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What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:28 pm

Yes, this is a pissing contest! (And this is not about the flights you WANT to take. It’s about the ones you have taken!)

Singapore Air:
MAN-AMS (C)
ZRH-AMS (Y)
LAX-NRT-LAX (F)
JFK-AMS-JFK (F)
JFK-FRA-JFK (F)
HKG-SFO (F)

Varig:
LHR-CPH (F)

Qantas:
YVR-SFO (F)

Cathay:
JFK-YVR (F)

United:
HGN-SGN (Y)
NRT-ICN-NRT (F/C)
NRT-TPE-NRT (F/C)
PVG-NRT (F)

Delta:
ORY-TLV (C)

Thai:
FCO-MAD (C)


NZ:
LAX-LHR-LAX (F/C)
LAX-RAR (C)
SYD-LAX (F)

Jet Airways:
EWR-AMS

Emirates:
MXP-JFK (F)
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:06 pm

Only a couple...

LH: BKK-KUL
DL: ROR-NRT
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:45 pm

LATAM B789 MAD>FRA in J - highly recommend !
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:10 pm

EZE-GRU - QR 77L
GRU-BCN - SQ 77W
SYD-AKL-SYD - EK 388
EZE-SCL - G3 738
AUA-CCS - G3 738
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:26 pm

All in Y only.

NW HKG-NRT and NRT-HKG, both 3x (this was way back when polar route was still in infancy)
EK HKG-BKK-HKG, easiest way to ride an A380
AI HKG-KIX-HKG, hey, they are cheap (this was before all the LCCs flood the market)
SQ SFO-HKG (took UA on the way back to US, sadly)

That's pretty much it.
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:27 am

A couple...

LAX-GRU Korean Air 777
LAX-ICN Singapore Airlines 777
ONT - Southern California's Ontario!
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:53 am

Very few that I can think of.
Turkish: GRU-EZE
LATAM: AKL-SYD

Am likely to be booked on Air China (or China Airlines, whatever) Brisbane to AKL this year.
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:02 am

I've only done two

LA AKL-SYD J A340-300
EK BNE-AKL Y A380-800
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:20 am

My few experiences:
2015
EK SYD-AKL Y A380-800
LA AKL-SYD Y A340-300
1974
UTA SYD-AKL-PPT-LAX-PPT-PPG-NAN-NOU-SYD Y DC-8 [west of PPT]/ DC-10-30[east of PPT]

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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:20 am

I’ve done
EK A388 SYD-CHC in Y,
EK A388 BNE-AKL in J,
D7 A333 AKL-OOL in Y,
LH A333 JED-ADD in Y and
QR B77L GRU-EZE in Y.

Additionally QF 744 JFK-LAX but that’s not 5th freedom is it?
712 733 734 735 737 738 744 752 763 77E 77L 77W 788 789 | A20N 318 319 320 321 332 333 343 346 388 | ASK21 | AT75 AT76 | BCS3 | C152 C172 C182 C210 | CR2 CR7 | DH8C DH8D | E190 | F70 F100 | LJ24 | PA31 | RJ85 RJ1H | SF34 | YK2
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:29 am

TG 744 SYD-AKL back in 2004, a lovely ride
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:11 am

Just a few I remember taking over the years.

KU LHR-JFK (F)
KU JFK-LHR (J)

AI LHR-JFK (J)
AI JFK-LHR (J)

GY CUR-JFK (Y)

CA CDG-ATH (J)
CA ATH-CDG (J)

SQ ATH-IST (J)
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:24 pm

-CCS - MIA - CCS on Lan Chile - Boeing 767-300 (Flight operated SCL-LIM-CCS-MIA)
-MUC - MAN on Singapore Airlines - Boeing 777-300W
-BCN - VIE on Air China - Airbus A330-300
-MAD - FRA on Lan - Boeing 787-8 done it both in J and Y

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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:13 am

AKL-MEL-AKL EK 773/77E 2005
BKK-SYD EK A388 2017
AKL-BNE EK A388 2017
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:49 pm

When I was a kid and my parents finally let me spend my lawn cutting money on tickets, I flew on a few of the Fifth Freedom flights that flew through Canada.

Some of the more interesting ones included...

