voodoo
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No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:05 pm

Ever been stuck at a no-window window seat? You just get a blank wall.
Worst-case scenario: you pay extra to book the seat (charter flight) because you know there'll be something interesting to see and then the plane is so full you can't ask to be moved once you discover the error. I suppose the only consolation is that its a good place to lean up to and fall asleep...providing there is no leaky draft.

A useful list would include no-window `window seats' i.e. seat.no./aircraft/airline?
Good luck to those on the Iran Air 747SP pleasure flight who booked a `window'!


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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:14 pm

Seats 08AF on AB B737-700 - stare at the wall for your entire flight. Especially bad if you have paid the hefty 9 Euro fee per segment for a seat reservation.  Sad
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:28 pm

Happens to me a few times. Fortunately, the seat was situated in such a way that I could see comfortably enough to look out through the window infront and behind of me.
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:40 pm

This happens to me all to much. I remember a Condor 767-300 from DTW-MUC I was in row 13 and it had no window so did row 15 I think. Also for some reason it was an ATA 757 I got stuck with now window. And just this past week going from PRG-AMS on a KLM737 I had no seat in row 8. I'm never happy when this happens and I feel that it should be listed in the computer at check-in so you can be warned about this.
 
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:56 pm

Yes, on a BA 757 on the way to ATH. Can't remember where it was, probably somewhere around row 8 to row 16.
 
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:57 pm

The reason these "no window" window seats occur (at least with the 757 and, I think, the 767) is the proximity to the front of the engine. In case the turbine were to fail catastrophically, it's a lot easier for debris to penetrate a window as opposed to the fuselage.

I vaguely remember someone dying on a Delta MD-88 from debris due to an engine failure. Maybe someone else has a better memory of that incident.

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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:01 pm

A useful list would include no-window `window seats' i.e. seat.no./aircraft/airline?
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Fortunately, the seat was situated in such a way that I could see comfortably enough to look out through the window infront and behind of me.


I may not be able to provide you with a list but I do believe that on US' 733s and 734s, either seats 6A & F, 7A & F or 8A & F are 'no-window' window seats. On my recent r/t PHL-DFW flights (both on a US 733) while I was sitting in row 4, I looked behind a couple of times and noticed the blank wall on next to a window seat about 2 to 4 rows behind me.

On the Saab 340, I believe that rows 1 & 2 are no-window window seats. I flew in the Saab 340 several times to/from TOL on either XJ or C8.
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:36 pm

Seats to avoid:
1. Emergency exit row seats plus the ones immediately in front and behind
2. Front and rear row seats per cabin (eg behind and in front of bulkhead)
3. In front of or behind galleys.

This does not apply to all planes but is a reasonable assumption on most. ought to mention this kind of detail but for some reason it doesn't appear to.

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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:38 pm

On the DC-9 and it's succesor MD series the last row of seat do not have a window, and the 2 rows in front of this one have windows that are blocked by the engine.
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:39 pm

I had one of these seats on a NW 757 flight from DTW-MCO. Didn't mind too much as it was a night flight so there wasn't much to look at, but it was bloody noisy being sat next to the air con duct.

The reason these "no window" window seats occur (at least with the 757 and, I think, the 767) is the proximity to the front of the engine. In case the turbine were to fail catastrophically, it's a lot easier for debris to penetrate a window as opposed to the fuselage.

More often, the lack of a window is for air conditioning ducting to move from the packs located in the wingbox up to the roof of the aircraft.

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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:16 pm

I flew on a Mesaba/NW Airlink Saab 340 from GFK - MSP and was put in 2A, which has no window. Actually it was fine, because that's the only time i've ever slept on an airplane, even considering my numerous international trips. I liked it in that respect!
 
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:27 pm

Seatguru.com will tell you which seats don't have windows for many airlines (pretty much every plane flying for a US major, including connection, and the long-haul planes of several airlines). I always check here to make sure my "window" seat actually has a window next to it.

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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:35 pm

Seats 08AF on AB B737-700 - stare at the wall for your entire flight. Especially bad if you have paid the hefty 9 Euro fee per segment for a seat reservation.
AF makes you pay for a seat reservation?  Insane

Sites like http://www.seatguru.com/ and http://www.v-flyer.com/seats.asp are good for that type of stuff. I remember there being other sites, but I cannot find them.

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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:51 pm

Airlines should make it compusory for check-in staff to warn passengers seated in these seats about the lack of a window. It has happened too many times to me - I ask for a window seat but then there's no window!
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:01 am

Seats 08AF on AB B737-700 - stare at the wall for your entire flight. Especially bad if you have paid the hefty 9 Euro fee per segment for a seat reservation.
AF makes you pay for a seat reservation?


He's not talking about Air Frog, he said Air Berlin (AB B737-700).
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:08 am

Been doing some Googling viz. A330-200 (I am booked on My Travel version next week in row 14 `window' outbound, row 11 return... no idea yet):

But anyway:
Edelweiss 330: no windows in rows 8 and 27.
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:02 am

Neilalp,

When was Condor here in DTW and what was it doing here? Had to be some charter or something. They should do that again for the Oktoberfest.
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Sat Aug 14, 2004 6:05 am

Re: The comments on the Saab.

The Saab 340 in icing conditions can send pretty decent sized chunks of ice flying into the side of the fuse abeam the prop. There is a possibilty that it "may" penetrate a window if one was there. Hence they put a strengthener in place.

Next time you get the chance, have a look at the strengthener plate. It will look like it has been shot at with a machine gun. These are replaced over time.

The seats are in row 2. When I was working check-in during chapter 11 at Hazelton Airlines, we would always tell the pax seating in that row, that there was NO window.
 
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:03 am

Seats to avoid:
1. Emergency exit row seats plus the ones immediately in front and behind
2. Front and rear row seats per cabin (eg behind and in front of bulkhead)


I'd rather have the legroom than a window any day...unless it's an A346 then you have the damned seatbelts in the exit row and bulkhead seats!
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:11 pm

Once on a CO 733, horrible for a 3 hour flight. Then some kid kept closing the window shade of the window I had, which was way ahead of me.
 
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:36 am

If you fly AirTran, Do not sit in rows 30, or 31. 31 is completely blocked, and 30 has a great panoramic view of... the engine.
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:29 am

Yes, MAN-HER, 3.5 hrs without a window!  Wow!  Big grin in a Finnair B752 in charter config operating for Air Scandic who were operating the particular flight for Flyjet!
It was pretty pissing off.... I can't remember where, somewhere in the first dozen rows I think.
 
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RE: No-window `window Seats'?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 9:09 am

Flying with Monarch on A330-200s recently, my sister was stuck in 9A (the row behind the front row of economy next to the main door), which had no window. I don't think she found being squashed up against the wall for a total of 11+ hours with no window much fun.
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