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Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:45 pm

I was looking at a photo of OA from 1973 and they still have the same livery up to this day.Do any other airlines have such an old livery?
What airlines need a new one?
 
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:54 pm

How about AA? They still don't have one, all their aircraft are naked!  Nuts

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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:05 pm

I would say Air France, their plane could have a nicer livery. I know it a classic, but something darker can be great, so the planes won't look so dirty  Wink/being sarcastic

And the Airbus factory livery could also get a re-look, a least for the A380 launching.

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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:12 pm

IMO, I think it would be cool to see more than just one CO plane in the Peter Max colors. Does anyone think CO's livery would be better if all of CO's planes looked like the Peter Max 777?
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:14 pm

I'd say AA for sure. How long have they had this livery. I would suggest keeping the bare metal finish but tweaking the painted/decal parts, maybe take the old prop era scheme and mordernize it, that woud look sweet and elegant to me.
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:16 pm

Milemaster, the text on that image is not even proper English. If you're trying to make a bold statement, at least make a grammatically correct one (and maybe clean up the compression some, it looks terrible).

Anyway, I'd agree AA could use a new livery - the fuselage-length stripes thing went out with the 1980's. Yes, it's a classic livery, but then so are a lot of liveries we don't have anymore (AA's previous livery is much better than the current one anyway, if you want to talk "classic").

Southwest is in dire need of a new livery, though I doubt it'll ever happen. Both of their currently-used liveries (blue and orange, tan and orange) are absolutely hideous and always have been.
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:22 pm

, I think it would be cool to see more than just one CO plane in the Peter Max colors. Does anyone think CO's livery would be better if all of CO's planes looked like the Peter Max 777?

um... no.
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:34 pm

AA livery is fine. Silver/metallic is shinier. Shiny attracts attention.
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:44 pm

I would love to see Continental get a make-over. While I like the golden-globe on the tail, the body of the aircraft is very "blah". I like the old meatball livery much better. It had a lot of character and was very brand-identifiable.

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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:53 pm

I'd say the following airlines really need a new livery:

1. America West Airlines: Their first livery was well ahead of its time and correctly anticipated the main features of 1990s livery design, and indeed probably would still be viable today. Their current 1990s though looks appallingly "last-decade", with tacky, strange-looking letters and a hideous shade of red clashing with the various turquoise bits. A new livery would be a great way to highlight the current transformation of America West airlines from a dysfunctional basketcase to a modern, quality-service airline under Doug Parker.

2. Etihad Airways: When your airline is using what looks like the font from a Star Trek movie for its main titles, you know you have an identity problem. Eithad's livery is garish, overbearing and to be frank, bizarre. What's even more amazing is that it's a recent design. Does anyone in Abu Dhabi actually know how to design a brand?

3. Phucket Air: Since they currently don't have a livery and simply paint their titles on the old liveries of the AC they buy (or reuse US Airway's Metrojet scheme), this one's a no-brainer.

4. Aerolineas Argentinas: Their current "new" livery is one of the most boring designs ever applied to an airliner. They should freshen up with a livery more evocative of Argentina's rich culture.

5. Grupo Taca: The livery of the Central American airline system is heavy, depressing and irrelevant. It would look great on a hearse, but on an airliner it is rather subpar.

6. WestJet: Their strange looking turqoise and green livery is eerily reminscent of the odd-looking livery of North Central and later Republic Airlines in the US, and is every bit as ugly.

7. Alaska Airlines: Alaska really needs to refresh their image with something crisper and more elegant. Ditto for Horizon. The current color schemes for the two airlines are a winning combination, but the titles need to be cleaned up, and I think it's time to take Johnny Cash off the tail...

8. ATA: American Trans Air may be in bad financial health. Should they go into bankruptcy, they should probably aim to emerge with a newer, better image that's crisper, more up-to-date and less cheesy.

9. Delta: A really stupid look (and I'm consoled to note that Grinstein agrees with me) but agreeing with Grinstein, this being the third livery since 1998 or so I don't think we're going to see another change. I do wish they'd bring back the Widget scheme which continues to persist on a handful of their fleet...alas.

10. Continental: Continental's livery is elegant and classy, and of the liveries I've listed here deserves replacement the least. Nonetheless, it is out of date, and it is also very bland. While the titles et cetera do go a long way towards conveying Continental's "caring" image and quality service, they are totally devoid of flamboyance, and basically make Continental out to be an average airline. Continental clearly isn't, and a return to something flamboyant, on a par with "The Proud Bird With The Golden Tail" would be really refreshing to employees and customers alike.

