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A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:11 pm

When the A380 goes into service it is meant to have heaps of room between seats and shops malls etc. What are SQ, QF and so on going to do with the 747s, they will still be used on the same routes as the A380 ie. SIN-LHR SYD-LAX wont they.

Will the airlines make the interior similar to the a380 or will they charge less for these seats? I know that if i was paying for a flight to LHR-SIN and was put on a 747 instead of an A380 i would be pretty Annoyed (if the seats were different
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:14 pm

BTW. do you think that United, ANZ will be looking at the A380 now that they know that QF has bought them and will use them on the LAX-SYD route. If not ANZ and United are going to get flogged.

Maybe SQ will get some A380s for ANZ if the deal goes through
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Tue Jul 17, 2001 10:23 pm

What are you talking about? The seats on the 380 will only be marginally wider (if at all). Most pax won't be able to tell the difference.
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Tue Jul 17, 2001 10:52 pm

hen the 747 was first introduced they had lounges, pianos, bars, etc on board. Soon though airlines realized they had to pay for them so you have todays seats. I seriously doubt those will last long, if at all, on board the 380s. As for UAL they are looking at replacing 747s with 777s cause they are too big, not with even bigger aircraft.
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 12:54 am

According to the Airbus website from awhile back, the seats may be a bit wider given the standard 10-abreast seating to be retained on the lower deck of the A380 and its wider cabin. So perhaps, you may get your own armrest. SQ has also commissioned a long range plan on aircraft interior design that looks at new designs for seats, so you may see some new innovations there. No malls on board, I'm afraid. The A380 is only 8 feet longer than the 744 and about 2.5 feet wider...that doesnt leave any room for a Macys or Neiman Marcus, but it does leave room for a seat that is 3 inches wider than the current coach 744 seats. Consider that a big plus given the sardine can environment we fly in nowadays.

Also, currently seats vary between airliners in terms of pitch, width, presence of PTVs, etc. For instance, if you're on an international UA 777 in coach, you will have a marginally wider seat than on a UA 744 - and you will have PTVs. This does not entitle you to a discount on the 744 flight on the same sector.
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:31 am

The cross section was designed around 18" seat width with 20" aisles. This makes the seats one inch (actually 3/4 inch) larger than 747...roughly the same size as 320 and 777 seats.
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:38 am

It might be designed for that, but that doesn't necessarily mean the airlines will go for that.

I expect seat pitches in Y class to be around the 36" - 38" mark while J Class will have beds and F, private cabins and showers (Yes Showers, Aquajets (Seattle based co.)).

I suppose it all depends on the airline and their yields.
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:41 am

It all depends on the airline, period.

Some 747 seats may be bigger than A380s and vice-versa, according to how many passengers the airline wants in each.
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 6:59 am

Jaysit,
You claim that A 380 is only 8 feet longer than a B747, well it depends which A380 you are talking about, I know that the longer version of the A380 is almost 10m (33feet) longer than than the B747 and I think this is the one that SIA has ordered, the A380-800.
 
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Bar And Lounge

Wed Jul 18, 2001 9:32 am

I think the bar and the lounge thing was a passing era. I remember some DC-8's with lounges in the front. and Continental had a DC-10 with a bar dead center of the plane.

Well in any event there just isn't a need for that anymore.  Sad
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 9:40 am

Airbus are only offering one version of the A380 at present - the standard -800 model, which stands at 239 ft.
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 9:57 am

The airliners wont have that kinda stuff, they wuill just try and put as many people on the a 380 as it can hold, so therefore there wouldnt be shops or lounges,.

have a nice day,

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Boeing 747-311

Wed Jul 18, 2001 10:02 am

Unless Bill gates buyes one Man can you imagine that? Ive read that some princes in the middle east had private 747 sp's

What a thought..................

 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 10:35 am

Singapore_Air,

Don't give us your crap about showers on board the aircraft. You have no sources for that, and it's not economically viable to waste space like that. Your post is BS.

You're caught up in your own dream world of how air travel should be like. Your post on your topic of SQ to receive the first 388 is an example. You said that the A380 WILL HAVE showers and other stuff.

YOU ARE DREAMING!

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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 11:16 am

I'm sure SQ will have their Y class at 10 across downstairs and 8 across upstairs--same as VS and QF.
I can't imagine them using something other than the 18" seat width with the standard aisle width (20"). Were talking about seat WIDTH...not PITCH.
Can't wait to see those showers (yeah, right!)
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 12:18 pm

You will tell no difference between a 744 and A388. Boeing 747-311 is right. airlines will stuff as many people onto those planes as they can. It really woulnt suprise me if the A380 is worse then the 747. and dont tell me im wrong about this because the seat it wider. it is less then a inch wider. big whoop. UAL will NOT order the A380. they will take order on more 777 and i would think they would by 777-300. When ( thats right i said WHEN not IF ) the SC comes out UAL will purchase and along with the rest of the US airlines and BA.
 
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Showers?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 12:28 pm

Showers?

It would be a bummer if you were washing your hair and the plane started to bounce and you were told to return to your seat with a wet soapy head.

