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Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:54 am

With the 757 production line closing, I want to ask you people out there, do you think the 757 production line was successful? The 757 was built to replace the 727 (originally a 727-300 was going to be created but Boeing decided to start afresh with the 757) so could it be said that the 757 was not a success as it did not receive the sales that the 727 received?
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:55 am

with around 1000 planes made, it sure was a success!
 
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:59 am

At 1,050 airframes assembled, yes I would consider it a success. BTW, the 727 saw 1,832 airframes built over 20 years, the same length of time the 757 was on the line. Regards.
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:07 am

Keep in mind that the advancements made by the A32x/737NG families also made them eventual 727 replacements. Had their advent been somewhat delayed, you'd probably seen much more equivalent numbers for 727 vis-a-vis 757.

Also think Boeing came out with the 753 about ten years later than they should've.... but that's only historical retrospect I guess.
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:24 am

The 752 was designed with a stretch in mind from the outset. It was probably the slow start to the program which delayed Boeing offering the 753, and the similar capacity of the 762.

Many early 727s were eventually replaced by 737/DC9 variants too. The 737 is closer in size to early 727-100 models, so the 757 wasn't really a straight replacement for the whole family.

1249 727-200s were built, which is closer to both the capacity and production numbers of the 757.

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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:32 am

I think the figures speak for themselves. Of course it was successful.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:38 am

Yes, it is a delightful aircraft and a huge success.

It is an interesting aircraft as well, because it is a single aisle aircraft that is considered a "heavy" in terms of takeoffs and landings. That is, small aircraft have to wait a bit before taking off behind it because of wake turbulence, like they do for a 747, 777, etc.
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:01 am

Still my favourite airliner.

Not many can lug over two hundred tourists plus their baggage and still perform like a fighter! The MYT examples are among the first built yet still take a pounding day after day on the charter runs around Europe.

The CASM numbers for the model are still up there with the best too.

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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:07 am

Absolutely. The figures speak for itself. And it is one of the best performers out there - in terms of take-off performance, reliability and last but definitely not least safety, even when compared to more modern offerings such as the A321.
 
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:13 am

Not that it really defines the success of the 57 but Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen liked them so much he bought two!!  Smokin cool


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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:16 am

For airlines....quite definitely yes.
For Boeing, it was a moderately successful program marred by only three event's:
1. The need to certify P&W's on what should have likely been an exclusive RR product;
2. The production problems of the 73NG's caused some resource shortages in the late 90's which which slowed 75 deliveries as well (if you can call three months significant).
3. As mentioned, the -300 which should have been either offered years earlier---or more likely just forgotten.

Financially, I think Boeing would term it as a moderately successful program in term of ROI. It a solid performer, but not a cash cow as some would like to classify.....

On a personaly note..I think the -300 and the winglets where ten years too late....
 
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:34 pm

In a word... yes!  Smile

Beautiful plane, I have 3 desktop models of 757s. A financial success for Boeing, obviously in the amount of them sold. It was a success for it's customers, a great workhorse for airlines across the world.
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:18 pm

Greg:

Since development costs were shared with the 767, I think it's hard for anyone but Boeing to say that the program was 'moderately' successful.
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:41 pm

Also think Boeing came out with the 753 about ten years later than they should've.... but that's only historical retrospect I guess.

Boeing also developed a NG version of the 757. If they had...............
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:23 pm

With a production run of 1000+, the 757 was def a financial success.

However, by the sales standards of other Boeing commercial airliners, it does not stand out as an overwhelming success.
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:48 pm

As others have mentioned here, with over 1000 sold, the 757 was a great success. The combination of payload and range at twin-engine economics is fantastic.

Personally I believe it's demise to be premature, however post-9/11 with carriers in the condition they are in and upward pressure from the 737-800/900 and the A321, the only differentiator it offered was the additional range, which at the time was not being valued by those few operators in the market.

I was checked out in the this airplane and will never forget the incredible performance and handling characteristics of this airplane. ( always reminded me of my BMW 5 series - tight and responsive and always goes where you want it to !!). Just a marvelous machine !!



 
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:14 pm

Unique lines, gorgeous body, twin-aisle range in a compact single-aisle airframe, advanced cockpit (by some standards), economical operating costs for airlines, several engine variations, a smooth ride for all, good short-field performance...Whats not to love? How couldn't an airline buy it?

