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Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:03 pm

A couple of members asked me to post this as a separate topic:

Most of the airlines which have ordered the A380 possess substantial operational experience and industry know how, though many haven't been consistently profitable. However, the fact that these particular airlines have a need for an aircraft with the A380's capabilities doesn't necessarily or automatically translate into there being a large untapped demand for these aircraft beyond what's already been ordered. Especially when the A380's design will likely be less than "cutting edge" shortly after EIS, given the technological advances promised by 7e7 program.

I've asked this question in several other threads: which routes/city pairs worldwide require coverage of an aircraft of the A380's capacity and capabilities 365 days a year? These are always the routes/city pairs that are cited by those who respond:

LHR-JFK


LHR-JNB/CPT


LHR-SIN


LHR-SYD/MEL


SYD-LAX


I recently asked a senior airline executive the same question citing the same routes. She took my question a step further and hypothesized that if all 744s operated on these routes are substituted with A380s and made the following statement:

"If you immediately replace every 744 currently operating on the these routes with A380s it would only amount to about 65 planes, and that's roughly half the pax configured A380s on firm order."

I don't know if her analysis is right, but it certainly makes interesting food for thought? Does anyone have other routes/city pairs which meet the stated criteria?

[Edited 2004-09-04 15:11:16]
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:12 pm

AF will operate CDG-YUL-CDG with the A-380 as of 2006.
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:15 pm

AFAIK LH will put DEL and BOM with the A380.. generally, I would add DEL and BOM to the list from many cities, like LHR, NYC (is a nonstop possible?? - this is of course unlikely since no US carrier is considering a purchase of the 380, right? And AI... no need to discuss), YYZ..
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:21 pm

In general most of the foreign long-haul carriers into LHR could sustain an A380.
BA doesn't need it that immediately because they have much more slots in LHR available.

As an educated guess I would say LH will use its 15 A380 for:
FRA-NRT
FRA-PEK
FRA-PVG
FRA-HKG
FRA-MEX
FRA-BKK
FRA-SIN
FRA-SFO
FRA-LAX
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:24 pm

MEX-FRA.

Served 10x a week by LH 744s.
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:36 pm

Traffic is estimated to grow 5% (that´s on average) the next 5 yrs

1000 747´s are operating at this moment

Some of those 744 are young (< 10 yrs)

Many will soon not be young anymore (744 is from 1988)

Some 744 will be replaced by 215-250 seaters p-to-p or as many believe.

However I would not be suprised if some will be replaced by bigger aircraft...

Expect lots of A380´s at CDG, NAR, SIN, FRA, LAX, SFO, JFK, BKK, AMS, DXB, SDY, ORD, MIA, SEL, ...

and popular other destinations such as CPT, FCO..
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:43 pm

Should NW ever move to the A380 we can expect.

DTW-NRT
DTW-AMS
DTW-PEK

However, I doubt this will ever happen, and will be blessed with the beautiful 747-400 and A330 for many years!!!
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:02 pm

Well, VS has plans to do LHR-LAX/MIA/NYC. I believe that BOS, IAD, and SFO are also in the plans, but I am not entirely sure.

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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:09 pm

I wouls be willing to bet that one could use the 380 on routes such as LAX-HNL, HND-HNL, LAX-HND, SFO-HND, and BRB-LIS and EZE-LIS just to name a few more high traffic pairings
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:21 pm

Are you sure you didn't mean NRT instead of HND?
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:22 pm

I'm wondering what it's hot and high performance will be like, in order to fly out of cities like Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Albequerque, and what penalties would be made in order to do so.
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:55 pm

When the A380 enters service any route that has multiple daily 747s is a candidate - the 747s can then be deployed to other growth routes that use 773s & A346s.

Looking just bit further into the future, when airlines begin falling by the wayside (or consolidating), the A380 would be able to mop up the resulting "stranded" pax traffic.  Smile
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:02 am

Vegas, maybe, but I don't think it's very likely to see an A380 at PHX, and you most definitely won't see one at ABQ.
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:23 am

I agree that FRA-MEX is a good candidate for the A380. However, I wonder if the upgrading of MEX (which is currently underway) is contemplating adding or modifying one or two gates so as to be able to receive the new giant.

