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Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overall

Sat May 29, 2004 12:09 pm

This thought just came to me...does anyone know which airline has suffered the most aircraft crashes in history? Which airline has lost the least amount of aircraft overall?
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XA744
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 12:12 pm

No hard feelings anyone, but I believe Aeroflot takes the lead. Checking with AirDisater.com can clarify this issue.

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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 12:13 pm

Not so sure but Qantas has never lost anything, the safest airline. As for the most lost aircraft I have to tell you AA has had a lot of incidents over the years. I am too lazy to research this so someone get the facts!
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 12:16 pm

Korean Air had a lot of write-offs. Maybe they are in the running for 1st place? No offense towards Korean Air fans, I like them and I know they have substantially turned themselves around! And just for that I applaud them. But the fact remains, I think they might have had the most hull-losses.

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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 12:19 pm

**excuse the language**

Its a weak blow to even think about putting AA in the running. They are the largest airline in the world- 875 planes. With 875 planes circling the globe 24 hours a day, shit happens. Its proportional to nearly any other airline.

Sorry, but I dont care for this thread... I think its hard to call out a single airline, because you have to look at it from a proportional or percentage standpoint. And accident databases date back to atleast 1970- a lot has changed since then. A lot has changed since 1999, and its not all due to crashes, but the fact that with every passing day, technology gets better on airplanes (even if it is polluting the environment).

Dont take it personally,but I have requested deletion. I can see the flame wars on this thread beginning... so lets try to stop them before they get a chance to start.

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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 12:24 pm

We could all check the stats online somewhere and never talk about it. But that wouldn't be much fun, eh?

WITHOUT checking anyone's database, I would guess that Garuda Indonesia ranks up there near the top of the list.
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 12:24 pm

Aeroflot is indeed the answer for the most but that needs to be put in perspective. All civil aviation in the USSR was Aeroflot.

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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 12:28 pm

Pan Am has busted up a few in their day, but AeroFlot takes the trophy here.
Qantas wins going in the other direction.
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 12:29 pm

I would also instinctively say Aeroflot too.

That isn't meant to be a jab, as IMissPiedmont mentioned, they handled all aviation in the Soviet Union. For years they where also the largest airline in the world. By definition if the accident percentage is the same as with other carriers in the world, they still will have a larger total number of crashes.

But then you also factor in high risk flying such as military charters into combat zones, cropdusting and aerial application, the helicopter work, the forest firefighting work, and they by logic should have had a higher rate. Those jobs are by definition much risker then flying airport to airport.

But a lot of records especially dealing with smaller incidents don't exist.
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 12:36 pm

I'll grant QANTAS, to a point. That beingknow write-offs od aircraft during peacetime. Ignoring the short lived and new airlines (less than 20 years old) How about WN and HP for safest. One write off each.

Again, I'm playing with statistics here.
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 12:55 pm

TWA I would imagine is up there as well.
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 1:05 pm

JBLUA320,
This is a great aviation forum. Members posing questions and asking questions, sharing info. I fail to see the reason why this topic should be deleted.

I am all for censoring foul lingo, insulting and inflammatory remarks. But some people take this "topic deletion" thing way too far.

So there...  Big grin

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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 1:09 pm

I'll agree with JBLUA320 to a point.
What this thread is going to conclude at the end is going to be "who is the safest airline?". I see it heading that way really fast.
You just can't look at it like that. You have to consider such things as:

Maintenance
Crew Response
Aircraft Type
Weather
Fleet Size

amongst other things for each and every incident. If you don't you are just making generalizations.
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 1:12 pm


A few years ago, I noticed that Delta kicked Korean Air off its partner/codeshare list because of Korean's shoddy safety practices.

Have they resumed their relationship?

Please let me know!!
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 1:22 pm

It's silly for anyone to guess... if you're going to be lazy and not back your claims with facts, then go all the way and not even post. Pretty irresponsible. Anyway, AirDisaster.com has very comprehensive crash statistics. They take into account the number of operations each airline has, and they are so ranked accordingly. This method is definitely the most accurate way to determine who has had the most accidents, based on the size of their operations. Here's the link: http://www.airdisaster.com/statistics/. The top part of this link is for aircraft, but scroll down and you'll find airline data.

