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Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 5:35 am

Hi, I have 2 questions where id like to know the answers to.

1) What do you think is the most unsafe airline? Eg - the one with the most crashes. I don't think you can have the most safe airline - so I will leave that out unless you have any suggestions?

2) Has anyone ever had any bad experiences while flying? - Had to do an emergency landing - aborted take off etc?

Let me know,

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SInGAPORE_AIR
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 5:49 am

I don't think you can base a "safe" airline just on the number of crashes. But if I had to pick one straight from the air, Korean Air on fact comes to mind (although some may argue they have good inflight service), and Cubabna, solely because of it's horrible reputation. I'm not sure if they have crashed though

No, I have not been involved in emergencies.
Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
 
watewate
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 6:25 am

Korean Air and the word 'safety' don't seem to go hand-in-hand in most A.net users' minds. Despite having one of the youngest fleets of the region, KE seems to grace the headlines of major media outlets just as people forget about their past deeds. There are reports floating on the net criticizing KE's static pilot training and hostile cockpit culture- go read up on if you're interested.
Nevertheless, KE's recent efforts to overhaul its problems with men from abroad (ex Delta, US Air folks) bodes well for its future.
 
Guest

RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 6:27 am

Korean Air would seem to be the most unsafe based on their dodgy safety record, although there are a few eastern european airlines which, from experience, i can say are really unsafe.

As for experiencies, i was on a Virgin A340 G-VSKY (?) that landed at Heathrow in 1997 with the left main gear still up. I was sat near the back, and i had to help the f/a open door 4R after we landed. The door assist system had aparantly failed, and because we were pushing the door up-hill, it was very heavy. And, by the way, the escape slides are fun!

I was also on the bmi A321 that was involded with an airprox with a BA 744 at Heathrow in april 2000. I actually didn't realise i was on the A321 involved in the incident until the AAIB (like the NTSB) pusblised their report and the dates and times matched my flight. Scary.
 
Guest

RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 9:54 am

Pakistan International Airlines and Nepal's airlines come to mind when saying unsafe. Pakistan Intl. have been having too many incidents (one or two major one, the rest minors) lately while Nepal's airlines fly extremely dangerous, mind blowing destinations e.g. The notorious Lukla Air Strip. Man, that runway is slopped at an angle of more than 10 degress and is built on a mountain at about 10,000 feet. If the plane fails to take off, it will go spiralling down the valley. Look up Nepal in airliners.net database.

Once, in Saudi Airlines Airbus, we had to aboart the takeoff.
 
chepos
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 10:05 am

Cubana dosen't have a very good reputation and yes Singapore_Air they have crashed and numerous times. The worst experience I can think off onboard an aircraft was on a AA A300 flying from MCO-SJU when the pilot announced that there was a storm in SJU and we had to divet to STX. Accompanied with this statement he mentioned that we were running out of fuel, everyone on the plane freaked out . Then there was this other time onboard an AA 727-200 flying from SJU-MCO were the wing got hit by a lightning.
Chepos
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Guest

RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 10:05 am

Well I've never flown them, but I've heard bad things about China Airlines being unsafe.

No, I've never had a bad experience with a plane and I hope and pray to God that I don't when I fly to New Orleans next month.
 
Ironminds
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 10:08 am

I flew Cubana once NAS-Havana-NAS; we made it, but I never felt so un-confident about getting on a plane. The entire interior felt like it was held together with duct tape!
 
L-1011-500
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 11:17 am

I would have to say airlines like Nigeria Airways and Air Afrique are up there in terms of maitenance policies. Korean Air is up there as well...they need some help.

As for me, I had a really freaky aborted landing with severe turbulence coming into PHX with HP a couple years back on an A320. Afterwards, the F/A said it was some of the worst turbulence she had ever seen. The pilot actually landed the plane with passengers in the lavatory vomiting. Airsickness bags were a common sight. Gross. Adding to that, I had 5 minutes to make my connection to MKE and I remember the joy of hearing final boarding for my flight as I ran through the terminal. I made it, right as the gate agent was finishing up; there was no one else at the gate. Good old HP....

L-1011-500
 
blink182
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 11:21 am

I agree with the above about KAL. Lately, I haven't seen Korean Air in the news so they could be improving.