On a related subject, what do you think we can expect in terms of economy-class comfort in the A380? It is very clear to me that, just with like any other type of aircraft, airlines decide how much seat pitch they will offer, whether PTV's will be installed or not, etcetera, but one of the major arguments that Airbus is using to promote the A380 is that it will be a luxurious and comfortable plane. I really hope that the A380 proves to be a big advancement in terms of per-passenger cost so that airlines will consider giving economy class passengers decent pitch and PTV's (AVOD would be great).
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:53 am

I guess I'm admittedly still perplexed as to the economics of this beast.

Will it be best served on existing long haul routes in high demand, or ultra-high density, but not necessarily long haul city pairs?

Even by replacing the existing 744 routes with the 380, you're talking about a monstrous jump in available capacity. 20-25% as a rough swag. That's tough to swallow for any route, but trying to determine which ones are the most viable is a tricky proposition.
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:36 am

Even by replacing the existing 744 routes with the 380, you're talking about a monstrous jump in available capacity. 20-25% as a rough swag. That's tough to swallow for any route, but trying to determine which ones are the most viable is a tricky proposition.

How many city pairs have multiple daily 744s? Even with just two 744s on a route, a A380 could substitute one 744, and a 777 could substitute the other, for example. There are many variations depending on peak pax traffic according to time of day, day of week, etc. where the A380 could add scheduling flexibility and overall increased fleet productivity.
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:52 am

I could see AF putting one on the ATL-CDG route to replace both an AF and DL flight on the route. You take 2 777s or a 777 and an A340 off of the route and shift them elsewhere in each airlines' system.

It is rumored that Korean Air may be the first A380 operator into ATL; While it may not be because of the passenger loads, more likely, it's because of the cargo capacity.
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:16 am

HKG-LHR
Both BA and CX have 2x daily 744s on this route leaving within an hour of each other.
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:09 am

From the latest OAG there is some interesting info that can be gleaned.

Total No. of weekly 747 flights: 7,342

Over 20% of weekly 747 flights are under 1000 miles.

Over 50% of weekly 747 flights are within 737 range.

Over 93% of weekly 747 flights are within 762 range.

Top 10 flight distances:

500 - 600 miles = 886 flights/wk
5900 - 6000 miles = 312 flights/wk
200 - 300 miles = 272 flights/wk
700 - 800 miles = 256 flights/wk
6700 - 6800 miles = 202 flights/wk
5400 - 5500 miles = 201 flights/wk
1300 - 1400 miles = 190 flights/wk
1800 - 1900 miles = 172 flights/wk
3800 - 3900 miles = 166 flights/wk
3400 - 3500 miles = 162 flights/wk
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:17 am

I suppose an A380 can replace two 747s on a route where one airline is flying that route and has a monopoly or on a route that has a huge amount of flights (e.g. LHR - JFK).

But say a European carrier and a US carrier each have two widebodies from an East Coast destination to a European destination. Say each has a flight leaving at 6:00 PM to Europe and each has a flight leaving at 9:00 PM to Europe.Now it could happen that the airline that switches to one 380 flight (at 7:30) notices that while they could fill up two 747s, they cannot at the time the one flight is leaving, they find customers opt for either the earlier or later flights and the other airline is considering adding another flight to conver the pax.

I'm actually more a lurker in this board, and I certainly don't know as much about Civil Av as most of you, but some of the city pairs mentioned I don't think will work. (e.g. FRA - MEX) It's not enough to have two planes replaced by one, customers now have only one chance to fly to where they want to go as opposed to the two before. Another airline could come in at the old time of one flight with a smaller plane and skim. Then the two planes become one and a half plane and the 380 has empty seats.
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:35 am

Planemaker:

"From the latest OAG there is some interesting info that can be gleaned..."

Perhaps you can share with us what conclusions can be drawn from the info gleaned regarding the A380?

Thanx
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:58 am

I'm also posting JoFMO's reply to a similar post I made in the "What's Happening to South African 744" thread, I think it's interesting and should be a part of this thread too:

@LeeLaw:

you mentioned the most commonly mentioned routes for the A380, but non of them includes FRA or CDG, although LH and AF have ordered 15 and 10 pieces of that beauty. So there must be a lot more markets.

And I also doubt the number of 65 planes. LHR-NYC will not be a prime A380 route. From the 4 operators on that route only VS has ordered it, and I guess they have more profitable routes for the A380. LHR-NYC is one of the few long haul routes where frequency goes over size.
On the other hand I counted just around 14 daily A380 flights between LHR and SYD/MEL (1x QR, 3x EK, 2x TG, 2x MH, 3x SQ, 3x QF) in the foreseeable future.
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:07 am

I would expect Lufthansa to have Frankfurt-Johannesburg/Capetown

EDDF-KJFK
EDDF-KORD
EDDF-KLAX
EDDF-KSFO
EDDF-NRT

and other routes
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:40 am

LHR-NYC will not be a prime A380 route. LHR-NYC is one of the few long haul routes where frequency goes over size.