I'm not going to go suggest that the airlines race to Modified Airliner Photos and take a look at what RP Abraham and the artists there have come up with, which seems fashionable on a.net these days ("Well, I really like this new livery by
I think probably the best image transition in recent times, and one which should be the model for all airlines, is that of United. Since 1998 they've slowly phased in a new corporate identity, first by reviving their 1960s-era titles, then phasing those titles in over signage, equipment, their website, tickets, et cetera, and finally in 2004, 6 years after the transition began, introducing a new livery fully integrated with their new corporate image. This identity-transition should be a role model for other airlines, and was vastly more effective than the transitions seen elsewhere, for example, Northwest, where you have two conflicting, irreconciable signage systems in place.

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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:07 pm

Milemaster, the text on that image is not even proper English. If you're trying to make a bold statement, at least make a grammatically correct one.

Livery discussions seems to come about every week or so and is way overdone, let this tired old subject die already!

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/search.main?search_table=archived_general_aviation&search_field=topic&search_active=1&search_year=&search=Livery&search_order=id&starter=1&submit=Search+Forum%21

Oh and the Peter Max 777 is the ugliest plane in the fleet, the sooner it gets a fresh coat the better!
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:15 pm

10. Continental: Continental's livery is elegant and classy, and of the liveries I've listed here deserves replacement the least. Nonetheless, it is out of date, and it is also very bland. While the titles et cetera do go a long way towards conveying Continental's "caring" image and quality service, they are totally devoid of flamboyance, and basically make Continental out to be an average airline. Continental clearly isn't, and a return to something flamboyant, on a par with "The Proud Bird With The Golden Tail" would be really refreshing to employees and customers alike.




um, flamboyant is not defined in continental's company vision today, its more of professionalism, hence the professional paint job. But I do agree that it can use some freshing up...
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:15 pm

AI and AZ. These two need it really bad!


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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:23 pm

8. ATA: American Trans Air may be in bad financial health. Should they go into bankruptcy, they should probably aim to emerge with a newer, better image that's crisper, more up-to-date and less cheesy.

I couldn't disagree more.


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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:41 pm

I think at OA need a new colour scheme, if only because the company itself needs a re-launch.

I think that AA looks fine.

IMO jazzy colour schemes date quickly. I for one value safety and stability over fun when I fly. Keep it simple, particularly with legacy carriers. These carriers still, (to an extent) fly the flag, why try to hide it.

If you are an LCC, perhaps something more striking. Allways have your phone number/web address prominantly displayed.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:57 pm

Would love to see a new livery for Malaysia Airlines ... perhaps to coincide with their launch of new in-flight products end of the year. Always think that MH being a world class airline deserves a better world wide recognition and better publicity, so a new livery could be a launching pad for that ...

 
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:00 pm

Aaa
ahhhh....
there we are again.

When will thos airlines finally listen to us a.netters and do what
we want.
I cannot believe that our livery requests are still
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:04 pm

BA!!!! I hate the new C/S! Bring back world tails or the old landor colors!!!!!!!!

I also reckon CO could do with an update, not a totally new one, just an update!

Chris

I also think BMI should stop changing liveries!!! They have like 5 different ones now or something!
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:15 pm

I think AA's is fine. I really like the current BA one with the union jack as well, really hated the old one with the different designs...

As for terrible schemes, as mentioned Alitalia (but they have much more pressing issues to deal with!), and American Eagle/Connection is very dull.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:27 pm

OA kept its basic livery over the years and cheat (?) lines have changed to a lighter blue.

Airlines that need an urgent lifting are :
ALITALIA
AIR FRANCE
TAROM
EASYJET
KOREAN AIR
ETIHAD AW
ALASKA AIRLINES
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:43 pm

Martinair of Holland - there's is so dated.

As for CO, I like it - it's still modern and is recognised. Doesn't need changing.


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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:43 pm

Iberia! I mean, that 70's look don't work anymore... it's depressing!

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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:44 pm

ATA's livery is ugly especially the titles.Air-India's logo is "old" and gives an impression of the golden age of aviation; the 60s and 70s !!!

Alitalia is to shut-down sooner and we will be talking much more about AZ Fly's livery !!!

Among the new airlines that already need to change their livery, i can mention these :

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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:51 pm

For BA, any colours are better than the kaleidoscope of a few years ago.

At one time, they used to prominently "fly the flag", but in recent years, we seem to be trying to hide it.

Ditto BMI. When the company is trying to hide their older British Midland Airways identity, over ruling the objection of the biggest single shareholder, (which was Lufthansa) something is seriously wrong.

No complaints about BMI service, just why change the name.

