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Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:29 am

I am a big fan of AA. I live near their HQ and DFW and have noticed that they don't fly one of their newest planes into DFW: the 737-800. This is a beautiful plane I think and was just wondering why they don't fly those into AA's biggest hub, DFW. I also know that they don't have any Airbus A300 here either, but I know they use them mainly at MIA for thier east coast and Carribean routes.
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:52 am

I can only speculate that the range of the -800, along with its relatively modern cabin amenities, make AA more competetive on long sectors such as transcons, and in the competetive NE markets. DFW is smack in the middle of AA's operations and probably can make do with the MD-80 for the time being. DFW is a major hub and when something 'sexy and new' is required for market image out of DFW, they can probably fill a 757. I'm sure that as they stock up on -800s, you'll see them. I agree, they're pretty in AA colors, especially the Retrojet.
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:55 am

I would echo the sentiment of CF-CPI.

Someone once told me that the day you see 738's showing up at DFW means the MD-80's will be on their way out as their days will be numbered.
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:07 am

I can tell you why none are there because I flew on them a week ago...A 737-800 in retro paint. They are all at ORD. My flight went from ord to sfo. What a wonderful aircraft...New and amazing cockpit.
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:15 am

I looked on A.net and there is one picture of an 738 in DFW... But you're right not too many there and this pic is of one that was just there in the 737/777 hanger at a open house...
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:20 am

They are all at ORD because AA cannot fly its 727's there anymore. The 727's have been replaced at ORD at least by the 737-800s.
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 3:09 am

I heard they will start ops in DFW once the DFW based 727s are on their way out.
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 3:58 am

There are plenty of 738s in MIA too.
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 4:06 am

Lot's of 738s in MIA too. They fly to, among other places, Maracaibo, Mexico City, Chicago, LaGuardia, San Juan, and San Jose.
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 4:39 am

I'll be flying an AA MD-80 from JFK to DFW in August. I was wondering why my flight was the ONLY daily scheduled MD-80 out of JFK for AA. Why don't they just make them all 737-800s? Now I know. . .thanks for the info.

Man, I thought that AA might put in an equipment change before I fly, guess not.

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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 4:41 am

There are quite a few 738s at BOS for AA as well.

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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 7:39 am

DIA- I think they put the MD-80 on the route because they aren't ready to introduce the 738 at DFW even though the gates have the 738 markings. American for some reason only has 2 or 3 flights on DFW-JFK, as most of their New York-Dallas/Ft.worth services go through LGA. At LGA, I have seen a few AA 738s.
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 7:50 am

As blink and others have mentioned, first the 738's are replacing the 727's which have been relegated to DFW & MIA. If you look at the OAG, most(not all) of the cities that are served with the remaining 727's have airports in industrial/warehouse/commercial areas. After the last 727 is gone, then my bet is the MD-80 will begin its slow retirement program. My best bet is though, since AA just lets some 738 delivery options expire that this process has a long way to go. I wouldn't expect to see any md-80's start leaving until 2004 or 5 at the earliest. Remember these are Douglas built aircraft. Northwest is still flying 9's from the late 60's! The Mad Dog will be around for a while to come!
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 8:01 am

I think the AA 737-800's are primarily being used flying in and out of airports where noise restrictions are a major issue. That's why AA 738's are very common sights at SFO, SJC, LAX and SNA, all airports with some of the most stringent noise control regulations in the USA.
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 8:35 am

The 737-800 is used on missions where:

A) There are payload restrictions for a S80 or S83.
B) Premium seat markets like ORD-LGA, ORD-SFO and ORD-SJC. The 738 has more first class seats than the S80 or S83.
C) Overwater missions like Miami Caribbean Latin America) since there are no overwater S80s in AA's fleet. There are, of course, 80 some limited overwater S80s, but these can not fly MCLA. This is why you see them deployed out of MIA as a replacement for 757 and 727 flying.
D) Missions out of SNA as the replacement for the MD90s that used the exemption slots gained from QQ. The 738 is now qualified to use the E slots at SNA.
E) Transcon flights like BDL-LAX.

Why do you not see a 737-800 at DFW right now? AA does not schedule them there as DFW does not have a crew base for the 737 and will not have one for awhile until more 737s come into the fleet. However, you will most likely see 737s scheduled at DFW around middle December. Deployment at DFW will be slow and only payload restrcited markets will be prime candidates for the 738. Additionally, MX will have to spool up to do MX at DFW. This will include training and the purchase and storage of parts.

Highliner is not correct when he says AA can not schedule 727s into ORD anymore. AA only choses not to schedule the 727 into ORD as MIA is the MX base. There is, however, no prohibition to schedule 727s. Just look at UA, they still fly plenty at ORD the last time I looked.

