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Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 2:41 am

I was in MOB a month ago and I saw an ASA-Delta flight attendant chewing bubble gum while greeting passengers. And she delayed the flight just to pour the coffee out on the ramp. What kind of behaviour is this? I am just curious. I asked a MESA F/A this question and she said MESA would fire people for that behaviour.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 3:34 am

the bubble gum part is not really unprofessional in my opinion. the pouring of the coffee on the ramp is extremely unprofessional!
 
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Surprising...

Mon Jul 30, 2001 3:42 am

That really surprised me! All of my flights with Delta have resulted in very nice flight crew, but that is just filthy.

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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 3:48 am

Surprising... and probably not true.

The bubble gum thing is debatable. But what flight attendant would dump coffee out on the ramp when he/she could just dump it in the drain right there in the galley.

Please. Just another Delta bashing post by Co LITE.
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 3:51 am

I'm afraid your job wouldn't last very long at all in Cathay if you did either of those things!
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 4:01 am

One thing about the coffee folks :
The drain would have the same effect, at least on any Airbus aircraft, as it is dumped directly overboard. The only place would be the toilet, which leads to the waste container, or a liquid container, which is offloaded by catering on the next stop. The subject surfaces in our company from time to time, because many F/A's don't know that all the sinks are dumped overboard. Even inflight it creates the problem of coffee-brown aircraft bellys.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 4:09 am

Coffee on the ramp isn't as bad as you all think it is. It happens quite often, but I do agree that in front of the passengers is bad judgement.
Before the EPA stepped in, all of the jet fuel that was inside the engine cowling but not combusted, was drained onto the ramp. Glycol based anti-ice agents are hosed everywhere and leave an awfull mess. I think coffee is ok.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 5:00 am

DeltaSFO,
I took a photograph of this, and its quite a thriller. The F/A delayed the flight just to go walk down the airstairs and dump the stale coffee. I also saw a bottle of Delta water laying on the ramp under the jetway.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism RE Rlwynn

Mon Jul 30, 2001 5:08 am

The coffee incident is harmless, wouldn't do it myself. The incident on the flight you mentioned involving HNL was a lack of tact on the part of that f/a. However I also question your professionalism and tact based on your choice of adjective. And I'm not impressed either by the name of the person who respects you in this forum.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 5:26 am

Lack of tact? Get real. Try unprofessional to the highest degree if most of the suuounding pax were laughing at the situation. even the female fa were trying to make excuses for the fool.
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 5:29 am

Rlwynn: What the hell has the FA's sexual orientation got to do with it?
I wonder if you'd be making that kind of posting if an attractive female FA had hit upon you.
Grow up and learn to tolerate.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 5:41 am

RLWYNN, sounds like you are homophobic. and has nothing to do with the topic.
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Toady

Mon Jul 30, 2001 5:44 am

Learn to tolerate????

ANY F/a has no business hitting on others, there job is for the saftey of the pax and that is all. If they want to hit on each other than they need to quit their jobs.
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 5:48 am

I do tolerate. Every day. People seem to forget what tolerate means these days. The word tolerance seems to have been replaced with the word accept.

Tolerate: To endure or put up with.

Tolerance: Sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with ones own.

If I was hit on by a cute female fa while sitting there with my wedding ring on, it would also show the utmost in unprofessionalism. Although I would be flattered. But that is not the point.

If prople want to be that way then they have to be ready for public opinion. Even if they do not like it.

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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 5:57 am

I know this a touchy subject around here. I apologize if I offended any of you with my strong choice of wording. But every body does have a choice and if one group of people have to tolerate then so does the other.
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:02 am

Whoa there! I didn't say it was RIGHT, did I?
As I asked before: "What the hell has the FA's sexual orientation got to do with it?"
Do you care to answer?
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:19 am

Sure I will answer. But now we are moving way off topic. Unlike before where the subject was unprofessionalism you want to attempt to flush out an argument on a totally different subject. I wont do that.

But, the reason for the strong words were because of the absolutely lack of restraint shown by the person. I was in the back row of the DC-10 and was clueless to the situation untill I overheard the person in question absolutely giddy describing the "cute" guy a few rows up to a female fa. Big Deal. For the next 3 hours I has to listen to this gut debate if he should approach the guy. This guy was non stop talking so every peorson around us was totally aware of what was happening. Somehow I guess they made the connection because at one point the fa Stood in the aisle talking with this guy for 20 minutes beaming like he just got his first kiss. Since the plane was continuing on to Detroit they very publicly exchanged addresses with assurances that they would hook up the next week. During oj service a pax made a comment to the female fa and her reply was "He is persistent when he wants something". She was clearly embarassed by his actions.
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DeltaSFO

Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:26 am

LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC HERE...

DeltaSFO, You work for Delta, What is your explanation, Do you chew your gum everytime you poor coffee out on the stairs. I bet that stain still sits in MOB. Why don't you fly down here and you will see the stain sitting there on the tarmac at Gate A1 in MOB... LOL Total Unprofessionalism, I've seen better Airtran/Valujet Employees than this. Not even WN Flight Attendants do this crap.