YUL-ORD BA VC-10
ORD-YUL SN 737
YMX-JFK SU IL62
JFK-YMX OK IL62
YMX-JFK LO DC-8-62
JFK-YMX LO IL62
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:02 pm

ORY-FCO TWA 707
FCO-ATH TWA 747
ATH-TLV-BOM-BKK TWA 707
BKK-HKG TWA 707

Mix of F and Y. Cant remember specifically which flights were which.
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:28 pm

BKK-LHR & SIN-LHR on Qantas are the only ones i'm aware of
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:17 am

BKK-SIN SQ
SIN-DPS KLM
DPS-SIN KLM
SIN-CGK KLM
CGK-SIN KLM
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:11 am

Over the past last 18 months, I’ve done:

You find some really interesting fifth freedoms in asia. Over the past 18 months I’ve done:

China airlines from HKG to CGK
KLM from DPS to SIN
KLM from KUL to CGK
Royal Jordanian from BKK to HKG
Cathay Pacific from DXB to BAH
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:12 pm

Going back a few years into the 20th century when internediate stops were not uncommon:

ET LHR- FCO-LHR; and QF BKK-SIN More recently [but still a few years back] also did a QF LHR-SIN
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:13 am

QF
LHR-DXB DXB-LHRx2 A380
LHR-SIN SIN-LHR A380
LHR-HKGx2 B744 B74E
LA
MAD-FRA B789
EK
SYD-BKK B77W
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:39 am

I've only done NRT-ICN on UA.

I'm not sure but that was probably on of the last ex-PA routes from their NRT hub pre-Pacific sale to UA, so it was cool to be on that last shred of PA's intl legacy.
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:10 am

Very few, but Cathay Pacific YVR - JFK and just recently Brussels Air from Banjul to Dakar, didn't even hit 10,000 feet. This was early November so it still went to Yoff, not the new Dakar airport.
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:21 am

Air France; Houston Intercontinental (IAH) to Mexico City (MEX). Boeing 747.

zrs70, why did you feel it was necessary to indicate the class of service in which you traveled? I do not understand what that had to do with Fifth Freedom rights.

e38
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:06 am

Singapore Houston - Moscow now gone
Singapore Houston - Manchester
United Tokyo - Seoul (not sure if that is really 5th freedom as I do not know if they can sell local tickets...)
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:48 am

LA YYZ-JFK-YYZ 763
DL ICN-NRT-ICN 333
TR ICN-TPE-ICN 789

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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:36 am

CX CMB-SIN-CMB B773
EK CMB-SIN-CMB B77W
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:21 pm

All of them in Economy.
TK EZE-GRU-EZE 773 2014
QR EZE-GRU-EZE 772 2010
GU SAL-TGU-GUA AT7 2011
LA GRU-MAD-GRU 762 1997
LA LAX-LIM-SCL 788 2013
NM MAD-FOR-EZE 342 2006
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:44 pm

e38 wrote:
Air France; Houston Intercontinental (IAH) to Mexico City (MEX). Boeing 747.

zrs70, why did you feel it was necessary to indicate the class of service in which you traveled? I do not understand what that had to do with Fifth Freedom rights.

e38


You are correct .... It does little to deepen the purpose of the thread.
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:08 pm

AKL-SYD vv.
AR 342
LA 789 ,
EK 388
AKL-MEL vv EK 773
GRU-EZE vv TK 77W
LAX-NRT SQ 388
NRT-HKG ET 788
BKK-HKG
RJ 332
UL 343
LAX-LHR NZ 744
LHR-HKG NZ 744
HKG-SGN UA 744

Does HNL-MAJ-KWA-KSA-PNI-TKK-GUM count??
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:54 pm

Back in 1990
HKG-BKK GF 767 biz class
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:55 pm

e38 wrote:
Air France; Houston Intercontinental (IAH) to Mexico City (MEX). Boeing 747.

zrs70, why did you feel it was necessary to indicate the class of service in which you traveled? I do not understand what that had to do with Fifth Freedom rights.

e38


Now - having accepted a mea culpa, why did YOU feel it was necessary to indicate the aircraft type in which you travelled? I do not understand what that had to do with Fifth Freedom rights.

Touche!