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Re: CannedSpam

Fri Jul 27, 2001 8:44 am

Yes, they are not RESTRICTED, but all the 727's are gone because of the noise sensitivity around ORD, if you lived here you would know that's a huge issue and the major reason residents are not supporting the expansion. And UA is quickly phasing out there 727's here as well. There are not PLENTY, they get harder to find every month. No other airline, with the possible exception of NW and MAYBE DL flies the 727 into here with any regularity anymore. Noise is that big of a deal around here. It's a shame but that's why there are so many 737-800s around here.
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 9:03 am

I only used the word restricted since you specifically said "They are all at ORD because AA cannot fly its 727's there anymore." To me that implies that they are restricted at ORD. However, don't get your feathers in a ruffle I wasn't attacking you at all. I was only making part of the discussion more clear and only referenced your name so that others would could find the statement I was refering to above.
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 9:22 am

Correct all of AA 737-800 are at ORD. I go to ORD alot and their always there....Just millions of them!
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 9:32 am

Actually they are split between MIA and ORD.....
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 9:51 am

In SJU we get a descent number of AA 737-800's
2 daily flights from MIA
1 daily flight from BDL
2 daily flights from IAD
1 daily flight from PHL
2 daily flights from TPA
At SJU we mainly see AA 757's and A300's and a few 727's.

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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:09 pm

I say its worth the wait if it means the 727's can stick around a while longer.
Blink-the reason why there is only one daily DFW run scheduled to JFK is that they have at least 10x daily flights on the DFW-LGA route. JFK really is not much of a connecting hub for them; most of the traffic is O&D. However, once the new terminal is completed, we might see maybe 3 more daily's, but the demand really isn't that high.
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:25 pm

I'll tell ya one thing, those AA 737-800 pilots really like to pull back on the stick when flying out of ORD. One AA pliot told me he loves the power of the 737-800 on take off...
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:26 pm

I've been seeing the 737-800 fly into Detroit DTW a lot lately. I think it has been replacing the 727s to MIA.
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:38 pm

I sure miss seeing the 727 at ORD with AA. I was up there visiting last December and not one did I see  Sad
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:02 pm

MIA has almost the same amount of daily 738's flights as ORD.From MIA AA uses them to
DEN(2x)
BDL
ORD(6x)
SJC
LGA(2x)
PHL
YUL
TPA(3x)
MCO(2x)
SJU(2x)
BWI
MEX(3x)
CUN(2x)
KIN(2x)
SJO
GUA(3x)
MGA
AUA
MAR
LRM
PTY(2x)
There maybe a few that I am missing. While I was in Miami last week I counted 11 of them at the gates.But for now MIA and ORD will get the lions share of the a/c for a while to come.
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Sat Jul 28, 2001 2:28 am

Man, how many cycles must those old AA 727's have? I'll gladly avoid them.
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Sat Jul 28, 2001 8:11 am

Sleekjet, I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to disagree with you. The Boeing 727 is one of the most beautiful bird mankind has ever built. I can understand your concern about safety but I'm against your idea and I'm going to explain why. You'd gladly avoid flying on a 727 because they have so many cycles, well to answer your query I don't know how many they have now. But having many more cycles than newer aircraf types doesn't mean the aircraft is unsafe. The 727 is a very safe aircraft, in its close to 40 years of operation, very few were involved in accidents, I think you have enough fingers to count them.
I would gladly fly on a 727 anytime while they are still around. You must understand that the 727's are on their way out, do you know that American will phase out its last 727 in two years and a half from now? Whenever I can fly on a 727, I do it. I do it because I know that it may be the last time in my life I fly on one. It's now or never (like Elvis Presley used to sing, remember?). If you can fly on a 727, DO IT. DO IT NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE !!! When I book a flight, I look if I can get a 727 regardless of the time. If I can fly on one, then I don't hesitate to do so.
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Sat Jul 28, 2001 8:28 am

You also asked why the A300 does not show up in DFW; AA uses the A300 primarily on its Caribbean routes out of JFK and MIA and also on some flights to London (but not for long - will be replaced by 767/777 on transatlantic services). They never went to DFW since there was not a great need there for the high-capcity A300; DFW is totally hub oriented with very frequent departures to many cities so its better to fly several MD80s between DFW and another city than one A300.

Someone above asked why almost all NYC departures to DFW are out of LGA/EWR and not JFK - simple, New Yorkers prefer close in LGA and sometimes very convenient EWR for domestic travel. Unless, of course, they are flying on JetBlue, when they do not mind going to JFK for a cheap fare!
 
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RE: Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?

Sat Jul 28, 2001 1:21 pm

DutchJet:Although eventually you may be right, AA has made no announcement that it will replace the A300's on any route as of this year.