 
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:27 pm

liberia needs a new one, air france could probibly just do with a wash, aslong as they never change emirates livery or SAA, i think the best livery updates have been bmi definatley and pia.
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:56 am

im surprised to not see turkish airlines on these lists, unless i missed it. Turkish airlines similar to AF needs a REALLY quick livery change. We used to have the old cheat lines all the way until the early 90s and now the plain "TURKISH" and totally white body is super dirty and really lame. If u notice the AF 340 pics and the THY A340, the first thing you notice are the streak lines of black dirt/oil and what have u fluid combo....wouldn't feel that great for a non aviation oriented passenger " mom what's the black stuff on the wing...?"  Smile

I think Qantas and ANZ do good jobs with individual paint jobs like Wanalu and also like the Lord of the Rings. I agree that Delta isn't so great, i mean Aeroflot and Delta have similar tails from a quick glance. Alitalia, Swiss, and also Air India need upgrades.

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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:09 am

here are some new colors that look good, for airlines who need new colors:
American:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00000894

Continental:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00001689

Lufthansa:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00002458
 
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:16 am

here are some new colors that look good, for airlines who need new colors:
American:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00000894

Continental:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00001689

Lufthansa:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00002458


I can't say I like any of them with the exception of the LH livery.

I'd like to see livery changes from:

Air Canada - What's with all the Eurowhite? Bring back the old colors or do something more colorful than a plain, all-white body!

Air France - Something that can't get that dirty or that when dirty, doesn't look dirty.

AirTran - What the hell was the current livery designer thinking?!?! Change to anything, ANYTHING!

BMI - Decide on a single freakin' livery!

British Airways - Bring back the Landor colors!

Continental - Bring back the meatball!

Delta - Bring back the Widget!

Hola Airlines - Need I say anything?

Lufthansa - Switch to the livery in the link above! No more EuroWhite!

Qantas - More color! Maybe bring back the old livery used on the 707s.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:23 am

My list for carriers in desperate need of new livery:

1 AF
2 IB
3 Lithuania Air
4 Luxair
5 Tarom
6 Bulgaria
7 LOT
8 AI
9 UA *old & new*
10 AA
11 US Airways
12 Skyways
13 Braathens
14 Olympic

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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:52 am

There is nothing wrong whatsoever with the AA livery, but I do agree that OA is in urgent need of a repaint!

AF's livery is fine, they just need to bath their planes a bit more!!!

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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:23 am







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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:52 am

The Summa butterfly of AV, AA, AI, BA, AC, UA, those are my opinions.
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:15 am

Already mentioned:
Alitalia
Iberia
Air India

I think American and Continental are fine. The new United livery is horrible. What's with all the white ? The gray one they had before was perfect. Southwest's is horrible as well. Aerolineas Argentinas' is too white as well.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:18 am

I have to say that like most people in the UK I think British Airways really need to look again that their awful livery. In no way does it represent or enhance the image of the British people. Where is the flag? Where is the class?

Rework or just bring back the old Landor scheme please.

and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:52 am

I would totally disagree with the poster who said that CO' s Peter Maxx livery should be expanded upon. It is awful, putrid, etc. Same goes for Qantas' multi-colored livery.

HP's current livery is okay. It could probably be improved, especially the tail design. I've seen the old livery and it's bland and boring.

AA needs to stop using their retro-livery and be more consistent. Their current livery is boring, but I do like the "natural skin" look. Always have.

Alaska Airlines could use a "tune up" of their livery, especially the Eskimo on the tail. They ought to consider something similar to Frontier's "animal kingdom" tails. Very classy and eye-catching. I happen to like Horizon's livery. Leave it alone.

I don't care much for US livery. The tail is okay, but I really don't like the lettering. I much prefer the old US livery. The font and appearance of the letters were very cool. For that matter, they were far more colorful and attractive than the current livery.

Although I'm not much on the foreign carriers, I would suggest a livery face lift for Air France, Iberia, KLM and Aer Lingus.
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:11 am

I think that the colours of TUI are awful!! they need to be changed! also easyjet, orange is so 90's. mytravel needs to decide whether its arthur or marthur and get rid of its hybrid schemes! And I wish Britannia would stick with their old livery, that IMO was the best!
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:08 am

Me:

Avianca
Air India
TAP Air Portugal
Qantas
 
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:18 am

I think AA's livery is good, but they need to do something with the non-metal parts of the plane (engine cowls and tail)


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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:42 am


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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:40 pm

Iberia
Alitalia
all mainland Chinese carrier namely Air China, China Southern, China Eastern....etc
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:38 pm

whoa! those pics are really cool! how or what program were those done on?! That's awesome i really like that!

The LH is back to the Retro style  Smile
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:32 am

Air France
Easyjet
Alaska Airlines
American
Continental
Lufthansa
US Airways
Air India
Philippines
Thai

AMc

 
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RE: Which Airlines Need A New Livery?

Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:35 am

AZ / AF / OA should do it pretty quick
BA should get rid of their stupid tails and either use the British flag again (or the B.Cal Lion  Big grin )
LH might be a little more colourful
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