Yes, frequency is very important but size still matters somewhat between London and New York:

777 - 109 flts/wk
744 - 55 flts/wk
A346 - 7 flts/wk
A343 - 7 flts/wk
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:50 am

Well when LH, SQ, and AF get their A380, I had better see a B747, B762, A330 or something flying into RDU. That is the least they can do with their now spare A/C!!!!!
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:03 am

BTW, does anybody happen to have a pic or a link to a pic of the cockpit layout of this giant?
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:06 am

I can see alot of trans-pacific flights needing the A380 as travelers in Asia continues to grow. Isn't Asia the fastest growing market in terms of travelers?
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:27 am

LHR-ACC
CDG-JFK
BEY-CDG
BOM-LHR
LHR-LAX
LHR-NRT
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:38 am

GSO will be needing them once Fedex opens their hub. With a lot of European traffic, it should be a given. Lucky for me, I live about 100 miles away. Nice day trip.
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:14 am

If I'm not mistaken, only Memphis will be ready to accept the A380. Does anyone have any accurate info on which US airports will be able to handle the beast post EIS?
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:17 am

Out of Australia thefollowing A380 routes are assured.

SYD-SIN-LHR (QF & SQ)
MEL-SIN-LHR (QF & maybe SQ)
SYD-LAX (QF) may extend some A380 services to JFK
MEL-LAX (QF)
SYD-BKK (TG)
SYD-HKG-LHR (QF & VS)
SYD-KUL-LHR (MH)

All of these routesd are incredibly busy and are now served by multiple 744s or 773s daily. With slot restrictions at SYD particularly, future growth has to be in the form of bigger planes and the only plane bigger than the 744 is the A380.
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:19 am

No city pairs really need the A380. The current model ac are doing a bang up job
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:32 am

SYD-BKK-LHR QF 1/2 was identified as the most important route for the QF A380

I cannot believe SIN-TYO (SQ) has not been mentioned for the A380 , as this is the first revenue pax route that the A380 will be used on. With SQ this will be followed by SIN-LHR then SIN-SYD. The is mentiond from the SQ Pacific management meeting back in July of this year.


 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 10:10 am

No city pairs really need the A380. The current model ac are doing a bang up job

Then why has it sold over 100 frames already? Surely all the operators can't be morons? Or maybe...  Big grin
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:07 am

I'm not sure about routes that really need the A380 but these are the fantasy routes I'd like to see (on any airline):

ORD-HKG - current UA flight is almost always full; would be nice to have some more room in there.

ORD-SIN - eliminate the stopovers (both domestic and international) and have one long hop over the Pacific. It can even be 2x or 3x a day.

ORD-BKK - I heard that TG will be starting this new service; that would be great if it goes through!

and the ultimate A380 fantasy route...

ORD-MNL - although I highly doubt PAL will be purchasing any A380's in the very near (or very far) future.
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:09 am

When I think of a city-pair "really needing" the biggest planes, I think of a pair with very high O&D traffic & slot- or time- restricted airports & routes. There are certainly several of these.

But airlines like Emirates & Lufthansa who are also pursuing hub strategies at their home airports create a "maybe need" ... since the need in these cases really depends on the transferring passengers ... and the slot restrictions are "artificially" created by the operation of the hub.

At least in the North American & North Atlantic sectors, where the large hubs have been pretty much saturated for decades, it is interesting to note that the market fairly easily achieved its phenomenal growth via routes & strategies that bypassed the hubs altogether. Because these secondary routes have created so many options for passengers, the big-iron, big-ticket hub-feeding flights have evolved into a market favoring higher frequencies and lower prices.

Whatever that means!?!
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:18 am

It is what the passenger wants, that will count in the end, and they want one or all of four things IMHO. Either cheap fares, the flexibility of frequency, more comfort, and direct flights.

No doubt some routes will suit the 380, such as any major carrier into LHR, but some of the rest are just wishfull thinking.

