pilottj
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GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:01 pm

Hello everyone,

Here is another topic for those of you who do light aircraft. As we all know, many light general aviation aircraft prodcution was stopped in the mid-80s. Within the last 5 years or so, Cessna, Piper, Beechcraft have slowly reintroduced their old designs. Most notably Cessna has brought back the 172, 182, and 206. What old aircraft would you like to see brought back to production? I personally would love to see the 177RG Cardinal back in production. I would love to see Piper bring back the Comanche. And Beechcraft must bring back the V-Tailed doctor killer...the V-35 Bonanza.

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Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:12 pm

I'd like to see the 152 back in production to make flying (and particularly training) more affordable.


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Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:22 pm

The de Havilland Chipmunk. Beautiful little airplane, and apparently a lot of fun to fly. I'd like to have the pleasure sometime.
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:34 pm

How 'bout the navion or globe swift. Sleek planes...
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Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:41 pm

2H4,

I heard that Cessna considered starting the 152 line back up again but in the end decided it would cost almost as much as a new 172 to produce and decided against it. There are some "cheap" aircraft out there, but when brand new, they're still going to cost a lot to rent. Citabria Adventures, Katanas, etc...
 
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:59 pm

The gutless cutless eh? If you're gonna make it a retractable, how about a 210? Those things can move!

I would love to see Mooney bring back something like the MSE. Their planes were fast without the big 6 cyl engines up there. Now, they just hog a bunch of gas while going fast.
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:02 pm

The Beech Starship/Long-EZ. That is an amazing plane that Raytheon has f'ed over.
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:08 pm

LOL, Not the GUTLESS! haha
One of the few planes I have seen where 'slow flight dirty' is performed with full throttle and barely holds altitude. No no, the Cardinal both RG or Fixed was a really cool airplane, it had the 210 wing with no wing struts and slimmed down fuselage. It could really move on an O-360-180 or 200 4-banger. Unfortunately it came out about the same time as the 182 so it's sales didn't do that well, but I think it is the perfect plane between the 172 and 182.
As far as balls out speed, a 210 is pretty sweet. Piper did make a variant of the Comanche with a flat 8 400hp engine that could really haul ass.

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TJ
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:21 pm

V-TAIL BONANZA

my favorite GA airplane.
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:41 pm

I love the Starship, its a shame the way its service life unfolded.

The Cessna 337, what's not to like about a twin with centerline thrust?

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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:06 am

Give me a new C172 Cutlass RG any day!
 
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:24 am

Bring back the Navajo- the sweetest handling aircraft I've ever flown, and also the most versatile- take the seats out in the back and it's amazing the amount of cargo you can stick back there.
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:27 am

I wish the Socata Rallye would come back, that would be a cheap alternative to Cessnas.

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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:44 am

The pressurized versions of the Aerostar, particularly the ones Piper made, as well as those with the Machen 350 hp Lycoming conversion remain the sexiest GA twins in the sky. Ted Smith may have designed some unorthodox systems (nose wheel steering in a little 6,000 lb twin), and too many souls came to grief with the fuel system, but that little stiletto in the sky was fast! It had all the characteristics of a jet minus the turbines.
 
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:22 am

I would like to see some of the classics, like a J-3 Cub (not the Super Cub), Waco or Stearman produced again. These planes are monuments to true flying and do not have all of the automation and modern avionics. You must be a true pilot to fly them!
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:11 am

Ahh, the ol 337 Mixmaster.
Perhaps someone can clear this up, I heard that time logged in a 337 Skymaster may not count as MEL time, at least to a prospective employer. This had to do with the fact that because of the centerline thrust, a pilot would not be knowlegable on factors such as Vmc and related performances. Also inusrance rates are apparently quite lower on the 337 because of that too.

CHeers
TJ
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:28 am

I will always want the Starship to come back. It just looks so different from everything else!

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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:06 am

Would anyone like to guess what a brand new Cessna 210 would cost?
I would figure at least $450,000 with basic avionics/interior. Probably close to double that if it was a P210T with all the goodies. You can find used Learjets for that price. I guess that is the reason why many of those planes are not being reproduced. The only real advantage that I know of buying a new 172 or 182 are the warranties that come with the aircraft, because these birds cost a pretty penny to maintain. As much as I envy the poor bastard who will win AOPA's Win A Twin Comanche that is completely decked out. He/she will probably have to sell it because of the insurance/and maintence costs. It just makes me glad I rent. If you want a speedy ride, come over here to STS, the Comanche here rents for 125/hr wet.

TJ
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:09 am

I'd love to see the Rockwell Commander back in production, awesome a/c! (though I hear that they'll soon start producing the new 115 version. anybody have any info on this?)
Also, I'd love to see the Centurions and Crusaders produced again...the Beech Duke as well...
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:07 am

TripleDelta, the 115 is not new. It was introduced in 2000. Unfortunately, under the weight of liability and a GA sag in the wake of 9/11, the company declared bankruptcy about 2 years ago. They're now in the process of being bailed out and expect to restart production in the next few months.
 
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:11 am

I've got a strange one for you folks. I would like to see the Rockwell Commander 700 back in production. If you haven't seen one it looks similar to a Cessna Crusader. Just if they bring it back they should update the engines to something a little more efficient. I always liked how it looked like a smaller version of a BAE J-31.
 
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:55 am

I would DEFINATELY like to see the Cessna 177/Cardinal back in production. With the strutless wing and sleeker shape, I think it was a great looking high-wing aircraft, which I prefer. It was a shame that it was lacking in the power department. Put the 182's flat six in the nose, and then it really would have been something!


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Apart from that, I kind of liked the look of the strange and odd little Ercoupe; please don't ask why. I haven't quite figured out why myself just yet.

Oh yeah, and the Aero Commander 500B/Shrike Commander should make a comeback.
 
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:21 pm

Those missing the Comanche might be pleased to hear about the Ravin 500. It's an all-composite airplane based loosely on a 93% scale Comanche.

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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:51 am

What I would like to see would be the re-introduction of the 400 series Cessnas. Not necessarily the 402 or 404, but the upper end 414, 421, 425 and 441. The 400s are nice because they can't be beat where operating costs and performance are concerned (at least by Raytheon). Of course, new models would retail in the million dollar range. Turboprop performance without the turboprops and the turboprop price-what's not to like about that?
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:31 am

c177RG and c172RG.

With glass cockpits and at least a 235hp or bigger engine. Complete with an autopilot with ALT hold for once ( never understood why no ALT hold on the old ones). A gross weight increase so you can have 4 people on board with full fuel.

c401 and a more sporty version of the c303.

P337RG maybe a turboprop conversion?
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RE: GA Aircraft You Would Like To See Reproduced

Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:04 pm

What Baw2198 said, only with the C182RG added too Big grin
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