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The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:23 pm

I heard on the news that the third safest passenger plane that exists is the Tupolev TU-142,and that made me wonder,
What are the first 2 safest planes existent?
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The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:38 pm

I would say the Airbus A340 is probably in the top, as there has only been 2 hull-loss, and these didn't happen while it's in the air. One is the Air France that caught fire during Mx in 1994 in CDG, and the other is th SriLankan, when Colombo Airport was attacked by the Tamil Tiger in 2001. There were 2 landing gear problem in flight, and 1 hydraulic problem on the ground, causing a steering difficulty and collided during taxi on the ground.

The second would probably be the A330, but I'm not 100% sure about this. There has been, to date, 4 hull-loss, and only 1 was fatal (where all 7 POB died), and that was during the test flight in Toulouse in 1994. And the other 3 hull loss was a Malaysian, where rust-proofing material in the cargo-hold leaked, and the aircraft judged to be damaged beyond repair, and the other 2 is SriLankan, at the same time as the A340 was destroyed. The other incident that occured in-flight was Air Transat flight 236 where it went empty on the tanks, and the other was a minor incident while landing in Guam.

That would be my shot at the top two. I don't know whether it's actually the right planes meant by the news you heard

Edit: The B777 also has a perfect (or near perfect, with 2 mechanical-related incident in flight) record with no hull-loss. The Boeing 717 also has had no hull-loss so far (2 mechanical- related incident in flight), and as is the A319 and A321.

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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:30 am

Would the 737 fall into this due largly to the total number of them that have been produced?
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:20 am

1. B777
2. A340
3. A330
4. B767
5. Saab 340

-or-
1. Saab 340
2. MD80
3. B767
4. B757
5. B737
(older statistics from 2001, does not include A330/A340/B777)

The safest aircraft (in the strict sense of the word) is apparently the microlight...

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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:24 am

Serached on the net and came up with the following answer

The safest type of aircraft is the Saab 340, followed by the MD-80 and the Boeing 767. Concorde is the least safe type of aircraft, with one major event out of 80,000 flights, according to the website www.airdisaster.com

Strange. So your second answer is right Geoffm. But as you say the database is rather old.

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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:57 am

The 777 has never had a hull loss, and if I am correct neither has a 737NG
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:12 pm

For amount of time in service, the 757 has to be within the top three. No 757 has been lost do to "the airplanes fault". All accidents have been due to human error. Nearly 25 years in service with such a distinction is truly remarkable.
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:26 pm

The 747 has to be the safest aircraft in the sky .
Its record speaks for itself its been around 30 plus years with a handfull of hull loses due to the aircraft itself.
There has been a few hull loses due to a number of factors which had nothing to do with the aircraft itself.
And also if you concider that almost every major airline operates the 747 without incident daily thats a neet reputation that the aircraft has gained .
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:09 am

747s are 14th in the list according to http://www.airdisaster.com, although this is a couple of years out of date. I'm not really sure you can claim that fewer 747 accidents were due to human error - since, when it comes down to it, every crash is due to human error in one way or another, whether it be pilot error, dodgy maintenance, or a design fault.

FWIW the 747 has had 24 fatal events for 15 million flights, whereas (for example), the 737 has had twice as many events for five times as many flights.

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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:35 am


You guys better knock on wood after you mention the 777 and 737NG and well, after mentioning specific numbers after types (such as A340-2 hull loses) as we don't want anymore hull loses for ANY a/c.
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:17 pm

Geoffm
I did mention that it was my point of view that the 747 is the safest aircraft in the air.
And still do no matter what figures people throw at me .
The bigger the aircraft the more stable it is in the air
So are you telling me that every crash is due to human error ?
What about the weather?,windsheer,downdrafts wind currents etr from mountains . I could go on but i wont bore everyone with detail.
You cant tell me that the BOAC 707 that was torn apart by the elements at mount Fuji was human error.

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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:03 pm

Weather is a factor, something that pilots train for and ultimately avoid (by diverting) if it is too extreme. Choosing to land at an airport while knowing the weather is atrocious, and then crashing, is down to pilot error.

Granted, occasional unforeseen events happen, so I'll revise my statement accordingly. The vast majority of airline crashes are due to human error.

Can you explain why you think the 747 is the safest aircraft, when the proven evidence is to the contrary? Even if you exclude fairly new planes, it still doesn't make the top 5.

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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:02 pm

It is a shame that AF Concorde changed the safety record of a truly great plane but surely Concorde should be up there with only 1 fatal accident over 25 years of history.

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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:25 pm


Sky0000547,
but with under 20 a/c having been made, the odds become lowered.
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:19 pm

...and extremely low usage of aircraft. Relatively few take-offs and landings.

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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:24 pm

the l-10-11 was pretty safe aircraft
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:32 am

It depends on how the statistics are calculated.
Personally I feel the B777 & B737NGs are the Safest.
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:14 am

I would guess the 717 and the 777. I don't think there has been a accident with these two planes since they went into service.
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:02 am

Personally, the 777 and the 767 are the safest (my view and personal experience opinion).
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:46 pm

Curious Checo.

You say that the 777 and 767 are the safest, from your personal experience.

What do you mean by that?

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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:48 pm

What about the 767-400? Or the 737-500/600/700/800/900?
 
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:08 pm

Next Generation B737s are one of the safest, as well as the B777
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:40 pm

ummmm Has the A380 had a crash yet? Big grin
 
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:17 am

Safest is a very subjective term
I will define it by hull loss

777
737NG

there may be other no-hull loss models, but those two are Boeing!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
(Just kidding, I can't think of any others offhand.)
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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:43 am

I believe that the safest plane yet is the Antonov An-225, there has never been a hull loss. But if there was, there wouldn't be a 225!

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RE: The Safest 2 Planes That Exist?

Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:31 am

i think it's the 777 and the cessna 172 Big grin
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