I have had a few dangerous experiences. About 2-3 years ago we aborted takeoff at LGW due to an engine fire hose problem, I am not sure which engine this was, as it was an MD-11 I was on. We had not started our takeoff roll as we were still #3 or #4 in line. Several years ago we were coming in from DEN when there was severe weather around DFW and we were forced to circle Whichita Falls for about 30-45 min and it was pretty scary. Our pilot barely got us in to DFW as we were running out of fuel. I think the airport might have closed for about 30 minutes because in the back of the economy section(where we were) we were all joking around and singing a lambchop song! I also got to visit the cockpit too!
rgds,
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SQ325
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 11:27 am

Unsafe Airlines in my oppinion are a lot airlines serving domestic routes in the ex-UDSSR and some african airlines. We only hear about crashs there if there are any pax from other countrys on board. Really don't want to know whats going on in some of these republics.

second point: Yes, I had an accident, but not in a Airliner, it was in a C172 during flight training in the USA.
I was in approach on St.Petersurgh int. wind was about 25 knots gusts up to 35 kn, after touchdown I got wind under the right wing, and so i drifted of the runway.
Godbless nothing damaged, I was OK, but I tell you, that's what I call an extraordinary experience!
 
Jetblast25
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:15 pm

I fly alot in the former USSR/Central Asia and the national carriers, like Tajikistan Air, Kyrgyz and Turkmenistan (domestic) mainly use Yak-40's which, while they don't have a bad performance record (at least we're rarely told of incidents), don't exactly inspire confidence. On the other hand, Turkmenistan is replacing their Yak-40 fleet with 717's sometime later this year. Should that make me more comfortable? At least these pilots know how to fly and maintain the local equipment.

I must admit, I've never had a bad exp on any of these carriers. Although one time Uzbek Air BKK->TAS had oversold the flight and loaded the excess pax, about 10 Thai locals, into 1st class, 2 to a seat!
 
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Ariana727ADV

Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:33 pm

I'd like to learn more about the Lukla Air Strip you mentioned. How long is it?, what kind of aircraft are used?
 
us330
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:16 pm

I have read about it in a magazine. The plane lands going uphill and takes off downhill. I believe that Royal Nepal Airways exclusively uses the Twin Otter to Lukla.
 
Guest

RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:19 pm

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES is by far the SAFEST airline in the U.S of A
 
Guest

RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:36 pm

Southeast Airlines is unsafe. They were shutdown I hear so they could be inspected. Dont fly with those idiots.

Southwest is the safest, but not my favorite.
 
aussie_
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:47 pm

I had an aborted takeoff on an OA 737-200 flight from IST-ATH.

I don't know about their record but OA didn't feel safe at all on any of the 4 flights I have had on them (732s and A300s)
 
Guest

RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:56 pm

Was the aborted take-off a mistake by HP? I'm tired of people judging an airline by "severe turbulence" or bad weather...that's out of their control! It's just ignorance.
 
airafrique
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:59 pm

L-1011-500 said:

"I would have to say airlines like Nigeria Airways and Air Afrique are up there in terms of maitenance policies. Korean Air is up there as well...they need some help. "


For your information L-1011-500 that the Air Afrique Technical support who take care of Air France planes in Dakar Senegal.
Saying air afrique does not have a good maintenance policy is a not true.



We have the best pilote and mechanical plane in the world. You must have a master degree in science to work at Air Afrique.

And the selection is very very difficult.

 
Guest

RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:05 pm

Some of that may be true Airafrique, but Air Afrique does NOT have a good reputation and mostly airlines EARN their bad reputation. And saying that Air Afrique is the one who maintains AF planes in Dakar, Senegal doesn't surprise me! But I suppose one can't be so particular with commerce in West Africa. No offence, but I worked our FRA-FIH-ACC route and I thought I could not get out of there fast enough and told my supervisor that I would quit before I would do another route there! So, I work Germany-N.American routes, thank goodness!
 
saxman66
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:22 pm

Its hard to mention an unsafe airline, but I did see a show the other day on the History Channel that showed each continents airline safety record. Among the bottom was Africa, and East Asia I believe. In the middle came Eastern Europe, South America and the rest of Asia, In the top came airlines in North America, Australia, Western Europe, and the Middle East. It also happen to mention Qantas as the "safest" airline becuase it has not had a single crash. I might have gotten some of the continents mixed up as I do not remember exactly.
saxman
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airafrique
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 3:43 pm

BHopsde we are talking about safety. And Air Afrique has a Very good safety Record.( Did you ever have a new of a Air Afrique plane crash? )

You travelled to Accra. Ghana is not member of Air Afrique.

