jetliner145
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:29 am

Hello all,
I have a Hotel room booked from Jan. 1-Jan. 8 In Cancun,MX, and I have been looking at airfares and right now US Airways is the cheapest. Would you think that it would be safe book book for a flight that far in the future, especially since US is not looking to good. Any and all replys will be useful.
Thanks in advance.

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burnsie28
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:39 am

No seeing how somewhere their CEO said if they do not get 800 million in concessions they will fold by the end of September.
 
flybyguy
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:43 am

If the USairways fare is cheaper by far then you have no choice but to use them. But if I were you, and the fare was only a few dollars cheaper I would give myself peace of mind and find another airline.

If USairways survives till January then more power to them... but if they don't, at least your vacation will not be ruined by pre-recorded phone messages "regrettably informing our passengers that..." or mile long queues at the airport ended at counters buzzing with frustrated USairways employees.

[Edited 2004-08-27 02:46:17]
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DeltaMD11
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:46 am

Personally, I wouldn't book with US Airways that far in advance. If you were going next weekend, perhaps. But not January. Their financial situation is ever worsening and quite honestly I don't expect to see them around much longer if things don't dramatically improve. They've held on for a long time, but judgement day is coming. Spend your money with another company--one with decent service. I might make a recommendation of Continental---r/t $353.00 per person (plus all applicabal taxes).

~Bryan
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Matt D
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:00 am

I, like many people believe that US's days are numbered (and have been for awhile).

I too wouldn't recommend booking too far in advance on them-if at all.

It may still be argued whether or not their shutdown is coming.

As with any business that's in its death throes, when you start to see truly ludicrous fares published by US (i.e. LAX-PHL $79 r/t), that is a last ditch effort to raise cash. So beware.

When you see that, it will be all but certain that their death is imminent, most likely only days away.
 
deltairlines
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:05 am

I am most likely booking a trip on US for next weekend, as Labour Day fares are quite low (right now, looking like a daytrip to TPA). I am booked on them for November, but I don't think I'll be getting on a US Airways Express plane back to Boston, instead, I think I'll be on some other airline.

I too would advise against booking that flight...the more I'm reading, the more it looks like US won't be around...don't get me wrong, I love US, and I would love them to survive (especially since they are the most convinient option for me out of Greensboro)...however, looks like it will be back to Delta for me next year (unless American strengthens their GSO presence significantly).

Jeff
 
vatveng
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:07 am

First it was the occasional "Is US Airways dead yet?" post. Then weekly. Now a couple of times a day, somebody asks "Are they dead yet?"

Trust me, IF anything bad happens, there will be a post on here within half a second of any grounding, stoppage, etc. Lots of people on this forum are paying very close attention to every time a US Airways flight attendant sneezes. (It's creepy, really, when you think about it.)

I wish things were different. I wish US had better management, better planes (seriously, they have the worst fleet in the air in my opinion as a member of the flying public, and they rely MUCH too heavily on their express operation) and a better financial situation. Not to mention a better business climate... then we wouldn't have to endure the "Is Delta/United/AA/ATA/Continental dead yet?" threads either.
 
aa757first
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:00 pm

On Expedia, NW is $633, codeshare with Continental (appears to be your favorite). US is $703. Who ever you used must have routed you through FLL. Expedia is routing you through CLT.

If you were planning this for a while and really looking forward to, I would say don't use US. If this was sorta like, hey this is a really good hotel deal, I'll book it, then I guess I would use US. If you do book through US, just make sure you use a credit card.

Enjoy Cancun,
AAndrew
 
cancidas
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:04 pm

yes, it is safe to book the flights!
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freshlove1
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:13 pm

It is perfectly fine to book with US. Nice to see the wanna be airline CEO's on here have all the information on the situation. You people make me laugh, and I would love to know how some think that we have the worst fleet in the air. Do you have a source or facts to back that up? because to me it sounds like a bunch of B.S. We rely much to heavily on our express ops??. Apparently you have not been looking at DL or UA lately. Seems to me that they have just as many if not more express flights, so what your saying is that UA and DL don't rely on express as much and everything is alright overthere??, besides express is just as safe as mainline and the employees are equally trained if not better trained then the mainline guys as they have to do more then 1 job function on any given day.
 
daumueller
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:29 pm

guys,

no offense but: people like you make the situation even worse for great airlines like US. If people don't book on them any more, there is not even a little chance for them to survive.

cheers,

ben
 
flybyguy
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:07 pm

Daumueller,

But why take a chance with your hard earned money?

"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
 
rwylie77
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:38 pm

"Flybyguy wrote: But why take a chance with your hard earned money?"

What utter rubbish - just book by credit card to be safe, all airlines have the insurance required and are members of IATA so you are guaranteed a refund if they fold, and booking by a good credit card will also provide that added piece of mind. The only frustration is if they do fold, is having to re-book and potentially having to pay slightly more for booking it closer to your flight.

So will everybody please stop offering opinions that are incorrect. It is people like you who finally killed off Branniff as people had no confidence in booking with them towards the end, and it was these people who ended up killing the airline!