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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:19 pm

SYD to AKL - LAN Airlines - A340-300
LGW to AMS - Garuda - B777-300

Not sure if these are considered 5th Freefom:

NRT to DMK (BKK at the time) - Northwest Airlines - A333-200
DMK to NRT - Northwest Airlines - A330-200

BKK to NRT - Delta Air Lines - B747-400
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:29 pm

NZ LAX - LHR - LAX in J
KU LHR - JFK - LHR in Y
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:59 pm

A333MSPtoAMS wrote:
SYD to AKL - LAN Airlines - A340-300
LGW to AMS - Garuda - B777-300

Not sure if these are considered 5th Freefom:

NRT to DMK (BKK at the time) - Northwest Airlines - A333-200
DMK to NRT - Northwest Airlines - A330-200

BKK to NRT - Delta Air Lines - B747-400


yes they were 5th freedom flights
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:01 pm

FlyingSicilian wrote:
Singapore Houston - Moscow now gone
Singapore Houston - Manchester
United Tokyo - Seoul (not sure if that is really 5th freedom as I do not know if they can sell local tickets...)


yes you could buy ticket for the NRT-KIX sector, even if from what I can recall it was very expensive. But that sector doesn't exist anymore
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:31 pm

BA:
LGW-BGI-GND (both directions)
LGW-UVF-POS (both directions)
LGW-UVF-GND (both directions)

UA:
SIN-HKG-SFO

QF:
HNL-NAN-SYD (NAN-SYD was via AKL but didn't stop there)
HNL-SYD

LI:
BGI-OGL (both directions)

BW:
BGI-LHR
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:12 am

have quite along list



SIN-BKK
AY MD-11
SR MD-11
LX A340-300
SK A340-300
CX 777-200
CX 777-300

SIN-HKG
UA 747-400
UA 777-200ER
GA 747-200
GA A330-300

SIN-JKT
KL 747-400M
AF 777-300ER

SIN-DPS
AO 767-300ER

SIN-KUL
HY 767-300ER
WY A330-300

SIN-CMB
EK 777-200

HKG-BKK
AI A310-300
EK 777-300
CI A330-300
UL A330-200
ET 767-300ER
KQ 767-300ER
RJ A330-200

HKG-NRT
DL 777-200LR

BKK-SGN
LH 747-400
TK A340-300


BKK-MNL
KU A340-300

KUL-BKK
MS A330-300

PEK-NRT
PK A310-300

KIX-HKG
AI 787-800

PEK-NGO
EY A330-200

PNH-SGN
QR A330-200

SGN-HKG
UA 737-700

HAN-BKK
QR 777-300ER

BKK-CAN
MD A340-300

JKT-KUL
LH A340-300
KL 777-300ER

MNL-NRT
DL 747-400

NRT-TPE
TZ 787-900

MAA-BKK
UU 737-800

HKG-JKT
CI A330-300

SIN-NRT
DL 767-300ER

NRT-PVG
DL 767-300ER

TPE-KIX
3K A320-200

KIX-MNL
3K A320-200

TPE-ICN
TZ 787-900

ICN-HKG
ET 787-800

NRT-DMK
TZ 787-800

TPE-SGN
JW A320-200

REP-LPQ
VN ATR72-500


got a few coming this year


DMK-KIX TZ
KIX-KHH TZ
BKK-CCU B3
DEL-KTM KB
TPE-NGO CX
CTS-TPE TZ
MAA-DAC Q2
GAU-BKK KB
 
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Re: What 5th Freedoms have you taken?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:30 am

British Airways
21 Jul 1979 AKL-MEL-PER B747-200
21 Dec 2000 SIN-SYD B747-400

Continental Airlines DC10
22 Dec 1984 SYD-AKL
31 Jan 1985 AKL-SYD

United Airlines B747-200
8 May 1986 AKL-SYD
20 May 1986 SYD-AKL

Cathay Pacific B747-400
30 Jul 1990 SIN-BKK

Thai Airways MD11
23 Jul 1993 AKL-SYD

Lauda Air B777-200
1 Oct 1999 SYD-MEL-KUL
20 Oct 1999 KUL-SYD

Qantas
16 Dec 2000 HKG-SIN B767-300ER
7 Sep 2012 LAX-JFK B747-400ER

Emirates
26 Nov 2005 SYD-AKL 77W
4 Dec 2005 AKL-SYD 77W
29 Oct 2014 SYD-AKL A388


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