panam330
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Is It "Safe" To Buy A UA Ticket For Febr

Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:16 pm

My parents suggested that we go to Hawaii for vacation this coming February. So, like the "travel guru" I am, I took the liberty of checking ticket prices for a week-long excursion to Honolulu, from Syracuse. The ticket prices are all pretty much the same, give or take $5, which is obviously not a problem at all.

UA chimes in the lowest at $593. Express to ORD then n/s 777 to HNL. I believe there are no PTVs on their HNL flights?
Then comes AA at $597. Eagle to ORD, then n/s 763 to HNL. Obviously no PTVs, but do the HNL-configured 767s have MRTC?
Then NW, also at $597. Express to MSP then n/s DC10 to HNL. No PTVs here, but I've never been on a DC10. Quite rare to fly these days.

The question is, of these three choices, which should I choose? The rare DC10 with ~31" pitch (I'll probably never get another chance to fly it)? MRTC 34" pitch on AA's 763?UA's excellent service on their 777 (32" pitch)? Will UA be here in February to actually fly me there? The PTVs don't really matter- it's my little sister I'm concerned about. I don't want to watch her for 8+ hours  Big grin. It really is a tough decision. Thanks to all that reply  Smile!

Edit: P.S. This is not a UA-bashing thread. I took them to Frankfurt in June, and they've got excellent service, PTVs (777 only Sad), and some of the cleanest planes around.

[Edited 2004-08-04 08:28:06]
 
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RE: Is It "Safe" To Buy A UA Ticket For

Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:20 pm

This is gonna trigger a bunch of angry replies from the United backers....Duck, cover, and hold PanAm330 Smile
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RE: Is It "Safe" To Buy A UA Ticket For

Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:22 pm

I'd take NW's DC-10. It's a rare occurence these days and you can take AA's 763's and UA's 777's anytime.

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Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:22 pm

Have no fear about buying a ticket on UA....we WILL be here next Feb. and many February's to come!
 
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:44 pm

Traditionally the domestic tickets of bankrupt airlines that ceased operating have been honored by other domestic carriers on a space-available, standby basis. This is not true of international tickets.

Thus, so long as your exact time of travel isn't important, a UAL ticket to Hawaii should be a safe purchase regardless of what might happen to UAL.

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Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:02 pm

Well, admittedly it has been awhile since I flew a NW DC-10, but even being smaller then I am now (about 20 years ago), flying on a DC-10 from MSP to LAX felt like a sardine can with the 2-5-2 rows (even with me sitting in a window seat). Now I suppose it might have been a 2-4-2 arrangement, but I am pretty sure it was 2-5-2 in coach. If the seat pitch and seat arrangement is better these days, then a DC-10 ride might be interesting if you've never done one before. But personally I like the 767 seat layout and the 777 seems roomier with its wider cabin and taller roof (helped by the overhead bin design).
 
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:05 pm

Well, if you have already started accruing frequent flier miles on United from your trip to Frankfurt, I would personally stick with them. It's always good to stick with one frequent flier program. You will be well on your way to earning a free ticket. Through the Star Alliance, you will be able to accrue United miles on US Airways, Air Canada, and Lufthansa, just to name a few. Personally, I do not think an antiquated DC-10 is anything to write home about. Enjoy your trip.

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Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:45 pm

MRTC is the standard configuration on all of AA's aircraft except the 757 and AB6. So, yes, MRTC is configured on the 763s.
 
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RE: Is It "Safe" To Buy A UA Ticket For

Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:54 pm

If the concern is UA's future, and gambling on the tickets, pay for them with a credit card. Many credit cards will cover you if an airline/travel tour/cruise line goes under, and you get re-accommodated. It is best to check with your credit card company in any event. UA Has taken great strides to make reforms to their internal business, and I find it difficult to believe that they would fall. I don't know of any of the 777 long hauls (UA) that don't have PTV's.
If comfort is your game, go for AA's MRTC. Their service is excellent as well.
The days are slowly counting down for your opportunity to ride a DC-10. These will be gradually replaced by A-330's in the coming years.

Hope this helps!

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Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:02 am

Considering UA has $1 billion in DIP financing to play with until June 2005, you'll be just fine!

Oh and: 777 > DC10
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RE: Is It "Safe" To Buy A UA Ticket For

Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:13 am

You can fly with B777 whenever you want in the future, but DC-10s are getting rare. I would definitely choose NW and the DC-10 purely due the type of the aircraft. Take the DC-10 when you still have a chance!!

A few years ago I took Fokker 100 instead of B727... Never flown on B727 and I most likely missed my only chance then. I can't forgive for myself even today...

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Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:25 am

Personal biases aside, I agree with sticking to UA for the FF miles...and the service.

If worse comes to worst, UA will slowly sell off their assets, routes, etc. It will take them longer than February to do all that, so they'll still be in business then one way or another.

I know we're all airline junkies, but turning down a 777 (or even a 67) for a DC-10? You've got to be kidding. Sentimental is flying Concorde before it reitred--not a DC-10. Ugh!
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Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:29 am

Us a credit card for piece of mind. Remember though if they should close down and another airline might accept the ticket, the other airline will do it on a stand by bases and that time of the year the flights can and will be FULL!
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RE: Is It "Safe" To Buy A UA Ticket For

Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:43 am

I would take the NW DC-10. Very rare to find in US, and not around that much longer. Escpecially if non of the other flights have PTV's I would go w/ NW since for IFE, it would be the same for all the flights. If you don't do this, I would go w/ AA for MRTC, however, I've seen some flights from ORD-HNL do sometimes have the PTV's 777, but not much.
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RE: Is It "Safe" To Buy A UA Ticket For

Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:50 am

Frankly a plane is a plane... go with what is cheapest and an airline that meets your FFP needs. Perhaps one of the airlines has a better schedule as well. But it seems that United works best for you.
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Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:24 am

I don't know what exact time you would be planning in Feb. to fly, but I did a random search on CO from 2/5 - 2/12 from SYR-HNL. I got for $647.50 CO connection to EWR, than to HNL of 767-400. The same route coming back just opposite. I know it's a little more money, but CO's ERJ's are VERY nice, all leather seats. Plus, w/ CO 764's, you get the new interiors plus PTV's!! To make the flight go by. Just another option if money isn't that big of a deal.


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panam330
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RE: Is It "Safe" To Buy A UA Ticket For

Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:19 am

Hey everybody! I appreciate the all of the replies  Smile!

COEWR2587,

I don't want to take CO on the trip, because they're all I take everywhere else, with the exception of my trip to Germany last month. I assume you can get CO miles for a flight on NW, correct?

I've decided to go with either NW or AA. It really is a tough decision. Comfortable seat pitch, or a DC10. It may not be the Concorde, but I'll probably regret choosing the extra 2" of leg space over a tri-jet a few years from now. The funny thing is, I have a better chance getting on a DC10 than an MD11. That just plain sucks. I'll just have to see how it works out.

P.S. I'm going in late February. It's cheaper that way  Big grin. Haha.
 
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RE: Is It "Safe" To Buy A UA Ticket For

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:25 pm

I'm just wondering, how is it cheaper in late February? That's Presidents Day Weekend. Prices are usually higher.
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