Air Afrique may have a bad reputation in flight arriving late of flight cancelation.

But we are a Safe company.

and for your information Air Afrique has two maintenance center:

Dakar rated A by FAAA
Abidjan rated B by FAAA


 
DatamanA340
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 4:47 pm

Korean Air with the youngest fleet and bad safety record... No surprise.

Korean Air never throws a brand-new planes like B747-400 or A330. Only one exception was MD-11F crash at Shanghai.

Korean Air got help from Skyteam members and hired ex-Delta expert. What will it do?
 
OO-AOG
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 8:28 pm

Dataman, actually KAL had a 747-400 written off.

Falcon....like a limo but with wings
 
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Fri Jul 27, 2001 8:46 pm

Koren air and the word safety look as comfortable as hitler and stalin sitting next to each other!!!

gulf air is another that springs to mind as being unsafe.

I must make a point about Africa and aviation for I see a very large dose of bias from an airliners member.
Africa is an unsafe place to fly planes, the reason is because a lot of african countries(especially around eithopia(sp)) do not have ATC.

Also in africa, as confirmed by a BCC investigation broadcasted on monday in the UK many airlines simply have to transmit their data on frequencies and hope other airlines are listerning.

The problem is that airlines operate different frequencies so it is a real stab in the dark to naviagte across sections of africa.

So until each country has a decent level of ATC service and coverage, im afraid that africa will be regarded as not the safest place to fly a bird.

Ps you may have a 'high' education requirement, most major airlines do, that doesnt mean to say you are the safest airline in the world.a master degree isnt the best, a lot of airlines have staff working for them who have two degrees.

It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
 
airafrique
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sat Jul 28, 2001 1:04 am

Africa is a continent with more than 47 countries.
It is not because few country does not have ATC it makes the whole continent as a dangereous place to fly.

Sick of somebady who have a bad experience in Africa and quote the whole continent as bad.
 Sad

Is it Europe a dangereous place to be because of the war in bosnia , yugoslavia ?


 
VirginA340
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sat Jul 28, 2001 1:22 am

The old PAN AM comes to mind. The management that consisted of Tom Plasket and Martin Shugrue were cutting corners on security two years proir to PA 103. I knew a good friend who was on that flight. The airline's treatment to the families and giving compensation were abominable. Their standards were down the tubes. When the plane crashed not everyone who was on the plane was listed on the PAX manufast!!! PA had waivers from the FAA to skip hand searches on unaccompanied bags on flights orginating from Europe. The security dogs they had at JFK were show dogs bought from a local kennel. They can smell hamburgers in your bag but not if you have a bomb inside. PA also lied to the public about the $5 fee that they tacked on every 1 way 1st class ticket going to pay for security. The money went to bankruptcy coffers.

Martin Shugrue lied about the waivers. But when pressed with the issue he then claimed it was a verbal agreement with the FAA. They were also well aware of the Helsinki warning but did not warn their crew or the pax of PA 103. The FAA did nothing. As far as I'm concerned good ridance to bad rubbish. PAN AM screwed over the families now they got what they deserved by going out of business. I wactually wanted the management ot to to jail for 1st degree manslaughter but I' guess I'll have to settle with PA beign guilty for the gross neglegence in the safety and security of those on PA 103 by a Federal Court in New York City

Eastern Airlines was another one. During the Lorezo era the IRS was auditing the airline. The FAA (Tombstone agency) strongly objected fo no reason. As the IRS probed further the discovered that EAL was cutting corners in maintinance. When a job was hlf or not done on a plane the supervisors would state "We don't have time for this repair" So they would sign it of as completed. The mangangement was convicted of tax fraud. I don't know on how long they served.
"FUIMUS"
 
milldoh
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sat Jul 28, 2001 1:30 am

well i saw the same show on tlc as someone mentioned earlier. there was a stat that you are 16 times more likely to die flying on an african airline than on a us airline.
 
