airmale
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How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:16 pm

I for one have lost interest, enjoy it as a hobby but otherwise am not too keen anymore, I read one other member in his post had said he's chosen to ground himself since 2000, the carsh reconstructions on National Geographic and Discovery have also played a big part for me to avoid it.
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m404
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:23 pm

You got my vote.

If I can't pack my camper and see the country - screw it. And this is after 44 years of flying all around the world.
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Womack17
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:35 pm

I have to say that my hesitations in flying is one of a love-hate relationship. I enjoy the experience of flying but don't like the overall experience as a coach passenger. If I can't fly first-class then I don't fly. The differences on every airline I have traveled are still very large.
Oh how I miss Midway Airlines. A class act right to then end.
 
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:50 pm

It is true that the "quantity over quality" concept has become a major one in the airline industry and it really does dampen the joy of flight when you're crammed together with several hundred other people. On a thread about Ryanair's new measures for reducing ticket prices, somebody mentioned something along the lines of passengers being treated like livestock. Like a friend of mine says, the airline industry is assuming the "just send us the money, you don't need to come" attitude. It just doesn't have the spirit, charm and feeling as it did back in the golden days  Smile. The best proof of that is Airbus - just take apart their name and you'll get the modern idea of air travel - an intercity bus with wings. It does add to the mobility of the human race, but it dilutes the joy. It's a normal occurrence. Look at trains. When they started running, being on one was an adventure; now they're as common to see as a car. When you live with one concept for a long time, you adapt to it.

But as for flight as such, nothing can hook me off GA  Big thumbs up

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airbear
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:14 pm

I don't know if anybody read the article, but a recent "Airways" Magazine article described one man's more-or-less non-stop RTW experience on Star Alliance. He only stopped overnight on 2 occasions, and seemed to fly the trip in business class. His conclusions on the experience pretty much sum up my feelings... that is, that it is not so much the airlines themselves (with some exceptions) who have ruined the experience, but the airports.

OK, tighter and more restrictive security is a necessary evil these days, but a lot more can be done by the authorities to make this a more civilised process. Other on-ground functions - customs, baggage service, etc - are fully within the control of airport authorities both private and government, so there is no excuse.

The airlines themselves - especially the so-called "traditional" carriers - are for the most part trying their darndest, I believe. The main exceptions are the new breed of LCC - epitomised by Ryanair. But here, it is up to the travelling public. You cannot have pay next-to-nothing for a trip, and still expect service or even a somehow enjoyable experience. If this is NOT the way we as passengers want the industry to go, the JUST DON"T FLY with these carriers. Simple. These carriers will get the idea very quickly, when their ground staff , pilots and FA's are all playing cards together in the office, because there are NO PAX to take anywhere!
 
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:24 pm

"But as for flight as such, nothing can hook me off GA"

Can you explain this statement to me? Is GA a certain airline? I am not familiar with this
Oh how I miss Midway Airlines. A class act right to then end.
 
airbear
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:33 pm

I think he means General Aviation, as opposed to RPT (Regular Passenger Transport) flying.
 
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Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:04 pm

so long as its not a flight in America, its still cool-I like it in Europe how you re treated like a customer, not a criminal
 
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:12 pm

you re treated like a customer, not a criminal
Perhaps you do not watch "Airline" (or "Airline UK" for that matter  Big grin) but some of the incidents where people are treated like "criminals" are justifiable. Also, do remember what has happened in the US that calls for extra precaution.

Personally, air travel has changed, but no matter what, I will always love it.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

-Will
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HlywdCatft
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:20 pm

Sticking up for the European guys point in this case.

The same events could have easily happened in Europe, remember there were plans to fly a 747 into the Eiffle Tower at one time, but the security there isn't like that of a Police State...

Although, if they had stricter security in Europe, we wouldn't be hearing about Richard Reid either.

At the same time, their security probably isn't singling out 80 year old women either.

On the other hand, I still like air travel once I get past the TSA part of it. I usually don't have problems, a delay here or there but I can live with it
 
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:40 pm

I have more or less lost most of my interest in civil aviation as well. Actually, I enjoy it from an outside perspective as a casual observer, occasional plane spotter, etc. I have flown a moderate amount over the past few years, and my childhood excitement over the thrill of flying gradually has dulled over the last few years.

