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Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:08 am

What airlines have jumped from being a domestic/regional to intercontinental airline?

Westjet and Norwegian immediately come to mind.
 
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:33 am

I would think nearly every airline would be in this boat, with the exception of say EK or LG
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:48 am

American, Delta and United were all quite late to the longhaul party.
 
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:10 am

US in the 1980's after merging with PI.

I'd throw in WN as a more recent example.
 
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:37 am

Azores Airlines, former SATA Air Acores, should be mentioned here. Started as a regional airline to fly between the Azores islands and mainland Portugal, they now fly also fly to the USA and Canada.
 
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Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:38 am

Jin Air only flew domestic and intra-Asia routes from its inception in 2008 until 2015 when they started flying to HNL.
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:01 am

ANA is a good example. It was founded in 1952 as a domestic (helicopter) airline, it only started international flights in 1986. And by now it's the biggest international Japanese airline as they have overtaken JAL.
 
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:32 am

Qantas.
 
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:48 am

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Qantas.


Qantas was the opposite. It only flew internationally then expanded to domestic after deregulation if I recall correctly.

EDIT: (Though I guess in its initial incarnation, you’d be coreect)
 
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:35 am

Ooh that is a fun little nest of pedantry there :p

Strictly speaking QANTAS Ltd - the original company that was founded in 1920 - was indeed wound up in 1947 when their partnership with Imperial Airways (Qantas Empire Airways Ltd) was nationalised, and it's that company from which the current Qantas Airways Ltd is descended.

However they still qualify for inclusion here because QEA's first route was domestic - Brisbane to Darwin, commenced in December 1934. International service commenced in May 1935 when that route was extended to Singapore to connect with IA's London service.

They did lose their domestic network to TAA as part of nationalisation, but yes regained this access during deregulation and also by the rather beautiful expedient of just buying TAA outright.
 
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:46 pm

Piedmont and People Express
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:00 pm

neomax wrote:
What airlines have jumped from being a domestic/regional to intercontinental airline?

Westjet and Norwegian immediately come to mind.

As the thread author, I believe you need to be more specific with your question.
"Domestic" is self-explanatory, but what do you mean by regional?
In the US, regional might mean a domestic carrier that limits itself to one small part of the US. Tell me if I'm wrong.

Anywhere else in the world it could mean something entirely different; for instance everybody here knows Iberia as a (purely Spanish) airline, but how many also know that Iberia is a geographical region that includes Portugal? And Andorra, and Gibraltar, and even a small part of France. Scandinavia is another well known region.

Likewise, "intercontinental" can have a variety of interpretations. Many of us here take it to mean trans-atlantic or similarly significant distances, but if you take it quite literally to mean "between continents", then how about Ceuta? This is a Spanish colony in North Africa, a different continent, and although it does not have an airport, I'm sure there have been "intercontinental" helicopter services linking it to Europe, only 14km away across the Straits of Gibraltar. Probably not what everybody has in mind when thinking "intercontinental".

In the absence of any guidance, I'm with the second poster here;
jetblueguy22 wrote:
I would think nearly every airline would be in this boat,
- with the possible exception of every American airline, who probably cut their teeth flying international (but not intercontinental) flights to places like Canada, Cuba, Mexico, etc

Like I said back at the start; there is the US view of things, and then there is the rest of the known world. :rotfl:

Definition of "regional airline"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_airline

List of regional airlines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regional_airlines
(warning - includes some very curious entries, such as LAM, Air Zimbabwe, Avianca, Air Nostrum, etc, etc)
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:23 pm

An Indian airline must operate domestically for five years or must have at least 20 aircraft or 20% of its fleet, whichever is higher, serving the domestic sector before it can go international. SpiceJet did five years domestically before launching international flights from Delhi to Kathmandu and Chennai to Colombo in 2010.
 
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:22 pm

gunnerman wrote:
An Indian airline must operate domestically for five years or must have at least 20 aircraft or 20% of its fleet, whichever is higher, serving the domestic sector before it can go international. SpiceJet did five years domestically before launching international flights from Delhi to Kathmandu and Chennai to Colombo in 2010.


They may have gone international, but still far from long haul. Serving some neighbouring countries hardly counts, that's still regional. They only start counting if they serve destinations in other continents. From India you could imagine flights to Europe or Australia.
 
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:26 pm

Vietnam Airlines
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:29 pm

Ansett, Royal Brunei and Srilanken.
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:42 pm

BMI - when they acquired the A330’s and began service to ORD/IAD.

PI - when they acquired the 767 for service to Europe.

HP (America West) - when they began 747 service.

People Express - with their 747.

On a smaller scale, when commuter carriers acquired regional jets.
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:57 am

I'll throw in two (mainland)Chinese carrier in Hainan and XiamenAir, along with HNA's Hong Kong Airlines.

For MF (Xiamen), they've been around for a long time (since 1984) but only got into long-haul recently (2014 or so, to Australia. Then around 2016 to US).

HX history is not as long, and they did tried a LGW route for half a year back around 2012. It's only now that they got the A350 that they start to expand quite a bit on their long-haul network (LAX, SFO, YVR).

For HU, well, pretty much like HNA group, they just throw random darts on the board and starting operating a bunch of routes. :scratchchin:
 
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Re: Airlines that have made "the Jump"

Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:19 am

zrs70 wrote:
BMI - when they acquired the A330’s and began service to ORD/IAD.

PI - when they acquired the 767 for service to Europe.

HP (America West) - when they began 747 service.

People Express - with their 747.

On a smaller scale, when commuter carriers acquired regional jets.


Regarding British Midland Airways

British Midland had previous experience flying intercontinental as ABC flights operated from MAN and STN to the USA and Canada in the 1970's with Boeing 707.

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