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Aviation Crashes - "What Were You Thinking?!?

Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:19 am

What air disaster (caused by crew error or poor judgment on the part of the crew) perplexes you the most?
In other words, If you could speak to the crew, to whom would you most want to say "What the f#*% we're you thinking?!?"

Some possibilities could be...

Aeroflot 593, where the captain allowed his children to handle the controls.

Northwest 255, where in a rush to depart, the takeoff checklist was never completed.

KLM 4805, where takeoff was attempted without proper clearance.

Singapore 006, where takeoff was attempted during a typhoon.

My vote goes to Aeroflot 593.

[Edited 2004-07-09 19:28:21]
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RE: Aviation Crashes - "What Were You Thinkin

Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:30 pm

Was there a crash when the flaps where not set. Maybe it was the NW one. How do you not set the flaps I dont understand?
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RE: Aviation Crashes - "What Were You Thinkin

Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:06 pm

NW 255 & DL 1141 were crashes as a result of the flaps not being configured for takeoff.

In the NW case, the crew was in a rush to get to their destination and the takeoff checklist was not completed.

In the DL case, the crew were engaged in non- flight related conversation. Although the checklist was done, it is surmised that it was a robotic response, as the flaps weren't configured correctly.
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RE: Aviation Crashes - "What Were You Thinkin

Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:43 pm

No pun intended, but having read quite a few NTSB reports, I dare say that the topic statement pertains to a great number of general aviation pilots. Continued flight into IMC, running out of fuel, break the nosewheel (in zero wind) and other intelligent stuff make for some great statistics.

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RE: Aviation Crashes - "What Were You Thinkin

Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:59 pm

With regard to NW215 and DL1141, as with all crashes, the flaps not being set were the end of a long series of unusual circumstances. Also, in both cases, the "TakeOff Configuration Warning System was unserviceable in both cases". This system would have warned them when takeoff power was set.

I am unsure about American law today, but in Canada, this system must be serviceable before dispatch. NO exceptions.
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RE: Aviation Crashes - "What Were You Thinkin

Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:34 am

Aero Peru 757, Some dude tapes over the air pressure (i think) reader on the outside of the plane to give her a clean. Plane takes off, flies around and starts to get loads of crazy readings. Eventualy crashes into the sea (night-flight) because the computers were telling them it was too high, when it actually wasnt. That "dude" is now sitting in a prison cell in Lima.
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RE: Aviation Crashes - "What Were You Thinkin

Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:34 pm

Sounds like the static port. If that is closed, the ambient air is trapped and gives erroneous readings on the instruments.
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RE: Aviation Crashes - "What Were You Thinkin

Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:37 pm

The Aero Peru flight did have the static ports taped over, but that is not the real cause of the crash.

The crash was caused by a non-instrument qualified pilot being at the controls.

Oh, he may have been instrument rated but he was not qualified. The plane was completely flyable. Basic pitch and power still work, people. The plane was flyable using the non-pitot static instruments. We do that sort of thing all the time in instrument training.

Same deal with the NW ferry flight a few years earlier that crashed because of probe heat being selected OFF. Basic pitch and power. If your rate of climb seems unbelievable, don't believe it.

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