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What Were The Major Airlines

Fri Jul 27, 2001 3:27 am

I am wondering what the major airlines were in 1985 in order from largest to smallest. For example currently it goes American, United, Delta, Northwest, Continental, US Airways, Southwest, America West, Alaska, ATA, Hawaiian... and so on.( A few months ago that order was a little different than it is now because of the American takeover of TWA.) But, as I stated previously, I would like to know the order it was in 1985. (I didnt follow aviation in the 80s.) I have searched for it in the search engine and I turned up nothing. All of your comments are very welcome!
 
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RE: What Were The Major Airlines

Fri Jul 27, 2001 3:54 am

My best, most educated guess is that U.S. airlines ranked in the following approximate order in 1985 in terms of passengers boarded. As you will note, several of the mega-mergers (RC/NW, PI/US, OZ/TW, WA/DL and PE/FL/NY/CO) had not yet taken place.

United
American
Delta
Republic
USAir
Eastern
Northwest
Piedmont
PeopleExpress
TWA
Western
Continental
Ozark
Southwest
Frontier
America West
New York Air
Alaska
 
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RE: What Were The Major Airlines

Fri Jul 27, 2001 4:06 am

Tango-Brano, were would Pan Am fit in there?
 
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RE: What Were The Major Airlines

Fri Jul 27, 2001 4:13 am

I doubt that UA would have been close to the largest airline in 1985. UA grew quite substantially as a result of Pan Am's demise in the early 1990s. They were almost entirely domestic before then, iirc.
 
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RE: What Were The Major Airlines

Fri Jul 27, 2001 5:46 pm

I think the top ten of this era were as followed (pre-megamergers):

1. American
2. United
3. TWA
4. PanAm
5. Delta
6. Northwest Orient
7. Continental
8. Eastern
9. Republic
10. Piedmont
 
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RE: What Were The Major Airlines

Sat Jul 28, 2001 8:29 am

Once United merged Capital (Capitol?) in 1961 they passed American to become #1 based on passenger-miles, and they retained that rank for most (perhaps all) of the next thirty years. That's #1 among US airlines, of course, which I assume meant #2 in the world.
 
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Whose Number 1 (in The World?)

Sat Jul 28, 2001 1:38 pm

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timz
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RE: What Were The Major Airlines

Sun Jul 29, 2001 8:21 am

Aeroflot was traditionally considered the largest airline, in USSR days-- is that just a guess, or did they publish their passenger-kilometers?
 
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RE: What Were The Major Airlines

Sun Jul 29, 2001 11:46 am

I would have to put the order this way.

1. American
2. Pan Am
3. United
4. TWA
5. Delta
6. Eastern
7. Northwest Orient
8. USAir
9. Republic
10. Continental
11. Braniff
12. Alaska (?)
13. Southwest (?)
 
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RE: What Were The Major Airlines

Sun Jul 29, 2001 1:46 pm

Was southwest around?
Come fly with US
 
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RE: What Were The Major Airlines

Sun Jul 29, 2001 6:20 pm

Misinformation ensues. What is it with you guys and your quest to destroy the truth?

When United absorbed Capitol, it became the largest airline in the Western World, regardless of the fact that it was purely a domestic carrier, and has been ever since - all the way until American absorbed TWA.

Aeroflot is no longer the biggest as it was broken up after the Wall fell.

And when will you guys realize that PanAm wasn't that big, just a figure-head?

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RE: What Were The Major Airlines

Mon Jul 30, 2001 11:15 am

Giga-passenger-miles in 1985 (probably scheduled-service only):

AA 44.1
UA 41.5
EA 33.1
TW 32.1
DL 30.1
PA 27.1
NW 22.3
CO 16.4
PE 11.0
RC 10.7
WA 10.4
AL 9.7
PI 8.2
WN 5.3
FL 4.4
WO 4.2
PS 3.5
OZ 3.0
AS 2.3
HP 2.3
BN 2.2
OC 1.8
ML 1.6
NY 1.4
MC 1.1
SI 1.0

It seems UA had a 29-day strike in 1985; in 1984 their GPMs were 46.0 while AA's were 36.7. But AA also exceeded UA in 1989 and two or three years in the 1990s.