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3 AA DC10 Questions

Thu Jun 17, 1999 6:12 am

I recently read that American has accelerated its DC10/727 retirement schedule, and that all 13 DC-10-10s and 5 DC-10-30s are to be retired by the end of next year. My questions are:
1.)What aircraft will replace the DC-10-30s on the HNL-DFW/ORD routes? The transcon services will likely be taken over by 767s, and I can see LAX/SFO-HNL routes switiching to either 757s or maybe even A300s, but there seems to be no type well suited to replace them on the longer routes.
2.) In the photo gallery, DC-10s were photographed at DEN. Why were they operating these flights?
3.) AA continues to utilize 5 DC-10-30s. I personally flew the -30s on HNL-DFW and HNL-ORD. I know that the airline uses -10s on the LAX/SFO-HNL runs. DFW and ORD together only have two or three flights/day to HNL. What else are these a.c used for?
 
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RE: 3 AA DC10 Questions

Thu Jun 17, 1999 6:18 am

Well to answer #2, if you were looking at my AA DC-10 pics from DEN (Chris Barrow), I believe that was because of the ski season. Those aircraft are no longer regular visitors to Denver Intl.
 
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RE: 3 AA DC10 Questions

Thu Jun 17, 1999 6:27 am

Question No. 1

I believe ORD-HNL and DFW-HNL will be taken over by 777's or MD-11's as more 777's enter the fleet. The 777 is designed to fill the DC-10's market, and would be a good replacement for the DC-10. I'm surprised United hasn't done so.

Question No. 3

American could be using them for flights to and from Hawaii to the mainland, although it's possible that they just stay in Honolulu afterwards. For example, I don't think Northwest uses its DC-10 from Detroit, once it reaches Honolulu.

These are just predictions, based on what I know about the industry and the planes. A possible source of info for definitive answers is the AMR corporate report, which might give you some information on company strategy regarding its fleet.
 
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RE: 3 AA DC10 Questions

Thu Jun 17, 1999 6:31 am

Based on a recent edition of Flagship News, American is going to reconfigure several 767's into two classes (they are all three class now). These are what will take over AA's HNL flights as DC-10s are retired. The article didn't specify whether they would be 200s or 300s, but 767s and 757s will be AAs equipment to Hawaii once the DC-10s are retired.
 
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RE: 3 AA DC10 Questions

Thu Jun 17, 1999 8:16 am

1. I imagine that the DC-10-30's on the HNL-DFW/ORD routes will be replaced with 767-300ER's.
2. I don't know why they did that. The only thing I can tell you is that if you saw an American DC-10 in Denver, that means it came from Dallas. But I don't think they'll do that anymore, that flight is now replaced with MD-80 or 757 equipment.
3. I don't think that the DC-10-30's are operated on flights other than HNL-DFW/ORD. From LAX to HNL, I think it's a 10, not a 30. All DC-10 transcon flights are 10's.
Beginning of this year, American had 18 DC-10's left: 13 10's and 5 30's. By the end of this year, they will have 9 DC-10's left: 4 10's and 5 30's. Those remaining DC-10's will be phased out during the year 2000, so they will all be gone in 2001.
I think that in six months from now, all transcon flights will be 767's.
The 727's will be gone in 2004.

Have a good night.

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RE: 3 AA DC10 Questions

Thu Jun 17, 1999 1:21 pm

AA 767, you are right about the transcon flights. Still, I wonder why AA doesn't just retire the extra -30s now. Also, AA just revised its retirement schedule. All of the 727s will be gone by late 2003.
 
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Series 30 - Better Payload/range?

Thu Jun 17, 1999 10:33 pm


Several of you have remarked that -30s appear on the DFW-HNL route, but not to LAX. Can someone comment on the payload/range issue for this route? Perhaps the -10 would be limited. Remember, they pack a lot of folks onto the Hawaii-configured DC-10s, and the Hawaiian islands rely on getting stuff shipped from the mainland (good cargo revenue?) and Dallas, while at sea level, can get pretty hot. Could you fill every nook and cranny of a series -10 and still make it without swimming the last few miles?
 
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RE: Series 30 - Better Payload/range?

Thu Jun 17, 1999 10:59 pm

It is not uncommon for DC-10-10's to be weight-restricted on the LAX-HNL run, let alone DFW-HNL. Flying a DC-10-10 DFW-HNL with a full load would result in passengers getting a little wet in the Pacific.
 
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RE: 3 AA DC10 Questions

Fri Jun 18, 1999 4:20 am

The 777 is not a good replacement for the DC-10
Thats what other airlines and Boeing firguered out is that the 777 is to big for the DC-10.
To much money to spend on also.
Thats why Boeing is going to build the 767-400. Just the right size, and much cheaper then the 777. The 77 that American has it the 777-223IGW, it is a long range airliner, so is the MD-11.
So don't see the MD-11 to replace the DC-10 routes. They send in the 767 with more frequency then before probably.
The 777 will replace the MD-11s, sadly.
How many more 767-323ER is American still waiting for delivery, if any?


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RE: 3 AA DC10 Questions

Fri Jun 18, 1999 4:24 am

Here are my answers:

1.) I agree with you that they probably will use the 757s, 767s and A300s on those routes, with even the possiblitly of them using the 777.
2.) Probably for the same routes mentioned abouve, or if there is a DEN-LHR/LGW route.
3.) Probably overseas routes, although I am not sure.

Jeff
 
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RE: 3 AA DC10 Questions

Fri Jun 18, 1999 5:00 am

Nope, no DEN-London routes
 
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RE: 3 AA DC10 Questions

Fri Jun 18, 1999 5:04 am

Question 1- Rumor has it that since Delta Airlines is turning down a number of their new 777s, American Airlines will take those orders. Since Delta had those planes prepared for 2 class service (instead of 3 like the other AA 777) it would make since that they would put those on the ORD-HNL and the DFW-HNL.

Question 3- AA uses the other DC-10s on their transcon service.
 
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Boeing 767-300ER

Fri Jun 18, 1999 8:57 am

Hi I'm Ben
Someone asked if American still had 767-300ER's on order. The answer is yes. American had, beginning of this year, 4 of them on order in addition to the 45 already delivered. The 4 that were on order are expected this year so by the end of this year, they will have 49 300ER's in addition to the 30 200/200ER's, which will give a fleet of 79 GE powered Boeing 767's at American. 38 more 300ER's are on option.
And who knows, maybe they'll order 400's.

Ben Soriano
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