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Will United Rise Again?

Wed Jul 25, 2001 2:26 pm

We all know that the root of all the turmoil at United Airlines was caused by the US Airways thing. Now that the chance of that ever happening is nil, do you think United's employees' morale will improve, and United will win its pre-"Summer of Hell" reputation back?

So, will this whole turbulent thing blow over?
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Wed Jul 25, 2001 2:46 pm

I disagree with your premise that US Airways was the "root" of all the turmoil at United. Labor issues between pilots, f/a's, mechanics, and management have caused more turmoil than anything. US was a costly mistake that took management's eye off fixing the problems at United when they should have. But I'm fairly certain they didn't cause all the problems.

That said, of course the airline will recover. The route structure is outstanding. Their alliance is the best in the world. They have a huge number of premium frequent flyers (that even after the summer from hell will come back). Unfortunately United has increased its cost structure quite a bit with the new labor deals. But I don't think this makes them any different than Delta, AA, US, NW, or any of the other majors.

There will probably be cuts in the near-term, but I wouldn't count United out at all.
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Wed Jul 25, 2001 3:20 pm

United will rise again, definetly.

If you look at history, you will notice the airlines are like celebrities. One moment they are at the top of their game....the next in the dumps. I think UAL will come back but it will take a good 3 years. CO at one time was the worst of the worst, look where they are now.

I think ultimately, after AA completes its merger w/ TWA we will see them become the next problem child of the industry as they try to orchestrate 3 hubs, all close together in a profitable and efficient manner.
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Wed Jul 25, 2001 8:27 pm

I certainly hope that UAL rises again. If they are going to, it is going to take time. However, I think the most significant thing they could do as a first step is put Goodwin out on his rear. His incompetence and lack of focus on the airline has gone a long way towards causing many of UALs problems. The things they are doing as "cost cutting" measures right now are certainly going to lose them more revenue than it will ever save them. Put someone in charge who understands the airline business, and they will begin their journey on the road to recovery.

Just my humble opinion, but I have a vested interest in their well being, and hope to see some action soon. If the USAirways merger is approved by congress, you have to wonder if the airline can survive it.
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Wed Jul 25, 2001 11:28 pm

If United rises again, it's not going to be for a LONG time. They lost $292 million last quarter and a USA Today article says that one Wall Street estimate has the airline losing $900 million this year.
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Wed Jul 25, 2001 11:46 pm

If you want to see UAL rise again throw out that incompetant management Goowin/Dutta. They are the most horrible thing to the industry since Lorenzo/Borman. They've pissed off more employees at UAL than Ichan did at TWA. All Goodwin had to do was sign the contract that UAL employees loved. The entire thing was organized and since the prevoius ceo stepped down all Goodwin had to do was to sign it. But no he wanted to stall and shelve it which caused the slowdown to take affect and when other airlines prospered last year UAL plumeted in their profits.
"FUIMUS"
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Thu Jul 26, 2001 1:34 am

I sure hope so... However, nothing is THAT simple. The bottom line is that UAL knows that getting its reputation back is far more important than becoming the Worlds Largest Airline again. It's main competition is itself until it's that airline it was a year and a half ago. UAL will always be considered THE leader in the industry, it will all depend on these next few months, where UAL could either START to bounce back, or fribble into a mess with an estimated $900 mil loss. We'll just have to see...

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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Thu Jul 26, 2001 2:21 am

it will come back and besides the deal isnt dead just yet.

I think it will occur in the end, especially since AA bought TWA without much fuss.

The plan was AA would have 25% market share and united 26%(this is after AA buys TWA and UAL bought US).

AA is bigger at the moment because its deal has passed first.

I think united will be ok, it may have a bumpy ride, however this is more due to the economic slowdown which causes a lot of problems for major carriers who rely on business customers flying with them to make larger profits.This is because economy passengers dont yield big profits for airlines, in fact first class pax and business class actually subsidise the fares.

united needs to retain businessmen, thats were the money lies, if it does that it will be ok and will come back stronger.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Tue Jul 31, 2001 8:01 am

Any other comments?

Bring U N I T E D back!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:41 am

Will the real United Airlines please stand up?
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:59 am

United will rise again. They are a good airline. I have flown with them and I had no problems except on United Express (UFS, Inc not in UAL's hands). But on AirWisconsin it was great.
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:30 am

With competent management, United will rise again to being a profitable company that delivers a good product at (hopefully) reasonable prices. United has amazing resources--hubs at great O & D airports with international traffic, new 777s and Airbus 319 and 320's, and a very well-managed high quality regional affiliate in ACA (though the others are good too--no TSA at United).

One development that will be IMO crucial to UA's future success is the approval of Daley's plan to reconfigure O'Hare. The current snowflake runway pattern is very inefficient; if Daley's proposed identical-to-efficiency-leader-DFW plan is approved, O'Hare could surge past Atlanta again.

If Goodwin has *any* brains, and that is a debatable assertion, he ought to work day and night to help Daley get that approved. That means he should play political hardball by threatening the NIMBY state gov't with taking thousands of jobs away from O'Hare and moving more traffic to Denver if O'Hare isn't reconfigured. UA has to think of itself, and play hardball to get this vital resource positioned for continued world leadership.

Jim
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Tue Jul 31, 2001 1:24 pm

I agree with DCA-ROCguy; If Goodwin can atleast get off his butt and grow a brain he will and should threaten Illinois to take away jobs to their hubs at IAD, DEN, SFO, etc. That should put more pressure on the legeslature and the governor.
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Tue Jul 31, 2001 1:27 pm

Its going to be helarious when either:

1) USAirways gets baught out by another airline other than UAL because they are so financially strained..

2) They get baught out by UAL becuae of the same reason and give the Justice Deptartment a big kiss and say, thank you very much a**holes.
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Tue Jul 31, 2001 1:32 pm

One can only hope that United rises again, although I dont think that the sun has completly set on the United empire.

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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Tue Jul 31, 2001 2:36 pm

UA can rise again with inspired management that addresses the real problems rather than smokescreening with false, inane slogans like " United rising". UA used to be one of my favorite airlines but no longer: it is clear that management is inept.
 
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RE: Will United Rise Again?

Tue Jul 31, 2001 4:03 pm

So ironic how people still feel the bitter sting of the 'Rising' campaign.

That campaign was established in 97 and shelved in 99, yet people still talk about it (mostly mocking it).

The one airline campaign that aimed at "honesty" to the consumer failed miserably because it was all promises and no delivery, and because it was pretentious.

While making the crucial point of how premium travellers are the bread and butter, R I S I N G was the first step of the segregation of elite flyers from 'normal' ones at United that has succeeded in driving off potential new customers.

You cannot say your airline is rising just because consumer complaints against it are! =)

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