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Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 9:34 am

I Happen To Like Them! They Have Given Many Airlines Outstanding Performance.They Have A Great Safety Record And Most Are Only Around 16 Years Old! What Is The Hurry To Get Rid Of Them? None Of The So Called Replacements Will Ever Serve As Long Or As Well As The 737-200. She Is One Of The Best Airliners Flying!
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 9:51 am

I happen to agree with you that the 737-200 is a very good, well built, and reliable airliner, but the fact is that it is an old, outdated aircraft. A good number of the 732s don't even meet stage III noise restrictions, and they burn a good amount of Jet A compared to a 737-700 or A319. The 732 is an aircraft of beauty, and it will be sad to see it go in the future.

-Tom
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 10:27 am

The louder the better!
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 10:29 am

Classic airliner, workhorse, reliable as fuck. Who in their right mind hates the 732?
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 10:57 am

Not sure on this one, but I think it has something to do with the different engines?!?
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 11:07 am

I love that plane! It has gotten me to and from many places and without any trouble. I hope nobody hates it!


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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 11:10 am

I've always thought the early 737s were neat-looking. I have a model of a 737-200 which I made in the Western Airlines bare-metal scheme. It's neat! And they are fun to fly on. One of my best flight memories was when I flew on an America West 737-200 from San Diego via Phoenix to Austin, just after I turned 21. That was back when America West served complimentary wine and beer, so I had my first glass of wine sitting just behind the wing, looking down through the jet exhaust at the desert landscape far below.

Too bad there are so many restrictions on noise...half the fun of watching planes take off and land is the sound of the roaring jet engines!

Long live the 737-200!
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 11:17 am

The Boeing 737-200 is a very well built, reliable aircraft. It doesn't meet noise requirements in some areas, and is not economical with fuel.

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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 12:13 pm

I love the airplane but it is older,has analog cockpit,engines that burn fuel faster and as an older aircraft requires special maintainance.Also requires more fusalage inspections because of age.If I am not mistaken 737-500 is basically the same plane updated.
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 12:16 pm

777guy,
the 737-500 is an updated -200, also the 737-600 is an updated -500.

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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 12:17 pm

The -200 is the best of the lot. It looks better and it sounds MUCH better !!!!
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 12:22 pm

Many people are still spooked from the UA Colorado Springs 737-200 crash.
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 12:56 pm

UAL had had their B 732s gone through Heavy Maintenance. And they will not be leaving anytime soon.
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 1:01 pm

Where did you get the idea that "everybody" hates the 737-200? From what I've read here, nobody hates it. In my pinion, anybody that claims to "hate" it, is an A vs B fanatic.

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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 1:02 pm

Where did you get the idea that "everybody" hates the 737-200? From what I've read here, nobody hates it. In my opinion, anybody that claims to "hate" it, is an A vs B fanatic.

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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 1:19 pm

The 727 baby sister can't be bad.
The JT8D's were never bad, even
when leaky and bit screamy.
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 1:22 pm

Actually, just for the sake of argument...

Most are way over 16 years old. Let's see... It's 2001. They stopped producing them in 1984. So ALL of them are over 16 years old. But seriously, they didn't build very many toward the end, and most went to Delta (who later became a subsidiary of Aeroflot but don't get me started). But most flying are circa 1970s. All of United's remaining 732 fleet did not originally belong to United- the are all 737-291's of Frontiers. But the one I flew recently was well over 23 years old. It was a piece of junk. Reliable? Certianly. Nice airplane? Certainly not.

I like them. I like DC-9s better, but I still like the 732.

They burn TONS of fuel and that makes them more expensive for airlines to operate. They weren't even considered efficient back in 1984, as the 737-300 had just debuted.

That's my opinion.

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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 1:31 pm

The 737-200 is a classic it stands out from the newer models of the 737 I don't see why anyone could hate such a great airliner. Their age dosent mean anything so what if its 16 years old. Its just such a great airliner. Smile  Big grin  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Sun Aug 05, 2001 2:28 pm

Actually, they stopped producing the 737-200s in 1988. Most of Delta's are from 84-87. Most of United's and USAirways are around 20 yrs old now. Great planes! Here in Western Canada we see them all the time with Westjet and Air Canada having large numbers. They may be a little noisy, but they sure are better than those "Jurrasic Jet" F.28s!
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:34 am

Gregg- about the 735 bring an updated 732, what were the updates? I assume the engines were one of them?