This is what I think of Delta/ASA's Total Unprofessionalism

This is what I think of DeltaSFO's opinion
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:38 am

Rlwynn: Good! Now we agree; that is not professional behaviour. Neither is chewing bubble gum.

I was not trying to flush out an argument on a different topic - YOU mentioned sexuality and I wondered what that had to do with professionalism.



 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:42 am

You are right throwing the coffee out was not unprofessional.
And you are right I did mention the sex of the person involed.
I also used a derogitory term to describe the person who annoyed me for hours.
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 7:45 am

Your post makes me think of while I was waiting at the airport to board a flight recently. I was watching a Delta plane get ready to leave, and one pilot was stuffing his face with food. I know he's got to eat, but I just thought it was funny.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:12 am

"What is more unprofessional. Pouring coffee on the ramp or a homo fa hitting on passengers like my NW hnl-lax flight a couple of months ago."

BWAHAHAHAHA! Call me homophobic if you want to but I would feel very uncomfortable if something like that happened to me!

 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:30 am

Only on A.net can a discussion about spilt coffee on the tarmac can seque into something gay-oriented.. oh well, just an observation... Back to the coffee and question for F/A's ... unless I dreamed this I swear my friend who flies for NW told me once that coffee down the galley drain is a no-no? I don't see the harm but can anyone verify...

IMHO.. the gum chewing is definately not a good show but I'll take that over some other behaviors I have seen (everyone has bad and/or less glamourous days)  Insane



p.s. it wasn't an INTERNATIONAL COFFEE was it?
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:35 am

Whistler: Hey, that's not homophobic; I too would feel uncomfortable but discomfort and homophobia are 2 different things.

I guess the line between professional and unprofessional behaviour is a fine one for anyone (not just FAs).
We all know that on longer flights there are long periods of inactivity - no food being served, everyone already has a drink, they're watching the IFE, they're sleeping or whatever. During those times, I see nothing wrong with FAs fratenizing with passengers or even flirting with them - if it's done tastefully and to appropriate people.
Also, I guess that's one person's idea of professionalism is not another's: I think it's professional to be light-hearted and informal because light-hearted and informal FAs make my flight more enjoyable. I'm sure there are those who think that FAs should be more straight-laced.

Whatever, I still think chewing bubblegum is not good!  Smile
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:35 am

TeXstud323-

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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:36 am

NO ONE should hit on another person while at work PERIOD. That would be unprofessional no matter what. But more happens behind the scenes than what meets the eye. People just tend to not think about it until they see it. I would NOT want to be hit on while at work either. If one of my crew did, I would pull them aside and talk to them to stop.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 9:53 am

Rlwyn says:

"""What is more unprofessional. Pouring coffee on the ramp or a homo fa hitting on passengers like my NW hnl-lax flight a couple of months ago."""

MB says:

"""What is more unprofessional. Pouring coffee on the ramp or a hetero fa hitting on passengers like my NW hnl-lax flight a couple of months ago."""

OMG! A hetero hitting on passengers. Who ever heard of such a thing?

Rlwyn,

Try to have a bit more tact mate.

mb



 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 10:00 am

People,
Lets get this post back on track. All I wanted is opinions.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 10:03 am

So the "masculinity challemged"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy F/A was hitting on your friends, huh?

They should feel lucky. It's when a gay man doesn't hit on you that you might need to loose some weight. Or the mullet.

Just a thought....

(BTW I'd love to see the look on the guy's face when someone tells him the "homo" is actually flying the aircraft ,too. Not all gay men aboard your average Boeing or Airbus every day are serving the soft drinks. Trust me. I know gay men who drive everything from Dornier Jets to Triple-Sevens )
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 10:19 am

You make it sound like the flight was delayed hours because of this. Please. It was probably not more than a 5 minute delay if that. I have seen much more unprofessional behavior many times. Talking about the pilot or company issues when other passengers can hear them, swearing constantly, and throwing things at passengers are some much more unprofessional things I have seen. The bubble gum is not an issue and you can get over a little coffee.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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Billy Carter Once Poured Beer On The Ramp...

Mon Jul 30, 2001 10:22 am

It took a detour through his bladder first... Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 10:51 am

Too much of a big deal is being made out of this. I hardly doubt that she delayed the flight 15 minutes (15 minutes is what is constidered a delay) by doing that.

And the whole thing about the chewing gum is even more crazy! Please, some people consider bad breath offensive; wouldn't you want to be near a person with good breath?
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 10:52 am

I wanna see the pic! Big grin

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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 11:31 am

Gum during the Safety Demo is not funny, period. I have had nasty experiences with ASA.