 
Cory6188
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:16 pm

How much is the difference between US's fare and CO's fare of $353? If the fare difference isn't more than $50, I would stick with CO. US's finances are too unstable at the moment to book any long term travel, and CO isn't going anywhere in the near future - they are one of most financially stable majors in the US right now. CO has also been noted for its consistently good inflight service - read some of the trip reports about people's recent CO experiences. You will be on a new, clean, well-maintained aircraft and will probably get a meal.

If for some reason you don't want CO, I would say that NW would be the next most stable, although MSY-DTW wouldn't exactly be the most convenient routing, especially in comparison to IAH. You could also go with AA - they're doing okay financially, and you could make a connection in DFW.

In my opinion, I wouldn't book anything on US until I know that they will be okay. And even if you would be protected by the credit card company, why deal with the hassle of having to rebook and hope that you can still find flights that work?
 
DeltaMD11
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Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:37 pm

Just adding a bit to my comments I made previously on this thread....in part to refute the wanna be airline CEO's comments (I'm not sure that comment was directed towards me, but I'll defend myself at any rate). The situation has to be bad if senior level management officials are coming out with statements that "Southwest has come to kill us", "We only have a few months of cash left", etc. etc. Sure, that is in part to try to wriggle some more wage concessions out of the employees, but part of that is fact. First off, US's employees are already pissed off and tired of managements gimmicks. Being in PHL, I have had the chance to experience the employees dismay with their employer first hand. The last time I flew US Airways was last December and that will be the last time. Rude, pushy, inconsiderate ground personnel and staff that just gave you the feeling of "I hate my job". Plus, when you're walking down the concourse and two US F/A's walk up to eachother and throw their arms around one another with the comment: "It's so good to see you! Merry Christmas!" The other one goes: "Yeah, it's probably our last".

Like I said above, if it's cheaper and more convenient to book with US and the flight is sometime within the not too distant future I'd say go ahead and book. But months in advance, and with their ratings being dropped again by S&P they're litterally on a wing and a prayer. I don't have much faith that they will survive. Sure they've done a great job getting their operating costs lower, but they're still one of the highest in the industry. Mix that up with a little hot and heavy competition in one of their most important cities, pissed off employees, credit ratings dropping....the list goes on. I've said for 2 years now that US would be the first to go when this mish-mosh of airline woes really got kicked off, and I still stand firm in my belief. Welcome to the late 80s early 90's all over again!

Bottom line, book with CO for $353 (I found that fare on travelocity if you were wondering, unless the fare you have with US is ridiculously low) and enjoy your trip. If US is unable to provide service for you to CUN in January you'll run the risk of trying to find a last minute fare (and around that time of the year fares are through the roof), losing your hotel booking if you show up late, etc. But on the flip side, maybe I'm wrong and US will pull through this all. And in all actuality I hope that I am wrong. But the situation does not look very promising to me. This is just from me, a concerned aviation enthusiast who wishes the best for the industry and it breaks my heart to see airlines going down the toilet. It happens.

[Edited 2004-08-27 16:47:22]
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N6376M
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:37 am

Only if you want to have to deal with a ticket refund from your credit card company.
 
flybyguy
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:55 am

I agree with N6376m.

Why go through the hassle of postponing your vacation Jetliner145 even if you could get a refund from your credit card company or the IATA.

The fact of the matter is that if USair goes under none of us will be on hold with you or feel frustrated with you while you get the runaround by every refund association under the sun. Its your money anyway do what you feel is most comfortable.

I think you should spend more time in the sun (and on the beach too Smile/happy/getting dizzy) if you ask me... Enjoy your vacation  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ... fly with another airline and save yourself the worry... I'm sure you have better things to worry about.
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UA744KSFO
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:58 am

I would book with US. Even if things look bad for them, why would they just close up shop without filing for bankruptcy and trying to resturcture first? I would think this would at least buy them some time.
 
Venezuela747
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:52 am

How much are you paying for th US tickets, I found a fcouple of flights for those dates on NW connecting on MEM for around 570$.
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AZjetgeek
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:41 am

My initial reaction to the thread starter was to say, "What, are you nuts?!"

However, both Freshlove1 and Rwylie77 made very important points and I agree with them. US CEO's comments quoted in here were taken out of context. If they are accurate, and he's insistent on his "gloom and doom" theatrics, then the board at US should fire his sorry butt immediately. Statements that forecast impending collapse fuel the fire. They discourage people from booking any flights with that airline.

As Rwylie77 appropriately pointed out, it is this type of reaction which turned out to be one of the final straws in Braniff's coffin. Travel agents were discouraging customers from booking flights on Braniff. Other reservation systems started to refuse to book flights for the airline. This dropped their load factors into the 20 percent range. An airline simply cannot survive on such low load factors.

So, those who advised against booking the January flight on US, if you truly support US, then stop discouraging their potential customers from booking flights with US. If you want a repeat of Braniff, just continue with your "sky is falling" mantra and you will succeed in killing US.

As a footnote, I last flew on US in Dec. 2001. Flew on a 753 on the outbound flight, PHX-CLT. Returned to PHX on a 320. The service was average. The outbound flight was comfortable, but the inbound was very rough over West Texas. It was probably some of the worst turbulence I've ever encountered, but that's not US' fault.