I guess flying sort of lost its novelty. Coach seats are cramped, and flights are often long and boring. Check-in and security often lengthy and arduous procedures. Lay-overs just extend the overall experience. I used to choose flight routings that had me do multiple layovers so I could see new airports, but now when I need to fly I generally prefer non-stop service.

For me, I was enthused about a vacation not because of where I was headed, but rather I was enthused about how I was going to get there and back. Now I don't really care how I get there and would often prefer a road trip to actually see new and interesting places on the way to the destination.

Most of my flying was done alone, and I think that was a contributing factor as well. Now when I make the occasional flight with my spouse, who is an avid civil aviation fan, it is more enjoyable.
 
ba97
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:18 am

I enjoy it a lot since I changed my perspective a year ago.
My mind changed when I I looked back over the years. In the 1970s, people would pack the car and drive to Florida from Toronto for winter vacation. These people were the lucky ones-oooo vacation in Florida. Then the real special people flew... BIG oooo. Now....you can fly for $150. Planes leaving to every small city in Florida and that is not enough...now you can go to Mexico, or any island for a few hundred. Travel on a plane, passing through airports is now no different than in the 1930s-50s taking the bus. The industry has matured and as with all things, move more people for less cost. Think of in the 1970s when people saved for years to go to Europe. Now....save a few weeks, find a charter and you are there.

People stopped driving to Florida when the price dropped enough and this opened up for more to go. The masses now travel.

Prior to a year ago I was perpetually angry. Service sucked everywhere I looked. I spent 6500$ on a ticket and felt I got 1000$ service. The "Travel experience" was gone. So, like taking a bus....I pack no with a lap top, movies loaded, food packed, I make my own enjoyment. The expectation gap is zapped. If service is great. I am happy. If it sucks...I was not expecting more.

there is economy class, business class, first class...then Concorde..pure class
 
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:55 pm

Ba97, I'm right up there with ya...

I'm flying too much these days to be able to hate it as badly as I did a couple of years ago. And since I'm not going to change the airlines or the U.S. TSA, it occured to me that the only thing I could do was change my attitude.

Now, I fly with reasonably-sized carry-ons instead of checked luggage. I dress comfortably and with security screenings in mind. I take my laptop, a couple of DVDs, a few snacks, and a huge dose of patience. And I figure that if I get where I'm going, within a couple hours of the time I was supposed to, it was a great trip and I got my money's worth.

Call it self-defense, but I'm not spending about two weeks of every month pissed off like I used to.

Cheers,
Leanne
 
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:17 pm

it occured to me that the only thing I could do was change my attitude.

Seems like it's a good attitude at that  Smile I just have to laugh at the people who spend every waking moment pissed off, like it's the airlines' fault their sofa won't fit in the overhead.
 
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:46 pm

Flying is a must for a bird. How could a bird stop flying and not like it ?

I couldn't stop doing so, as I must return every second month to my marital home for one month stays six times a year in southern India, flying from Switzerland.

And luckily I just feel like a bird when flying : It is a must for me and I feel happy to do it .  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Cheers. Kilavoud.
 
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RE: How Many Here Do Not Like Air Travel Anymore

Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:36 am

I think Tranceport said it best for me... kinda sums up where I am too. As a youth aviation was exciting, dynamic and changing dramatically (707s to 747s, the Concorde, Bon Voyage!), and a young adult it became very mainstream and routine (Express Discount carriers, the hub & spoke system) and now as I'm getting older I also just want nonstop flights and often choose the car as a more convenient alternative. I think a 7 hour flight from Toronto to Montreal (peak hour flying, security delays, luggage delays, flight crew delays, connecting passenger delays, de-icing delays, ATC delays, an abbreviated inflight service and finally an aborted landing at YUL due to aircraft on the runway all during a blinding blizzard) pretty much did it in for me. The reality is I could have drove door to door quicker and without any of that hassel. I'm not put off by all the terrorist fears rather the mundane bureaucracy and hassel of preparing and going through the airport processes.. the flights themselves once going down the runways are great and I love it and all the plane types as well, but travelling itself, especially on short and medium haul flights, has frequently become more aggrevation than it's worth.

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