VirginA340
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sat Jul 28, 2001 1:31 am

Forgot to add aother one TWA; Their treatment of Flt 800 families were no better than the the way PA treated us.

Another thing of PA was that they had assigned PA employees to represent us in the time of need. I was suspicious of them. It turns out that I was right along with other family members because the ones that did talk to the reps had thought that this was a private conversation when in fact the employees were scribling down notes and handing them to PA lawyers to look fo anything to give them less compensation. Another airline had don the samething. When a woman confided to one of these reps that her son was gay the rep took notes and handed them to the airline attorneys along with another rep who sent notes of a woman who confided to her that their marrage was on the rocks. The lawyers would argue in court that a divorce or since the gay man would not have kids the compensation should be less. The college students or the kids on the flight would be worth nothing so the lawyers would fight not to pay.
"FUIMUS"
 
Greg
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sat Jul 28, 2001 3:00 am

VirginA340...
Pan Am 103 happened when you were something like nine years old. I think you're perceptions are jaded my youth. You seem to be a fanatic about this.
 
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Cyka

Sat Jul 28, 2001 6:11 am

Hello there,

The Lukla Strip is basically located just a short hop away from Mount Everest and is used for carrying tourists to see Mt. Everest and for local people as well. A number of airlines (domestic ofcourse!!!) serve the airport. It is located at an altitude of more than or around 10,000 feet. It is titled (sloped) at an angle of more than 10 degrees. It is about 600 meters (not sure) in length. The aircrafts land going upwards the runway. If they don't stop in time, they will hit the mountain at the end of the raised runway. During take off, they apply full throttle and roll down the runway.

STOL aircrafts can reach this airport as well as helicopters. Aircrafts such as Doniers, Beech crafts, DHC 6 twin otter serve Lukla airstrip.

On the side towards which the aircraft take off, there isn't any fence so if the pilot fails to lift his bird off the dirt (gravel maybe) runway, he will go spiralling down the valley surrounded by peaks.

If you have FS2000, you can check it out, a scenery for Lukla was just made in FS98.
 
Greg
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sat Jul 28, 2001 6:14 am

No, it's just that you relate every post to PanAm 103. Man, get over it. Plenty of folks lost people a lot closer than some childhood pal. You make it sound like your entire family was wiped out (which some were...). I stating that I think you have your facts wrong here

Exactly what recourse could you possibly have if I used to work for Pan Am???
 
txagkuwait
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Man, What Hostility.....

Sat Jul 28, 2001 12:17 pm

VirginA340:

I know neither you nor Greg but I feel compelled to comment that your last post sticks out there as vaguely ridiculous.

You really ought to read your posts a little more carefully before you hit the "post" button. The grammar and use of the English language sort of ruins any credibility you might have.

As far as the number of respected users one has...well.....there are a lot of folks on here under the age of 18 and P.T. Barnum has been widely credited as saying "There's a sucker born every minute." I do not think having 200,000 respected users could possibly enable you to get someone banned.

In fact, if anything were to get someone banned I would think it might be your use of the word prick and a four letter word beginning with "f"(although you did insert an asterisk.) Some people, myself included, find that sort of thing distasteful.

Hope I did not aggravate you too much...but you really ought to watch yourself. To use another old cliche...a word to the wise is sufficient.


 
us330
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sat Jul 28, 2001 1:29 pm

No offense, VirginA340, but Greg never really insulted you in anyway whatsoever. He just said your perceptions may have been jaded by youth, which certainly could be true, or, on the other hand, not true at all. He never directly accused you of anything; only offered constructive criticism. You overreacted in this case. However, I am not saying that I am apathetic to you; I can't imagine losing a best friend, but you didn't have to react the way you did.
 
Guest

RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sat Jul 28, 2001 4:10 pm

Unsafe Airline - Aeroflot, *now before everyone jumps down my throught, i know that they have had a name change and all and there are were many airlines that crashed planes but it was blamesd on Aeroflot but i still wouldn't feel at ease in the air with them. Sorry but thats how i feel.