Bummer.

 Yeah sure
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2001 2:07 pm

AA767boy is exactly right.

Also, Catpac, the A388 is 239 ft long, only 7 or so ft longer than a 747, not 33ft.
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 2:18 pm

I would say that the present 744s will still be used, but on shorter (medium) routes such as from Australia to Asia (which are usually 763s and 743, 742, 747SP).

If it costs more for the bars etc. to be added, most airlines will not do that.

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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 7:30 pm

Well, i am reading the Jan/Feb Australian Aviation and it says that QFs A380s are going to seat 524 passengers, Airbus's standard config seats 555. I wonder what QF is going to do with the space. The magazine says that the space will be used for expta space between seats.

That stuff about the showers might be true it says in here that QF are looking at puttin in showers, creches, or a small gym.

Ps. QF gets their A380 6 months after SIA.


Wonder when Bi gets thiers LOL Smile
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 7:44 pm

Depends on the airline, some would put seats on the roof if they could, some will use the space effectively......there will be more space in a 3 class layout, it's just a case of what the airlines decide to do with it......some may concentrate this space in one area, some may distribute it amongst seats......airlines like Corsair and JAL will simply jam the seats in..... in a single class layout....don't expect defined layouts for a number of years to come though.....

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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 8:09 pm

A passenger won't feel a difference. Each Airline will decide individually how many seats their A380 will have.
The same like with every other plane in the world.
Do you have the same space in a Iberia A340 like in a Singapore A340??
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 9:05 pm

The 555 seat config is based on the "traditional" First/ Business/ Economy Class seat pitch... ie First = 61 inches, Business = 38 inches and Economy = 34 inches.

So it is not surprising that SQ/QF would be having less seats on it, the real question is how much less. Their current seat pitch on a 744 is 83/50/34. (corrections welcomed)

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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Wed Jul 18, 2001 9:18 pm

If they don't want pax, they'll carry cargo.

Anything but to send money down the drain with a shower...(excuse the pun)

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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Thu Jul 19, 2001 12:45 am

Shops, Lounges, fitness centers, Its all a load of crap from Airbus to get attention and sell the airplane. Its all about the number of seats you can fit in the plane.
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Thu Jul 19, 2001 12:47 am

One other thing. If i owned an airline you can bet that the seats fron the 380 will fit in my 747 or visa versa!
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Thu Jul 19, 2001 1:28 am

Virgin Atlantic is the only airline today that operates a bar onboard. Although small, and very orchestrated (unlike a real bar) it is nevertheless space for passengers to stretch and relax. If Virgin gets a 380 I am sure they will give it the same treatment, but I agree - there will be no shopping malls or personal bathrooms.
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:04 am

What some of you are overlooking is the fact that the A380 will be more economical than and use less fuel than the 747-400, therefore airlines can afford to give up seat space for luxuries such as bars.

However, I would say that there will be little difference for the economy class passenger. It will be the Business and First class passenger that notices an improvement in the quality of their flight.

John
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:43 am

Be a bummer if you spent all that money to but a bar on a widebody and you wind up having a two drink minimum imposed.
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Thu Jul 19, 2001 9:38 am

It's logic, people.

Let's take QF. They ordered 6 B747-400LR's at the same time as they ordered 12 A380-800's. For reasons discussed ad nauseam, the 744LR's will fly on the US routes. Now, they're due from about this time next year or so (or a bit later). When the A380 arrives, these 744LRs will only be about 4-5 years old (if that) and the current B747-400's in QF's fleet are only 11 years old at max, and they will be 16/17 (at the VERY MOST) when the A380-800 arrives.

The economics of the B747 will not change, if so, it'd deteriorate. Now, if the A380-800 offered lounges, showers and other gimmicks for the biz and first pax, why would ANY biz or first pax in their right mind choose to fly on the B747-400/-400LR which WON'T offer this stuff??? It would mean the B747-400/-400LR will be empty in the front cabins and hence run unprofitably. The only way it would work would be to offer lower fares on the 744's and hence lower the profitabiility of the plane.

Can't you people who think that there'll be showers etc., see that for the sake of their older aircraft, the A380's will be configured in exactly the same way as the B747-400's, only with more pax?

In the future, maybe so, once the B747-400's etc. are retired and everyone is riding around on A380's. But definitely not in the first stage.

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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Thu Jul 19, 2001 11:15 am

Seem like some are envisioning a Marriot with wings. What else is the 380 supposed to have? Bellhops that stow your carry-on's for you? Massage tables? Swimming pools? Movie stars?

This topic is hilarious. You're killin' me.
 
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RE: A380 Seats Vs 747 Seats

Fri Jul 20, 2001 1:53 am

I'm really surprised at all the hype about on board spas and shopping arcades and what not that are supposedly going to be on board the upcoming Airbus A380. Similar things were said back in the late 60s and early 1970s on the eve of the introduction of the 747, DC-10, and L-1011. Back then the manufacturer’s PR departments were all abuzz about how much space there would be aboard for lounges, and all sorts of other amenities. Reality back then, as now was quite different, of course.

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