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spinkid
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Why No JeBlue To Montreal

Sat Jul 21, 2001 11:40 am

I'm wondering why jetBlue doesn't go to Montreal or Toronto from JFK?
Actually, why are their no low-fares competing on these routes? These routes always seem extremely over priced and would seem to generate traffic to feed into jetBlue's Florida destinations.
Even on the west coast, I'm wondering why WN doesn't server YVR or West Jet serve U.S cities like Seattle, Portland, etc.
 
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Why No Jetblue To Montreal

Sat Jul 21, 2001 11:45 am

One of the reasons is that Discount Airlines have quick turnaround times. and with going crossborder it would slow them down going through customs. Im sure that people in here now of some other reasons. Also im sure if one Discount airline did do it you would see the rest of them follow.
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yhu
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RE: Why No Jetblue To Montreal

Sat Jul 21, 2001 12:19 pm

Fly_yhm has good points. Also, JetBlue have stated that there are a number of Montreal passengers using their Burlington, VT service. They were looking at that to see what type of demand they may have out of Montreal. However, I personally think that transborder service from airlines like JetBlue and Southwest would go against the airlines way of working. As Fly_yhu says, fast turn arounds are important. I believe crew may have to go through customs in Canada whether or not they are staying or not. Paying US airport fees in US Dollars for WestJet could be very costly as well.

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AC183
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RE: Why No Jetblue To Montreal

Sat Jul 21, 2001 12:34 pm

Canada3000 flies EWR-YYZ, and there's various other transborder routes on the low cost operators, but as a general rule airlines like Southwest, WestJet, JetBlue, etc prefer to expand domestically first, for many reasons:
-longer turnaround time
-customs fees, taxes, etc cost a greater % of a low-fare short-haul ticket, thus making it less attractive to consumers comparatively
-I believe there's higher navigation fees, as well
-possibly also some regulatory issues of flying to more countries, labour laws in more jurisdictions
-etc, etc, etc

Once they have exploited more of the domestic expansion opportunities, I'm sure we'll see some low-cost operators crossing the borders, but for the time being they're better off expanding domestically.
 
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RE: Why No Jetblue To Montreal

Sat Jul 21, 2001 12:46 pm

I don't want any foreign lowfare airlines flying in Canada. I respect others but my point is that if these airlines come into these routes, Air Canada, Canada 3000 and other Canadian airlines will suffer badly. Since I am sure these routes are dense capacity routes for these airlines and they earn good profit out of it.

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N202PA
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RE: Why No JeBlue To Montreal

Sat Jul 21, 2001 1:21 pm

There were rumors some months back that WestJet was interested in expanding from its Hamilton (YHM) base to some of the Northeast's larger destinations, such as New York, Washington, Pittsburgh, Boston, etc. Their CEO, however, stated that WestJet was more interested in the present in expanding domestically from Hamilton. Transborder routes were, as I recall, seen as more of a long-term interest.

Which is, pardon my french, a damn shame.

When you get an oligopoly on a particular route, such as many of the transborder runs, the inevitable result is oligopoly pricing practices. Case in point: I often fly DCA-YYZ because my girlfriend lives in Toronto. Air Canada is the only Canadian airline to run this route, as with most of the transborder runs. And only two other lines fly the route (Continental and American Eagle).

Their fare for an advance roundtrip? Over $375 R/T. I buy from a ticket discounter, and usually have gotten a more reasonable deal ($200 or less), but now am paying upwards of $300. For a flight that's of less than an hour duration. It's skyway robbery.

Now, look at what Southwest offers from Baltimore to Buffalo--a walk-up fare of $112, plus tax. For a ticket to Toronto, Air Canada would have wanted over $600! And Southwest is currently offering the flights roundtrip at an advance purchase rate of $92.

Now, I know that Buffalo does not equal Toronto--the markets are separated by a 1-2 hour drive. But you can't tell me that Air Canada is justified in charging $200+ more for a flight that lasts just a few minutes longer than that of Southwest. If they had competition from an airline such as jetBlue or Southwest or WestJet, they wouldn't get away with it. But since they don't have such competition, they do get away with it.

Want me to go through JFK? Hell, I'll do it. Want me to travel up to BWI? Sure, the train ride's pleasant and cheap. As long as you can get me a low fare, I'll be aboard. But since AC and the two American carriers on the route all basically have similar prices, I'm going to be paying through the nose for a good, long time.

The one thing that could really help Toronto passengers, however, is a cheap bus or van service from Toronto to the Buffalo Airport. This would allow TO travelers to connect with Southwest and jetBlue flights at BUF and avoid paying the overpriced fares of Air Canada. Wish only that someone would bring it to town.