Bad Experiences -

Flying a SIA A310 from DRW - SIN through a tropical low that turned into a cyclone the next day, My way to work out how bad things are is to look at the F/As and see how they are coping. One of the F/As screamed - thats when i started getting scared.


SAS 767 - Flying from CPH - BKK (i think) Our hand luggage wasn't scanned, I wasn't very comfortable flying knowing that other peoples hand luggage wasn't scanned either - No meatal detectors either.

Royal Brunei 737 DRW - BWN ( a long time ago). Very Very hard landing. Couple of hand luggage things fell open.


>>Some of these sound silly but when your in the air it is pretty scary<<<
 
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sat Jul 28, 2001 4:32 pm

Ok, Airafrique...I did not say that Accra was in any other country than what it actually is! I am NOT saying that the African CONTINENT is the pit of the earth either. What I am saying, is simply, that the air space over the African CONTINENT is known for its lack of up-to-date safety measures of which are enjoyed in other parts of the world, this has factual information to back it up, and is not to say that it is not improving, but the resources are not there. I have nothing against someone from any African CONTINENT countries. I enjoy seeing the world, I enjoy the cultures and appreciate them. This is an industry-specific issue, NOT a prejudicial one. There are things in Europe and the U.S. that I don't agree with either!
 
srbmod
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sat Jul 28, 2001 4:50 pm

As a general rule, the airlines in North America and Western Europe can be considered the safest for several reasons. First off the regulations placed on airlines in these regions made it a little bit harder to skimp on mx and safety; I'm not saying that the mx standards at some airlines in these regions are perfect, without an adequate number of government inspectors to keep tabs on the airlines, mx issues will slip through the cracks, only to be revealed in the aftermath of a disaster. The public didn't know about mx shortcomings at both Alaska Air and Valujet until after each airline had a well publicized accident. And the mx problems at America West were also discovered in the wake of Alaska's crash. Nobody's mx department is perfect, because the longer a plane stays out of revenue service, the more pressure the mx depts begin to feel from management. In Asia and Oceania, the safety standards seem to be hit or miss, with one country's airlines considered very safe while some airlines safety is a crapshoot. As for Africa, South and Central America, Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, the majority of aircraft used by airlines in these regions are 25+ year old hand-me-downs, and these airlines don't have the funds the maintain a high mx standard. More and more of the airlines in these regions are upgrading to more modern aircraft types, examples Aeroflot, South African (although they always maintained a very high mx standard for the region), Avianca, Varig, Aerolineas Argentina, CSA, and Malev;and add to that many start up airlines are using aircraft less than 10 years old. Also in many cases, aviation infrastructure in many third world countries lags the western world by 20+ years, and even "safe" airlines have problems operating in these areas. And add to this the fact that many underdeveloped nations have become the dumping ground for antique, noisy, fuel hogging aircraft near the end of their lives creates the recipe for disaster
 
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sat Jul 28, 2001 5:01 pm

Exactly Srbmod, that's why LH has, in the past, made modifications to schedules, because of these reasons, once an area cannot support a safe operation of some kind, it creates too much of a liability, and that's not to be taken lightly, especially if your business prides itself on maintaining the highest safety standards.
 
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sun Jul 29, 2001 10:51 am

Since We Are Talking About Unsafe Airlines Anybody Know How AA,UL,DL, And Co Rate?
 
G-ELDG
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sun Jul 29, 2001 11:10 am

MANY SAY QANTAS ARE THE SAFEST AIRLINE AROUND AS THEY HAVE NEVER HAD A MAJOR INCIDENT. I WAS FLYING WITH MONARCH AIRLINES A FEW YEARS BACK FROM GLASGOW - DALAMAN. ON ARRIVAL THE AIRCRAFT G-MONF 757 - 200 FAILED TO LOWER ITS UNDERCARRIAGE THE MAIN LANDING GEAR STUCK AND WE HAD TO CIRCLE FOR 50MINS TO BURN OFF THE REMAINING FUEL. WE COULD SEE AIRPORT STAFF STARING UP AT US,AS THE ACTF MADE A FLY OVER FOR ENGINEERS TO ASSES THE PROBLEM. EVENTUALLY WE LANDED SAFELY WITH NO MAJOR PROBLEM BUT WE WERE BRIEFED FOR A FULL BLOWN EMERGENCY BY THE CREW. WAS A BIT SCARY TO SAY THE LEAST!!!