I do hope US survives. There are just too many jobs at stake, not to mention the impact their collapse will have on their vendors and the vendors at the airports they serve. CLT will likely become a shadow of its former self. What they do need to do is either muzzle their CEO or fire him immediately.
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dantiger
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 10:35 am

Considering my experience flying US, I wouldn't book a flight for this evening. Their fleet age and condition make Aroflot's fleet look like new Concordes.
 
captaink
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 11:01 am

Some of you people are either crazy or just really idle? What utter BS about US fleet age. SO the never ending "US is going belly up" is getting stale so now it is safety of fleet concern?

Alot of american carriers fly older aircraft, and those planes are well maintained and paid for. And guess what, they fly, they fly well.

I have been on US countless times. Usually I fly their Airbus aircraft but I have been on their 752, 743, 733 as mainline. Old? Sure! But they didn't seem that older than the AA 752 or some of the MD-80's I have been on. They were good aircraft. Some no doubt has seen better days, but most airlines, have a few aircraft types that have seen better days. And I have seen this to be case with a few American carriers, but the aircraft are fine.

NW flies DC-9's. Imagine DC-9's. If the same ignorance of some of you prevailed, you would say NW is like a "third world" (though alot of 3rd world airlines have very mordern fleets) airline. But their DC-9's are very nice aircraft. They well kept, redone and they fly well. But they are old, and much older than US 737's and 757's.

Stick with the topic. We all can accept they are doing poorly when it comes to finances. But don't come with utter nonsense about their fleet being too old now. Next I might hear from some of you that their color scheme is too dark, may cause accidents at night.. Get a life guys, and stop try to bury US before they die.....
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RogerThat
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:07 pm

This seems to be the most popular topic on a.net these days. When will US go down for the count has replaced When will NW retire their DC9s.

But back to the topic at hand, don't book a flight now on US Air for travel to CUN in January. That's a busy time of the year and there won't be a lot of spare seats on other carriers if US can't make it thru the winter. It's just not worst the risk.

Captaink - US Air's color scheme is hideous. Maybe they will paint them a new color before the park them in MHV and VCV.
 
dantiger
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:32 pm

Captaink. I am neither crazy or idle and I find your remarks rude and offensive. Yes old planes fly fine as long as they are maintained by well qualified individuals who are happy with their jobs.
The moral at US is below the radar scale. From the pilots, desk clerks, flight crew (see earlier post on their hug at the airport) to the mechanics and baggage handlers. It is an intricate chain that is made up of links. One link becomes weak and the chain, in time, will break.
In the future I suggest that after a bad day at the office you kiss your wife, hug your kids, sit down in your favorite chair with a dry Martini and pet your dog for awhile before logging into any forum.
 
supa7E7
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:48 pm

Dantiger, on the contrary, your remarks seem ill-informed and inflammatory. Do you really know people in all those segments of US Airways? Are you saying that the workers are performing poorly, and if so, what evidence do you have?

The publicly available stats show that US is about average in operations and customer satisfaction, in some cases better than average.

[Edited 2004-08-28 06:59:27]
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dantiger
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:13 pm

Supa, I am talking about moral. It does not take Freud to explain that human beings that are worried, angry and insecure are not going to perform any task as well as those who are happy and satisfied with their place in this world.
Please go back and read some of the other comments as to the mood and attitude of employees they have observed. The old saying "They are not happy campers" comes to mind.
I am indeed sorry if I "Inflamed" you. I suspect your serious inflammation might well be a result of US stock you own and I suggest you turn your ire at your broker and not me.
Also I would very much like to see these "publicly available statistics" you refer to. Where can I get a copy and what was the source of this report?
The ostrich method might work in the wilds, but in this "dog eat dog" world we live in, you are most likely to receive a swift kick in the butt.
 
cancidas
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:09 pm

freshlove, just wait bro. do what you gotta do and motivate all the other to hlep the airline. we'll prove the nay-sayers wrong! just you wait!
"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
 
Flightlover
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:16 pm

Indeed these threads about "Is US Airways dead next week or the week after?" have been discussed millions of times on this forum. As early as January a lot of people were saying that US will not survive more than a couple of months. It's still flying and now it's a member of Star Alliance. I wouldn't worry too much and book with them!!!
 
BCALdavid
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:24 am

I'd go ahead and book. You'll get a refund if the airline does go. Struggling airlines need support, not people flocking away on the off chance they go out of business. Someone started a rumor about Swiss on here a while ago and people started cancelling left, right and centre. Swiss are still flying, albeit with less revenue after the rumor.

I'll book on US Airways anytime!
 
supa7E7
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RE: Should I Book On US Airways For Next Jan?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:26 am

Dantiger,

Good morning. You might like to look at the Air Travel Consumer Report here which has detailed info on on-time arrivals, denied boardings, and consumer complaints. It is published monthly by the DOT and is considered the benchmark.

US is not Singapore Airlines, but for a domestic carrier, they seem to be operationally fine according to these statistics.
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