As far as AA goes, they do have the most "incidents" at 10, but are ranked 5th among 12 US airlines on the list in terms of safety. That's because they operated some 17 million flights. Delta was ranked highest, Airtran worst, followed by Midwest Express. Cubana, overall, had the highest accident rate of all the airlines listed. It is important to note airlines without any incidents, defined as where there was at least one fatality (excluding hijackings) aren't listed. Therefore, Delta is not the safest airline in the US as they've had some incidents. WN, HA, F9, B6 and HP have had no fatal accidents.

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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 1:29 pm

 
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 2:05 pm

Again with the silly statistics. AA has had many more then 10 "incidents" , hell WN has had more than that. But I'm splitting hairs and being correct, legally.

Let's just say that an airline had only 1 fatal crash in it's history, we'll just call it Apache for arguments sake, but it flew 3 aircraft for about 6 years. Would said mythical airline then be safer than KLM or AA?

Statistics, without perspective, are so fun!
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 2:14 pm

Without checking the database, my vote goes to Aeroflot.  Big grin
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 2:14 pm

I'd also have to say that Pan Am is up there.. They probably have the most 747 and 707 write-off than any other airline.. not checking any databases, of course..
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 5:30 pm

Try this:
 
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 5:32 pm

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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sat May 29, 2004 7:19 pm

Aeroflot may have had the most accidents, but it doesn't mean they're unsafe! They've had plenty of aircraft over the years, so you'd expect accidents to happen. There are 759 different registrations in the A.net database for Aeroflot. That's a lot of planes!

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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sun May 30, 2004 1:39 pm

One has to set a criteria or a guideline here. Speaking just for myself, I have a list of AA's hull losses since they entered the jet age with their first 707. AA has had 16 hull losses under their operations. They have lost at least one type of every jet aircraft they ever operated in the past, with just 4 exceptions...the BAC-111, 737, 747 & 777. If anyone interested in seeing this list I've compiled, I'll dig it out & post it. Regards.
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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Sun May 30, 2004 11:42 pm

I've dug out that list I've compiled some time ago on American's hull losses in the jet era. Thought I'd post it anyway, in case anyone might be interested with it. Please feel free to let me know if there's any corrections to be made.

1. 707-123 N7514A 8/15/59 @ Calverton, NY
2. 707-123 N7502A 1/28/61 @ Montauk, NY
3. 707-123 N7506A 3/1/62 @ Jamaica Bay, NY
4. CV-990 N5616 5/30/63 @ Newark, NJ
5. 727-023 N1996 11/8/65 @ Cincinnati, OH
6. 727-095 N1963 4/26/76 @ St. Thomas, USVI
7. DC-10-10 N110AA 5/25/79 @ Chicago, IL
8. DC-10-30 N136AA 5/21/88 @ Dallas, TX
9. DC-10-30 N139AA 4/14/93 @ Dallas, TX
10. 757-223 N651AA 12/20/95 @ Cali, Colombia
11. 727-223 N845AA 2/9/98 @ Chicago, IL
12. MD-82 N215AA 6/1/99 @ Little Rock, AR
13. F-100 N1419D 5/23/01 @ Dallas, TX
14. 767-223 N334AA 9/11/01 @ New York, NY
15. 757-223 N644AA 9/11/01 @ Arlington, VA
16. A300-605 N14053 11/12/01 @ Rockaway, NY

May all those who lost their lives on any of these airplanes...Rest in Peace.



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RE: Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overal

Mon May 31, 2004 12:07 am

Just for those of you who believe this thread is ranking airlines as unsafe with the most accidents, that is not what I'm trying to do. I'm just wondering the airline with the most accidents in aircraft overall in history. Accidents are not usually the airline's fault...it is the aircraft they fly, which usually are flown by many other airlines as well. It's just simply statistics, not a question of which airline is "safer." You cannot determine the most "unsafe" airline by this idea alone.

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