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When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Ticket?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:16 am

When will people be able to go back to the gates with out a ticket...like the old days.


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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:22 am

In my opinion, most likely never. I just started working at BWI and haven't gotten my SIDA yet, meaning that I have to go through the security line each time I go into the concourse. The wait for security the five times that I went through today was averaging about 10 minutes, granted they only had 3 or 4 lanes open. Add unticketed pax to that equation and it won't be a pretty picture.

Besides, add unticketed folks behind security and it's hello ID checks at the gates again, if not the return of random gate screenings also.
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:26 am

The world lost that sort of innocence a long, long time ago! I don't think any airline, country, or passenger would feel comfortable with such an arrangement these days.
 
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:49 am

Wasn't there some talk about PIT being the first airport to have this?


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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:52 am

PIT was trying as they have that big shopping area that is/was hurting from the loss of all those possible shoppers. I agree I would rather see it stay the way it is. Maybe a redesign that allows people to the shops and food areas before security is a solution that needs to be looked at.
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:57 am

Do a search on the PIT issue, it just came up again last week or so. Although, re-opening the AirMall to non-tcktd people would probably do very little to help the stores in it. When PIT opened, the AirMall was the closest mall for a lot of folks living out that way. Then the Mall at Robinson opened up about 2 years ago, making the one at the airport less "important" for people living in the vicinity, not to mention having a greater selection. I hate to break the news to Kent George, but re-opening the mall isn't going to save the airport.
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:57 am

Hopefully never again.
 
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:00 am

I miss going to the gate areas with out having a ticket.


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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:03 am

Before I came to the States, I was never able to go to the gate at an airport, unless it was a really small regional one. It'll never happen again unless security tech changes drastically.
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:07 am

My opinion is that it won't be happening in the near future, but will eventually happen sometime down the road, maybe in a few years. They are continuing to try and improve and streamline security procedures to make everything move quicker. Granted, they seem to be making slow progress, but eventually I think they'll come up with a system that works good and efficiently. If they can make it so the lines are short like they used to be, then I think they'll let non-passengers back in. It isn't so much of a security issue as it is trying to reduce lines at the security checkpoint. Anybody can walk up and buy a super saver or fully refundable ticket to get past security if they really wanted to...it doens't do anything really to keep out terrorists since everbody goes through the same screening. I also have a feeling if security costs continue to increase, maybe they'll introduce a system of non passengers having to pay a fee to get past security, and maybe only at non peak times. Even just $5 could help increase the security budget while avioding the need to pass these increasing costs on to the airlines.
 
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:08 am

I guess that I must travel enough to be entirely opposed to re-opening the gate areas to non-ticketed passengers.

It's bad enough that there aren't enough seats in many gate areas for passengers, not to mention the entourage that some people will inevitably bring.

These days, I just want to get into the terminal, on the plane, and the hell out of there. The less time I spend in a terminal, the better.

[Edited 2004-10-13 04:09:57]
 
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:35 pm

A Long time ago, I wanted them to reopen the sterile area to NTPs, but as of today, I'm glad it is closed off. Imagine all those people going through ATL and not flying out. It would be convenient however if, in ATL, you flew in there that day and would like to check out all the shops, you could go in and out 1 time. That would be pretty nice. But, other than that.

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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:38 am

I think it would be a great idea that non ticketed passengers would have to pay a fee to get to the gate area.


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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:50 am

NEVER, hopefully. As a matter of security, there is NO REASON why TSA personnel should be bothered with non-passengers. It's a waste of time, money, and is grossly inefficient. We don't need to make such a drastic change to our security system just so Johnny's grandmother can spend an extra 20 minutes with him in the secured area. Say your goodbyes before reaching security.
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:58 am

I'm with Ssides 100%.

I don't miss fighting with non-pax for seats and most places are too busy anyways with travelers to deal with non-pax.

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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:06 am

The TSA are understaffed as it is. Think of how many people used to be crowding the gate areas before 9/11, and with passenger levels higher than they were before 9/11 its just too many people inside of security. Besides from a airline supervisor standpoint, its just that many more idiots coming up to the podium looking out the window saying "Is the plane here yet?"
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:48 am

The USA was the exception to the rule back in the day. With today's "enhanced" security, it doesn't make sense. From the standpoint of someone who loves to watch airplanes, I understand Joe's point. But it shouldn't happen.
 
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:56 am

It's never going to happen. Could you imagine how crowded and congested the security lines would be if everybody was allowed inside the Sterile Areas with the way today's screening is done?
You think some of the concourses @ ATL are crowded just with ticketed pax, it would be at practically a standstill if everyone was allowed at the gates.

The issue doesn't affect me at all because I have access to the SIDA and Sterile Areas at my home airport through my employer.
 
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:52 am

I used to wish this rule would be lifted, but in all my post-9/11 trips, I appreciate not having to hunt down a seat in the gate areas, and much shorter lines at food establishments.
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:23 pm

This seems to be something that was uniquely American, I have never seen anyone allowed past security without a boarding pass anywhere else. I agree with the comments about security staff workload, congestion etc. If not flying myself I prefer to drop the pax at the kerb and get the hell away from there!
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:14 pm

To be honest , I don't think they will ever be allowed again because of 9/11. I remember domestic flights here in NZ being open and people were able to go to the gate, but now, even the domestic flights have restricted passenger only areas near the gates.
 
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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:29 pm

I hope they let non-ticketed pax back in the terminal areas soon. We did this for years with no problems. Also remember, the terrorists on 9/11 WERE ticketed passengers.

I know I am going to get some shit for this.

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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:28 am

Actually, Delta767300ER, I agree with everything you said.


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IslipWN

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:43 pm

LOL, Good! I figured a few would agree with me.

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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:53 am

I love the Air Mall in PIT. One of my good friends and I would go to PIT, go to dinner at TGIFridays in the center core and then walk around the airport for hours watching people.

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RE: When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Tic

Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:42 am

I too miss the days of being able to see family members off or wait for them to walk out of the gate. It was good times. But now I work for the airline and altho I have a SIDA badge, my company badge will get me anywhere ticketed passengers are permitted even at other airports (as long as we fly there). There were times that I didn't even have my ticket yet but I was able to show TSA my company badge and get thru anyway.

For security, opening it up to non-pax doesn't make good sense. But I wish that wasn't an issue.

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