Hello, American Eagle
 
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CO Lite: The ASA Pic

Mon Jul 30, 2001 12:33 pm

You heard him CO Lite, Let him see the picture where the F/As Coffee stain is all over the Tarmac. LOL

 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 12:41 pm

Critter,
I'll have to get it scanned here in this post so those Delta lovers can see, LOL. I hate ASA.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 12:43 pm

Once again...another Delta Bashing post by all the Anal-Retentive Assholes out there........
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 2:25 pm

>>>I was in MOB a month ago and I saw an ASA-Delta flight attendant chewing bubble gum while greeting passengers. And she delayed the flight just to pour the coffee out on the ramp. What kind of behaviour is this? I am just curious. I asked a MESA F/A this question and she said MESA would fire people for that behaviour.<<<

Gum chewing is certainly unprofessional, but dumping coffee out the door on to the ramp is quite common. It should never be poured down galley drains for several reasons. One, it'll gum up the drain lines, two, it would take many, many minutes longer than just tossing it out on the ramp, and finally, no one working on the ramp wants to be scalded by hot coffee coming unexpectedly out the drain mast. I'm not sure what ASA is flying to MOB these days, but the E120s and ATR72s rarely have galley drains that work anyway.


 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 2:36 pm

COLite's "Hello American Eagle" Well, what are you going to do once you find something "wrong" with every airline, then who will you fly? I would rather have good breath with a mint or gum than have someone walk up to me with hound breath! Every company around the globe has something that someone will find "wrong" with it.  Insane
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 4:43 pm

Having been a ramper for both AirTran and ASA, I have seen the flight attendants at both airlines dump coffee from the aircraft onto the ramp, and have also seen them dump ice water from the ice buckets, and even worse, throw trash bags onto the ramp from the aircraft. Is this unprofessional? In my opinion, no, it's just a way to speed up turnaround time; but to delay a flight just to dump a coffepot, yes, and if I was the captain of that flight, I would have talked with the f/a after the flight about the incident. Chewing gum in a position that involves public contact is a huge no-no, you are representing the company to the customers, the frontline personnel (flight crews, gate agents, ticketing agents) are essentially the face of the company, anybody that the general public sees doing their job is up for scrutiny by the customer, so when in public view, one must maintain a professional image. Why don't we bash the lav driver while we're at it folks? Does spilling the lav contents on the ramp make one unprofessional? No, it just makes you a pollutor. As for flight attendants hitting on pax, flight attendants are a little bit like servers (using the p.c. term) servers at a resturant. How often has the server at a resturant called you sweetie, or hon, or darling? Flirting is part serving the public, but taking it too far, is another area indeed.


P.S.: Critter592, loved the Itchy and Scratchy bit!
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Mon Jul 30, 2001 11:49 pm

I have seen alot of U.S flight attendants chew gum, u make it sound as if she was BLOWING BUBBLES. As for dumping coffee on the ramp, that I do not believe, she could of easily dumped it down the toilet in the lav if the sink was clogged or something.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Tue Jul 31, 2001 12:00 am

They use CRJ's in MOB.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Tue Jul 31, 2001 12:03 am

SrbMod, That does remind me when I saw a Southeast Airlines Mechanic just toss the trashbag out the galley hatch. BOMBS AWAY. BOOMP. I wished it would have hit the ramp supervisor on the head. That is unprofessional. jetBlue is cool. and I have a picture of when delta even threw the trash on the ramp. It is just sitting there waiting to be blown away by jetblast.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Tue Jul 31, 2001 12:05 am

The reason I dont like ASA is because they start too much trouble. During check-in someone dropped their ticket and the agent said "I dont have time for this S***). Another time ASA lost two pax to AirTran because of total rudeness. We assisted in directing them to AirTran. ASA's ATR72 is an absoulte filth. I dont know about you, but I am sick of DL. Every single DL station I have unfort had to go to, the agents were cocky. If they want to be rude to me, I am simply rude back. Its funny how I never run into this on AirTran or other carriers.
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Tue Jul 31, 2001 12:07 am

PREACH ON CO Lite
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Tue Jul 31, 2001 1:19 am

Um, most regional airlines dump the coffee on the ramp.

I was watching Delta work my L1011 flight ATL-PBI and the ramp service workers did the same... saw them dumping water and coffee onto the ramp...

so should they be fired for this?

If I could drink coffee (religion doesn't allow me), then I think i'd much rather have fresh coffee versus stale coffee!
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Tue Jul 31, 2001 2:38 am

so this is how Starbucks got started and why their coffee tastes so bitter.. their humble beginnings find Mr. Starbuck, then a ramper for Pacific Northern Airlines, diligently scraping the tarmac at SEATAC for residue, packaging and reselling it to acid-crazed hippies on Capitol Hill who found the mixture of coffee and kerosene kharmically enlightening. If you really think about this... Latte, Espresso and Venti are noises made while throwing up and/or while trying to speak while tripping on LSD and would also explain why they think that little cup is a large!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Tue Jul 31, 2001 2:41 am

..scuze me... I mean't "Tall"!  Insane
 
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RE: Total Unprofessionalism

Tue Jul 31, 2001 3:06 am

Bless ANY flight attendant who throws out stale coffee!!
Who cares if it's on the ramp...they 'toss' garbage bags off the aircraft into those trailers too.
What harm is this? It's not toxic.

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