I think it will be a slow, but consistent seller above 200 frames, because if the 747ADV gives what is promised, airlines will be able to achieve a lower seat cost, and trip cost, and more frequency, than with the 380. Maybe those amenities we don't think will ever appear in the 380 may yet appear. The 380 will have the advantage into severely skot restricted airports however.

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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:20 am

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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:14 pm

From the latest OAG there is some interesting info that can be gleaned.

Total No. of weekly 747 flights: 7,342

Over 20% of weekly 747 flights are under 1000 miles.

Over 50% of weekly 747 flights are within 737 range.

Over 93% of weekly 747 flights are within 762 range.

Top 10 flight distances:

500 - 600 miles = 886 flights/wk
5900 - 6000 miles = 312 flights/wk
200 - 300 miles = 272 flights/wk
700 - 800 miles = 256 flights/wk
6700 - 6800 miles = 202 flights/wk
5400 - 5500 miles = 201 flights/wk
1300 - 1400 miles = 190 flights/wk
1800 - 1900 miles = 172 flights/wk
3800 - 3900 miles = 166 flights/wk
3400 - 3500 miles = 162 flights/wk


There's lies, damn lies, and statistics. The distances to number of flights looks good until you realize shorter flights result in more frequency. I'm sure an airline that flew a 6000-mile one-wayer could get in 3 or 4 500-milers.
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:29 pm

Well out of IAD, I could see these city pairs with these Airlines.

IAD-CDG AF - Currently 2 777's
IAD-LHR BA - Currently 1 747 & 1 777
IAD- FRA LH - Currently 1 747 & A340

IAD-LHR UA - Currently 1 747, 1 767-300, 2 777's
IAD-FRA UA - Currently 1 747 & 1 777
IAD-HKG UA - Currently 2 747's

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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:18 pm

FlyIGuy:

I'm wearing glasses but I can't see the flight you mentioned  Big grin

Little confusion.Do you wish UA had (2) 747s on the IAD-HKG route or do you think they are flying it now?
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:40 pm

SQs A380 will possibly be on SIN-NRT and SIN-BKK initially for crew training and familiarization purposes only. Once enough crew are qualified on the type the aircraft will be put onto the SIN-LHR route which is what the aircraft is being specifically purchased for. As more aircraft arrive Sydney will be served and then it looks as though Melbourne will be third.

Before its mentioned that it will go onto the SIN-HKG-SFO route, well it might but no plans as yet only the three destinations mentioned. Depending on the frequency that would just about account for all SIAs A380s on firm order.
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:54 pm

No city pairs really need the A380. The current model ac are doing a bang up job

HAHA! This statement, I agree with. The current models, post 9/11 are doing just fine. Some planes are being filled up to the max while most are probably not. Im only speculating on this with no facts to back me up on this.

Then why has it sold over 100 frames already? Surely all the operators can't be morons? Or maybe...

The airlines who ordered the frames are probably the ones who are snobs who just want their titles splattered over the side of the fuselage. A boost to their egos. Again, how do you know if you CAN fill up an A380 transpac flight, every single flight? My guess is too many open seats and a waste of cash..... Soon the airlines who ordered the A380 will come to terms realizing that.
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:54 pm

I am very sure it will be BKK-FRA or BKK/LHR. At the moment we see 3x day outbound ex BKK to FRA and 4 x to LHR / with 9R to LGW. All of them have a load factor over 90 % ( 9R even 94%) and it is low season here in LoS. I believe during the Peak Season the 380 is an excellent equipment to fulfill the demands on these sectors. BKK's new airport will be the first in Asia who will be able to accommodate the 380.

 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:42 pm

At least during holiday times (summer and Christmas), AF will fly A380 to the french west indies (Fort-de-France, Point-à-Pitre) : at these times of the year, the demand is very, very high from locals who want to go back to see familly and high for tourist that want o be under the sun in winter.
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:18 pm

i think virgin atlantic should do heathrow to aberdeen oooh i dont know... 5 times a day maybe with their A380s, maybe richard could look into that please Big grin
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:03 pm

...but some of the city pairs mentioned I don't think will work. (e.g. FRA - MEX)

FRA - MEX is a good example of a city pair where it appears that the A380 wouldn't be used when, in fact, the opposite is true.

LH flies 10 744s weekly (3 days/wk a second 744 departs an hour later.) LH could easily fly the A380 on the 3 days where there are double 744s. However, to maintain the total weekly number of seats currently offered on FRA - MEX, LH would also substitute the single 744 on the other days. Thus 10 744s/wk FRA - Mex becomes 7 A380s/wk, for example.

