pilotcoex
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Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:16 am

Is the Los Angeles to San Francisco route still the busiest in the world? I know four years ago it was, followed by Los Angeles to Las Vegas.
 
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:27 am

top 10 in 2003

1)TYO-SPK
2)TYO-FUK
3)TYO-OSA
4)HKG-TPE
5)SEL-PUS
6)SYD-MEL
7)SEL-CJU
8)TYO-OKA
9)LON-NYC
10)SYD-BNE

EDIT: passenger movement apparently

[Edited 2004-06-03 20:41:13]
 
ATL2CDG
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:36 am

Roberta:

What actions formulates the basis for that list? Enplanements? Aircraft movements? ASM?
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Womack17
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:45 am

A few years ago it seems to me that I saw a list of flights between Rio and maybe Brasilia or Sao Paolo there were flights taking off in both directions at 15 minute intervals. They began at like 0400 and lasted until like 2345 - I know I didn't dream that up. Can someone with Sabre access maybe check those pairs and see if they are still that regular?
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daumueller
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:58 am

nowadays, I only count 7 RIO-Brasilia flights daily.
 
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:02 am

Womack17, YES.
RIO(SDU) to SAO PAULO (CGH) was one of the busiest, but less now.
A few years ago flights started(week days) at 6.30am until 11.45pm with 15-20min breaks, within Varig, Tam, Transbrasil and Vasp.That almost broke all of them. Now Vasp is small, Transbrasil is gone and Varig doing bad.
The route is still busy, but now with less flights and bigger breaks 30-60min, depend on the part of the day. I can´t get the numbers of pax right now, sorry.

Hope that helps.  Big thumbs up
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pzurita1
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:05 am

Womack,

Probably you would refer to Sao Paulo-Rio de Janeiro shuttle. In peak hours there are probably 4 or 5 flights every hour... But they are done in small a/c.

There is no comparision to 50 daily flights between Tokyo and Sapporo with widebodies.

I guess the correct way to measure the most busy route is by pax transported. Hence, Tokyo-Sapporo and this list that follows.

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ChrisZRH
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:06 am

wow, didn't knew that!! i think LHR-CDG was/is a very busy route. heard about new york - washington, shuttle flights, where you didn't need a ticket, you could board the plane and pay when your seated
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:21 am

The June 2004 edition of Business Traveler magazine (pg 11) has a claim from Eurostar that 2 out of every 3 travellers between London and Paris now take the train instead of flying.
 
pzurita1
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:22 am

According to my estimates, Sao Paulo-Rio de Janeiro ponte aerea used to fly 74,327 pax weekly in summer 2003.

You can compare this number with
LON-NYC 53,580 weekly pax
LON-Chicago 20,713 pax


Saddly I do not have estimate for other routes (ie LON-DUB, Tokio-Sapporo, LON-PAR, etc)

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cx340
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:22 am

What about LON-DUB and MAD-BCN? I remember reading somewhere, maybe in these forums, that these routes were the busiest, or at least had more daily flights between city pairs.
 
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:27 am

Among the world's busier routes:

London-Dublin, London-Paris, London-New York City, New York City-Miami, New York City-Chicago, New York City-Boston, New York City-Washington/National, Los Angeles-San Francisco, Honolulu-Maui, Madrid-Barcelona, Sao Paulo-Rio de Janeiro, Santiago de Chile-Buenos Aires, Tokyo-Sapparo, Honolulu-Tokyo, Melbourne-Sydney, London-Singapore, Bangkok-Singapore

The above list is in no particular order at all. The busiest domestic US route is Los Angeles-San Francisco, followed by Miami-New York City.
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:28 am

Wonder what the numbers are between the Los Angeles Basin (BUR, LAX, SNA, Long Beach, Ontario) and the San Francisco Bay Area (SJC, SFO, OAK), all airports included.
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:29 am

I feel a shortest, fattest posting coming soon.

Is it LON-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA?
 
AF022
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:34 am

from the current OAG file...

CGH-SDU & vv: 889 weekly nonstops - 116620 weekly seats
SYD-MEL & vv: 805 weekly nonstops - 163602 weekly seats
HNL-OGG & vv: 527 weekly nonstops - 50407 weekly seats
SFO-LAX & vv: 360 weekly nonstops - 47190 weekly seats
LHR-DUB & VV: 269 weekly nonstops - 40160 weekly seats

 
gilesdavies
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:41 am

The London to Dublin is the worlds busiest air route.

I have searched the airlines websites on an average day in August and there is a total of 112 flights a day between the two cities.

This is quoted on numerous websites as being the busiest route in the world.

I have no figures to confirm this but if each flight was to carry to 100 passengers on average this would total 78,400 pax a week and if flights were to fly full this figure would be more closer to 110,000 pax a week.