They couldn't. I believe the 757 was a deffinate financial success with over 1,000 airframes built. It will be flying for many years.

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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:21 pm

3. As mentioned, the -300 which should have been either offered years earlier---or more likely just forgotten.

I agree with Greg. Had the 753 been introduced when the 752 was selling well initially (in 88/89) cs the 1996 launch, no doubt several more US majors would have ordered large fleets of 753's.

Other gaps in the 757 line (IMHO) included a longer range 752ER (which CO, LH and C3 indicated interest in) enabling EU-US west coast service). Also the 753 lacked sufficient range for many US east-coast-EU service which limited its appeal.
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:46 pm

UUUUUUUUUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........I THINK SO.....


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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:50 pm

I really would like to see one of the 757s with the winglets...have they started to add them yet??
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Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:06 am

Yes as said the 75 is a success, however since it is questionable I would like to mention some aircraft that were so successful that its not even questionable. I would say these include the the 737, 727, DC9/MD80, 767, 747 and obviously the 707.
 
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:16 am

The 757 was a major success--though not as Boeing originally intended.

It was thought to be a 727 replacement, but in reality the 757 replaced all the aging 707's and DC-8's of many of the airline fleets around the world. The 757 also became very popular with charter airlines, most because you could put in over 200 seats per plane and the 757-200 rated for ETOPS operation could fly non-stop between western Europe and the US East Coast (that's why you still see a lot of 752's flying in and out of MCO that are owned by European charter airlines).

Though 757 production has ended, I expect them to fly on for many, many more years. Expect within a few years new interiors and possibly the installation of more efficient engines that will allow the 757 to fly till 2020!  Smile
 
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:23 am

My opinion?

It was not sucessful. Its main purpose was to substitute B727 and many airlines that operated B727 kept them while operated B757. Also airlines that had B727 that never ordered B757?
The fact of having 1000 produced? Ok, good job.
 
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:08 am

Absolutely yes, I don't think there are many resting in the dessert. The 737, especially in it's later varients (like the larger NG's), the A321 series, the lower ops costs of them along with the economic woes of USA airlines meant it had a declining demand. Yet, if you need to get a lot of people from airports with limited space (LGA, DCA) or to serve points within the USA or to/from the USA to smaller markets in Europe, then the 757 was an excellent choice.
As noted above, perhaps in the next few years Boeing or speciality contractors could do an upgrade program, like done with DC-8's, DC-10's, to install more efficient engines, add winglets and update the cockpit systems.
 
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:45 am

Greg said, "1. The need to certify P&W's on what should have likely been an exclusive RR product;"

Interesting... Can you explain why the 57 should have been exclusive to RR? I don't know much about the background of this aircraft program so you have my apologies if this is common knowledge.

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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:52 am

yes yes and yes


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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:06 am

I really would like to see one of the 757s with the winglets...have they started to add them yet??

Continental is the launch customer with Aviation Partners Boeing for the 757 winglet program. I believe they are scheduled to be certified in 2005. Check, http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/main.htm for more details.

The need to certify P&W's on what should have likely been an exclusive RR product

I'm not exactly sure the logic there. P&W's grabbed about 40% of the orders, which is significant.
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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:45 am

The need to certify P&W's on what should have likely been an exclusive RR product.

Don't forget that during the design period(mid-late 70s) for the 757, RR was still reeling from their early problems with the RB211 on the L1011. The RB211 almost killed RR. At that point many airlines were not convinced that RR had worked out the problems. I know this is the reason Dl, with their early experience with the RB211 on the L-1011, chose PW. We know now in hindsight that the RB211 ended up being a superior engine to the PW2000. Hindsight is 20/20. For these reasons a case can made for the argument that if RR had been the only engine available for the 757, it may have died an early death before the RB211s had a chance to prove themselves.

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RE: Was The 757 Successful?

Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:14 am

Has to be yes. Leaving aside any commercial considerations it is a thing of beauty. I have only ever flown in BA 757's and have always thrilled at take off, such power. Shame BA is getting rid of theirs as I really miss them on the Edinburgh/London run altho' they can still turn up occasionally.

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