Another potential A380 route out of FRA is to LAX. There are currently:

17 744s/wk
7 763s/wk
7 A333/wk
6 777/wk

LH flies twice daily 744s only 3 hrs apart for a total of 5,152 seats per week. LH fleet schedulers could easily replace one daily 744 with the A380, and the second daily 744 with an A340. However, depending on historical daily pax loads, LH could very well choose to eliminate a second flight on certain days, for example, and put on twice daily A380 flights on certain others (especially if US Airways and/or Delta drop their flights FRA-LAX  Big grin )

The obvious point of these two examples (FRA - MEX & FRA - LAX) is that the A380 could obviously provide flexibility to more closely tailor aircraft capacity to "time of day" and "day of week" peak pax loads far beyond the typical city pairs that are often suggested.
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:30 pm

Though plans no doubt change quickly, back in summer 2003 Air France said that its A380’s would be used on:

CDG - NRT
CDGJFK/EWR
CDG - YUL
CDG - LAX
CDG . MIA

Somewhat related to the topic, last year Airbus’ technical magazine FAST had an interesting article on A380 airports. It included a map with the likely first A380 airports based on carrier interest and forecasts for future A380 routes.

2006/2007 Airports:

San Francisco (SFO)
Los Angeles (LAX)
Montreal Dorval (YUL)
New York Kennedy Intnl. (JFK)
New York Liberty Intnl (EWR)
Miami (MIA)
Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG)
Frankfurt (FRA)
London Heathrow (LHR)
London Gatwick (LGW)
Jeddah (JED)
Dubai (DXB)
Karachi (KHI)
Bangkok (BKK)
Kuala Lumpur (KUL)
Singapore (SIN)
Sydney (SYD)
Melbourne (MEL)
Auckland (AKL)
Tokyo Narita (NRT)
Hong Kong (HKG)
Seoul (ICN)

2008/2009 Airports:

Chicago (ORD)
Memphis (MEM)
Anchorage (ANC)
Zurich (ZRH)
Munich (MUC)
London Stansted (STN)
Amsterdam (AMS)
Doha (DOH)
Osaka (KIX)
Colombo (CMB)
Beijing (PEK)
Shanghai (PVG)
Taipei (TPE)
Brisbane (BNE)
Jakarta (CGK)

’Others’ before 2010:

Vancouver (YVR)
Toronto Pearson (YYZ)
Washington (IAD)
Honolulu (HNL)
Orlando (MCO)
Pointe a Pitre Guadeloupe (PTP)
Fort de France Martinique (FDF)
Manchester (MAN)
Luxemburg (LUX)
Milan (MXP)
Rome (FCO)
Nice (NCE)
Paris Orly (ORY)
Liege (LGG)
Johannesburg (JNB)
St. Denis La Reunion (RUN)
Bombay (BOM)
Delhi (DEL)
Dhaka (DAC)
Guangzhou (CAN)
Manila (MNL)
Okinawa (OKA)
Fukuoka (FUK)
Tokyo Haneda (HND)
Sapporo (CTS)
Perth (PER)

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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:33 pm

Planemaker:
"Another potential A380 route out of FRA is to LAX. There are currently:

17 744s/wk
7 763s/wk
7 A333/wk
6 777/wk

LH flies twice daily 744s only 3 hrs apart for a total of 5,152 seats per week. LH fleet schedulers could easily replace one daily 744 with the A380, and the second daily 744 with an A340. However, depending on historical daily pax loads, LH could very well choose to eliminate a second flight on certain days, for example, and put on twice daily A380 flights on certain others (especially if US Airways and/or Delta drop their flights FRA-LAX)."

Only the 17 744s/wk are nonstop. All the others are connecting service with an equipment change. Discounting AI's 3x/week service, LAX-FRA has two daily LH 744s flying 4 hours apart. If LH wants to increase capacity, changing one of those to an A380 would make sense.
 
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RE: Which Routes/City Pairs Really Need The A380?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:56 pm

LAX-FRA has two daily LH 744s flying 4 hours apart. If LH wants to increase capacity, changing one of those to an A380 would make sense.

Actually, the 2 daily LH 744s depart only 3h 15m apart - @ 10:20 & @ 13:35.  Smile

The A380's utilization will not be to only increase capacity as had been already pointed, but to also more closely tailor aircraft capacity to "time of day" and "day of week" peak pax loads.
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