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Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:37 am

I guess this topic must have been posted before, or at least a similar one. Which is the approach pilots consider as the most difficult on airports nowadays???

I'll be looking forward to trying it on FS2004! jeje

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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:50 am

St. Barths! That one is very Tricky. Also, there is one at Courchevel Altiport that is difficult.
 
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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:53 am



Hey guys! Been away for a while but now im back and looking forward to some interesting chats. Anyway, back to the topic, hard approaches for pilots :

TGU - Short runway, high terrain in surrounding areas. Pilots need special training for landing at TGU. Spectacular as a passenger though.

I ve heard some approaches in Alaska and Austria are quite tough as well.

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Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:54 am

Any NDB approach with a crosswind.
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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:05 am

I must agree with Petazulu. St. Barts probably is one of the top 5 tricky airports out there. And yes, a special rating/training is required to fly in there. How such training is conducted is beyond me!
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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:19 am

It's hard to pin it down to one. Here are a couple:

- Kai Tak. Yes I know it no longer exists. Anyway I got to try it in a CAE full motion simulator. Greased the 762!!!
- Funchal
- Innsbruck
- Faro (Bhutan)
- Courchevel
- Any number of Norwegian airports.


This site gives a lot of interesting info and has a comprehensive list: http://www.dangerous-airports.com/. It's primarily geared towards FS but does contain approach plates and so on. Click on "DAD" in the left margin for a list.



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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:16 am

I always thought this was a tough one, but I did not see it on the list at DAD.


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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:17 am

Here it is on the DAD: http://www.dangerous-airports.com/airports/t/tncm.htm

"Rwy 09/27 length 7054'."

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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:20 am

hows tncm hard? Fly in straight, no terrain, beautiful scenery.....its easy if you ask me. And a steep turn after takeoff, Thats at many places.
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:24 am

Not a pilot but I would agree. There are much harder approaches.
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:31 am

I nominate KCRW. Hills, valleys, windshear
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:35 am

I been told Lugano is one of the most challenging in the world.

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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:36 am

Canarsie Approach into JFK would have to be up there. Maybe the expressway visual into LGA too.
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:37 am

JFK. All those darned NIMBYS you have to resist the temptation of divebombing Big grin
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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:45 am

Hi,

Sion airport in the Swiss Alps has a very difficult approach. Pilots needs a special license. This airport is essentially a military base, but there are some flights to LHR, LGW, PRG and ZRH in winter.


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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:49 am

KSAN, San Diego Intl, California, ranks up there for the US. As you're on the approach, you're window-level with the office buildings a few thousand feet on either side...pretty dang neat to see people staring at you in your 767! Also it's not that long of a runway, so you've got to stop, and fast...

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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:31 am

Does anyone have any information on Cuzco, Peru (CUZ)? I'm not a pilot but I'm told that the pilot has to bank the plane between two mountains (because it wouldn't fit horizontally, at least not safely) and then drop the bird on the runway, in a sort of "one shot deal" approach, with no ILS available. All of this is done at around 12,000 feet above sea level.
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:45 am

SAN's runway is plenty long Delta - it just has one monster of a displaced threshold  Big grin
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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:20 am

Blackbird1331, SXM is the easiest airport to get into. Getting out is the tricky part!

Secondly, I was reading something here the other day about an airport somewhere is South America, Brazil is think it is, thats like 5000ft(just a guess) long. Aircraft barely come within inches of the fence to land. I must dig that up...
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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:29 pm

Funchal must be a notoriously difficult approach, one miscalculation and the aircraft could topple over the runway, mounted on pillars, into the sea.

Several years back it was reported that the chief pilot of an unnamed British airline nearly missed the approach and his airline subsequently banned all further flights into Funchal.


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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:31 pm

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SXM is really a dangerous airport. The distraction factor can be very high!

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Imagine having a job on Maho Beach for SXM, looking for beautiful women, just to warn the planes...  Nuts

Well to be more serious, would the most dangerous airport be the one with the most crashes relatively? Airports located in areas with war does not count.

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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:23 pm

ABZ is meant to be a diffucult approach, particularly in
winter time due to bad cross-winds. many flights have to
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:51 pm

BTW - Blackbird1331: Got o http://www.pjiae.com/ goto "About pjiae" and choose "fact sheet" and find the info you asked about.

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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:16 am

If using Flight Sim , try visuals onto runway 08 at INN, but I presume that the checkerboard appraoach would be up there.
 
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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:17 am

I was on a flight a couple of years ago into Funchal, I never get scared on a plane, but on this landing I was a bit sweaty.

On an A320, missed the first, landed on second attempt and my backside was biting the seat on breaking, turned off and was staring at a huge drop below. All week I was thinking about the take-off out off there.

A good one to experience.

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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:50 pm

I've been on the Canarsie Approach on a Jetblue A320. I wasn't worried  Smile Watching the heavies make that turn especially an A340-600 is pretty cool.
 
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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:32 pm

WLG is a dangerous airport to land and take off from because of its runway, Cook Strait and rocks at the Southern end and Hills, Wellington Harbour, rocks State Highway 1 and trolley bus wires at the Northern end

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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:35 pm

WLG is also know for its high winds and it's not so friendly weather.
 
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Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:54 am

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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:26 pm

Melilla, the Spanish enclave in Northern Morocco. It´s a tiny airport in a tiny piece of land. Officialy the Spanish planes are not allowed to enter Moroccan airspace here, but landing on runway 15 there is a narrow corridor overland, coming in over the Mediterranean. Landing on runway 33, this means coming in along the shore and a steep right turn to get lined up. You can see the double fences and guards along the border. The airport doesn´t have landing aids. Air Nostrum currently flies there with ATR´s and Dash 8´s from Madrid, Malaga, Almeria and Granada.
 
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RE: Most Difficult Approach For Pilots

Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:54 pm

Here are two of the most difficult in the U.S. for Airlines

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