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Soku39
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sun Jul 29, 2001 11:12 am

actually a Qantas 747 ran off the runway and had it totally rebuilt at an expensive cost so they could say they never had to write off a plane.
The Ohio Player
 
Wasilenko
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sun Jul 29, 2001 11:19 am

Qantas also had one Lockheed L-1049 VH-EAC destroyed when it overran the runway in August 1960. Six people were injured.

Wasilenko
 
aa61hvy
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Sun Jul 29, 2001 3:49 pm

Air India
Go big or go home
 
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Mon Jul 30, 2001 3:09 pm

anything gotta do with airlines in India is questionable except they have good food and incense sticks and they have those funny red dots on their foreheads :-8
 
milemaster
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Mon Jul 30, 2001 3:41 pm

VirginA340 -

Let me just say this...

One of the two individuals you mentioned at PA happens to be my father... You need to watch what you say on this message board... A lot of people here are tied in the airline business (obviously) and can take offense to comments such as the ones you made. There were a lot of people at Pan Am, two individuals in PA mgmt did not make that horrible accident occur... If you're going to bash... Bash them all.

I'm sorry if you feel they should be in jail... But if you further researched the issue, you will find it was ultimately ruled to be an airport security contractor issue... So why don't you thrash them as well...
 
IndianGuy
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Mon Jul 30, 2001 4:19 pm

Incense sticks? inside an aircraft? Puhleeze!
Bhopsde: U sure have some WIERD ideas about India and indians. (read your other post about India). Snap out of this Hollywood-ish image about India asap!

I have been flying domestically for over 14 years now and have yet to see an incense stick inside the aircraft! In the departure lounge mebbe, but in the aircraft?

Secondly, AI has'nt had a accident for over 10 years now, and no fatalities since 1985 when it lost its 747-237B 'Emperor Kanishka' to a terrorist bomb over the Atlantic. So I dont think it qualifies as an unsafe airline.

 
VirginA340
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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Tue Jul 31, 2001 6:30 am

I know about the security contractor called Alert. That company was oversawn by PA management. Why don't you watch out on what you say. I hate that entire airline. Were you at JFK the night the plane went down? Were you at the funerals of our loved ones? The difference is that your dad and Shugrue bailed out with their golden parachutes. 270 people had no warning and don't try to dispute the facts about the fake guard dogs or the waivers remember what happened the last time that PA lied to the public. Your dad and the late Martin Shugrue may not have plated the bomb but your company could have prevented it if PA did not cut back on security. Remeber that 270 people are dead and families and friends lost big including mine. You take offense of me bashing the mangement. We'll I take offense of my best friend, his family and many other innocent men, women and children being murdered due to PA's failure to protect those on board. If you go to any of the victims families PA is still largely hated among them. I think you need to choose your words wisely.
"FUIMUS"
 
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America West

Tue Jul 31, 2001 6:42 am

Well, I'd have to say America West isn't the safest airline I've flown- they make some real crushers of landings when I flew into Ft. Lauderdale. I asked the flight crew afterwards, "Did we land or were we shot down?"  Nuts

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RE: Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........

Tue Jul 31, 2001 5:58 pm

VirginA340 -

I'm not here to argue or debate with you. I'm simply stating that your message was directed at two individuals, and that's not right. I'm not discrediting the court rulings either. It was a horrible event, and yes there were bad decisions made. This is an airliners.net issue simply as a courtesy to respect people involved. Slander is not a word I would choose to use, but respect the fact that there is another side to this as well. Your message can have the same effect/purpose without being so abrasive and disrespectful. These people are not forgotten, nor will they ever be. The world knows what happened & your specific message content is not an accurate representation of it.

Btw... I never took offense to you bashing management. There is a big difference when you specifically blame an individual rather than the department they represent. My only point.

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