London Heathrow ---> Dublin
Aer Lingus - 14 flights in each direction - 320/321
BMI - 8 flights in each direction - 320/321

London Gatwick ---> Dublin
British Airways - 4 flights in each direction - 734
Ryanair - 6 flights in each direction - 738

London Stansted ---> Dublin
Ryanair - 12 flights in each direction - 732/738

London Luton ---> Dublin
Ryanair - 6 flights in each direction - 732/738

London City ---> Dublin
CityJet - 6 flights in each direction - 146
 
travisnc
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:32 am

I know this thread is about city pairs (ie LGA-ORD), but if you include entire metros then LAX/SNA/ONT/BUR/LGB-SFO/OAK/SJC has to be one of the busiest metro to metro markets. By my rough count there are around 180 flights/day between the metros:

Alaska Airlines - 6 flights
American - 31
jetBlue - 6
Southwest - 95
United - 42
TOTAL - 180

Most on 737/A319 sized planes.
 
timz
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RE: Busiest Route

Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:55 am

As usual, you have to decide what "busiest route" means. Does "route" mean one airport-pair? Or if we group airports, we have to decide how large the groups can be.

Then you have to decide whether you're counting flights or passengers, and, if the latter, maybe you have to decide whether you're counting O&D passengers or all passengers.

Busiest airport-pair, by passenger count: I'm guessing Tokyo Haneda to Sapporo; the seat count is probably highest there?

Busiest airport-pair, by flight count: Santos Dumont to Congonhas used to be tops, and maybe still is; Madrid-Barcelona is another possibility. Taipei-Kaohsiung (?) wouldn't be too far behind, along with other Asian routes. No US route can compare any more, though circa 1990 LAX-SFO had about 90 each way a day, which may be the all-time record. Sydney-Melbourne was heavy for a time but I guess they're down now?

No London-Dublin airport-pair is a contender, and when you group their airports I suspect they have a hard time beating Los Angeles area to San Francisco area-- by flight count anyway.

As to the original question-- if by "Los Angeles to San Francisco" you meant LAX-SFO, that airport-pair hasn't been the busiest airport-pair for years, if it ever was.

[Edited 2004-06-03 23:57:30]
 
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:59 am

I was relatively sure LONDUB was not the "World's busiest route", so I wanted to check two others...(keeping in mind I'm checking for co-terms like the above claim)

NYC-CHI has 85 flts a day each way. for a total of 170. Mostly 737's/A320's.

WAS-NYC has 98 flights a day each way! 196 total flights. US, DL, and EGL all operate hourly flights from DCA to LGA. You can also add 25 more flights a day each way when Independence Air starts EWR and JFK service from IAD this fall.

I didn't check the U.S. west coast markets...but I know LA/SF has a ton of flights too.


[Edited 2004-06-04 00:01:57]
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timz
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:01 am

"The London to Dublin is the worlds busiest air route....This is quoted on numerous websites as being the busiest route in the world."

Do they really say it's the busiest route? Or just the busiest international route?
 
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:20 am

Timz,

From what I have heard, Dublin-London is quoted as the Busiest International Air route.
 
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:55 am

I would be surprised if YYZ to YUL or YYZ to YVR is not very much in the upper ends of that list too--there is certainly huge traffic between them
 
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RE: Canadian Routes

Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:00 am

Count up the scheduled flights and let us know.
 
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:16 am

HND-SPK

busiest air route in the world, nearly 10 million passengers in 2003 and roughly 40 widebody flights a day between sapporo and tokyo.
 
jupiter2
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:36 am

SYD/MEL today Friday the 4th June is as follows:
QF : 33 flights, 19 763's, 8 762's, 3 738's, 1 744, 1 333 and 1 332
Virgin Blue : 22 flights all 738's or 73G's
Thai : 1 744
UA : 1 744
Nice total of 57 flights comprising 3 744's, 27 767's, 25 737's and 2 330's.
That is why it is amongst the busiest routes in the world.
RL
 
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:04 am

you can take out the UA and TG flights, they aren't allowed to fly domestic passengers.
 
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:26 pm

They may not be allowed to carry purely domestic passengers but they are allowed to carry transit passengers who may have stopped over on TG or UA. These passengers could have, would have otherwise travelled on a purely domestic service so these flights should be included.
RL
 
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:52 pm

Hmmm...really depends on what u term busiest:

1) in terms of numbers of flights?
2) numbers of passengers?

or

3) total landed weight between two individual airports
4) or two cities?

Regards the London - Dublin route, it's not the busiest route in the world in terms of passenger numbers flown, although it's the busiest in the EU with 4.4m passengers flown per annum, ahead of London - Paris (2.9m) and London - Amsterdam (3.6m). These all seemingly pale into insignificance against Melbourne - Sydney, which i remember as the third busiest in the world with 5.6m passengers flown between the cities in 2003. Of course, we in Australia don't have the alternative choice of a fast train...

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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:54 am

LON(METRO)-DUB is the busiest route in the world between two capital cities.
LHR-JFK, if I remember correctly, is the busiest international airport pair.
 
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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:21 am

LON-EDI!  Big thumbs up
Well, there's at least 20 flights a day from LHR alone.
Then there's the flights from STN and LTN and LGW and LCY.

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RE: Busiest Route In The World

Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:59 am

Although not the busiest one, SCL-EZE is quite competitive.

We have:

7 daily LanChile flights operated with A320s and A340s
5 daily Aerolineas Argentinas flights operated with MD-80s
1 daily Air France flight operated with a 777-200
1 daily Lufthansa flight operated with an A340-600
3 weekly Air Canada flights operated with a 767-300
Plus Avianca (I don't know how many flights a week) operated with a 767-200 (or maybe a 757)

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