I took a cockpit visit on a Qantas 735 and found that the interior seemed unchanged and had much of the analog flightdeckage up there.

Please let us know. Thanks.
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Mirrodie

Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:51 am

Well, QF does not operate the 735, mabye you were thinking of another carrier? Anyway, there is actually a difference between the cockpits of many of the 733s, 734s, and 735s. Lets use CO as an example. Their earliest 733 have an analog cockpit, but their 735s and late model 733 have an EFIS cockpit. I am not sure if there are any 735s with an analog cockpit. And remember, the interior furnishings are up to the airline, not Boeing. Yes, the engines were a big update, along with the changes that were included in the 733.

-Tom
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Mon Aug 06, 2001 1:18 am

Because they're old and noisy. It's one of the worst, if not the worst narrowbody I've been on. I've flown on these planes 3 times with 3 different airlines and they were all the same. I can't stand being on one of those for an hour. I really like the second and third generation 737s, though.

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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Mon Aug 06, 2001 1:37 am

Southwest has analog flight decks on all 732, 733, and 735

The 732 is a BEAUTIFUL Bird
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Mon Aug 06, 2001 3:42 am

B737-200 is very nice. Especially those engines. And what about the front gear?? They have got some kind of scraper behind it so it can land at dirty or icy runways.
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:25 pm

There is surely about 100 pax who hate it now. A Canada 3000 732 just made an emergency landing in Fort Lauderdale while en route from Cuba to Montréal Mirabel (YMX) after one of its engines caught fire.

And what about the BA 732 in Manchester (UK) that had an engine blowing off while taxiing for take off? It happened in the '80s I beleive. The fire spreaded all over the aircraft because the pilot turned the aircraft the wrong way, putting the engine in fire on the wind side. There was many deaths. It was found in the following inquiry that the 732's engines fuel piping inside the engine wasn't designed strong enough, creating cracks and consequently fuel leaks.

An incident with at least a certain degree of similarity happened last year. It was an AC 732 (ex CP I beleive) that was charted by the Reform Party during the last Canadian federal election that had its port engine blowing off while landing somewhere in the province of New Brunswick.

I flew on it in the last few years, mainly in Africa (Air Gabon and TAAG). I must say it didn't felt too safe. A TAAG 732 was audited by AF in 1997, as it was doing a continuation of an AF flight from CDG to Pointe-Noire (Congo) via Luanda. It failed the audit miserably.
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:50 pm

I flew on Delta Express last week from MCO-PVD and I thought the plane was rather nice. The takeoffs and landings are a little noisy but during cruising the flight was great and the service also. I would be a little concerned about the safety of the airplane (having been flying for 20+) the cockpit is a little outdated than todays cockpits. Overall the Boeing 737-200 is a good airplane.
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Mon Aug 06, 2001 1:12 pm

Okay wasn't gonna respond to this but.. since there was an RJ-related thread started just now.. may's well just say, Kudos to this little workhorse, with the gazillions of 'em out there (and their later cousins), hard at work doing their job for so many millions of travelers worldwide. They were the RJs, so to speak, of the Seventies and early Eighties for the North America market, along with the DC-9s and longer-haul ,thicker r-oute 727s.

Been ages since I been in one, and actually (no flames now, kay?  Big grin) truth be told for about twenty years or so I kinda thought of them as 'Li'l Fatsos", due their kinda stubby appearance  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

(course with 700-and-up NGs, definitely no longer the case. Not "your father's" 73, anymore!)
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Mon Aug 06, 2001 2:14 pm

Boeing was still building these things at the same time they were building the 300 series, and even though the oldest ones are bare 15 years old, they just look old compared to the other members of the 737 family. Boeing should have changed engines on the 200 series, and made the plane look less out of place with other airliners. What really gets me is that the 737-200 uses the same engine as the DC-9-32, but when you put the engines in their nacelles side by side, the 737-200 engine looks huge compared to the more simplistic look of the DC-9s nacelles.
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Tue Aug 07, 2001 6:15 am

Yes, the engines do look different, but it's only because of the location they are mounted. The 737 application has to run the jet pipe past the trailing edge of the wing as not to interfere with the operation of the flaps and the bucket thrust reversers.

I my self love the 737-200, It's like a Harley, nice and loud. That's real flying, not like the "push a button let's go" A319. I think all pilots should be forced out of their plush 777 flightdecks and do some real flying in a B727, 737-200 etc. once in a while to keep their stick and rudder skills tight (ok, so you don't use the rudder that much in a -200, but work with me!). Training in the dash 700 is nice, but it will be sad to see the old bird go.  Sad
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Tue Aug 07, 2001 6:26 am

I love the 737-200!
I flew an Olympic Airways 732 in Greece and I loved the sound of those roaring engines.
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Tue Aug 07, 2001 6:29 am

Oldelwood:

Please stop capitalizing every word.
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Tue Aug 07, 2001 8:08 am

A few people asked the question where he got the impression that people hate the 732. I've also seen alot of negative talk about this classic airliner, saying that they're too old and noisy and even dangerous.

Sometimes 16 year olds get the feeling that they know all and that anything built before the A320 or MD-11 is old. We all know that the 737-100/200 has about the highest dispatch rate and is probably the safest airliner ever built. The 727 and 732 will never be replaced!

 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Tue Aug 07, 2001 8:52 am

B737-112 Sometimes 16 year olds get the feeling that they know all and that anything built before the A320 or MD-11 is old.

Ah but this is airliners.net, where everybody gets a chance to (at least a little bit  Big grin) be a 16-year old again, even assuming they no longer are! Anyway at that age, and especially with so much technological change in electronics and computers the past couple decades, it's bound to happen that a lot of things get tacitly written off as antiques, even stuff that shouldn't be, like say a 732.

The fact is that, just like with human spaceflight for instance, there's not a whole lot new coming up on the horizon, for maybe another decade, or maybe even two. (Okay Sonic Cruiser sort of qualifies, but even so it's still only just an announcement at this early stage). So with the landscape like that, you see how a lot the discussion goes off into various eddies, say from how many a/c still have to be PTV-ed, to who has the best (or worst) livery or engine roar, or the currently-very-popular who's better or worse Boeing or Airbus, or for that matter, how cruddy not-latest-gen airliners are to fly.

All kinds of side-issues, and actually it's good that folks participating in 'em have fun and enjoy themselves. As for maybe overlooking some contributions to airliner history in the process, well I guess bound to happen, but it'll be way less of an issue five or even ten years from now.

We all know that the 737-100/200 has about the highest dispatch rate and is probably the safest airliner ever built. The 727 and 732 will never be replaced!

 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Tue Aug 07, 2001 9:03 am

Oops,sorry that last line I forgot was still in there (meant to italicise it, then respond to that point too!)

The dispatch rate, yeah I guess with all those hundreds of millions of people flown on it worldwide, it'd have to be pretty darn good. Makes me curious about rooting out some stats. Even though I'm sure the new airliiners are pretty good in that department, themselves.
 
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Tue Aug 07, 2001 9:21 am

The 737-200 has done a fantastic job as a safe reliable workhorse, but I think it's time may have come.

I love the way they look and sound, but I don't like to fly them. I know the NGs and A320 series don't let the pilots fly them in the true sense of the word flying, but they have a tendency to be much more comfortable. I think the end is near with them, like it or not, simply due to costs anyways.

As an airline enthusiast, I love the plane, and I'll hate to see it go. As a passenger, I'd take a NG in a second.

Cheers,
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Tue Aug 07, 2001 12:15 pm

When compared with the newer planes powered by the likes of the CFM-56 and AE-2500, the 731 and 732 are old-fashioned, noisy, and uneconomical. However, one should compare the 732 with its contemporaries: it was on par with the DC-9-30 and the Dassault Mercure. It was also vastly quieter than the 720s and CV880s it replaced. So it all depends on perspective.

I have flown the 732 and 731 quite a bit and have found them to be quite comfortable.
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RE: Why Does Everyone Hate The 737-200?

Tue Aug 07, 2001 2:09 pm

I love the Boeing 737-200s I've been on. I have been flying United a lot lately and they fly many B732s into MSP (my home airport).

I found out that on UA they have an extra inch of legroom (not much but it is definetely noticeable) compaired to the other UA B737s. Plus, they don't carry as many passengers so they're quicker to load. I hope they'll stay around MSP for my future use!
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