WeAreUnited
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AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:18 pm

Hello all.

I figured this would be a good place to ask about flights to Heathrow. I'm non reving on 31JAN05 from LAX-LHR. I have a ZED ticket, so I can use it on either AA or BA. I was planning on taking American as I thought I had a better chance of being upgraded. However, I hear that British FA's are pretty good about upgrading other flight crews if you bring gifts (ie: candy!). I have never flown either airline and do not know what to expect. I've flown on UA on this route and figured AA would be pretty much the same.

Anybody know the flight loads for these flights??? I'm curious to know... just to see what my chances are. My friend I'm flying with has never been on a larger plane then a 737-900. I'm very excited to fly with him on his first widebody/international flight.

LAX-LHR
AA136 Depart LAX @ 1905 Arrive LHR @ 1325 A/C type: 777

BA282 Depart LAX @ 1730 Arrive LHR @ 1210 A/C type: 744
BA268 Depart LAX @ 2045 Arrive LHR @ 1455 A/C type: 744


Any info on either airline would be great. Let me know what your opinions are...... I'd really appreciate it!
 
N1120A
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:22 pm

Well, considering this is your friend's first widebody international, why not fly BA and get the queen of the skies as your equipment. Also, with the bigger plane, you have a better shot (theoretically) at getting your upgrade. Additionally, an upgrade may mean a trip in the upper deck.
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richardw
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:40 pm

Choose a BA B744, join their Exec Club and pick the 2 seats together down the back.
You will get an amenity kit and a good breakfast, much better than AA.
 
aa777jr
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:01 pm

The gate agents at LAX for AA are pretty good about upgrades. I've never had to wait to recieve my upgrade at any AA gate at LAX, they always are very courteous in getting me a F class boarding pass. I have flown AA from ORD-LHR and service was great. Hope it works out for you to get upgraded regardless of carrier. LAX-LHR is a nice 10hr20min flight on AA #136 and returning is 11hr20min on #137, it would be very nice to be upgraded. Let us know.

Regards,
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behramjee
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:08 pm

Being a non reveune pax, you obviously have a better chance with 2 daily BA B 744s to LHR than a daily B 777 of AA!!!
 
Concorde001
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:49 pm

Personally, I'd choose BA!
P.S. Whats a ZED ticket?
 
KKMolokai
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:55 pm

ZED fares are applicable for coach travel only, and are not upgradeable.

AA's LHR flights are generally always full, and ZED standby will fall at the bottom of the non-rev standby list.
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fbgdavidson
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:10 pm

Also, with the bigger plane, you have a better shot (theoretically) at getting your upgrade. Additionally, an upgrade may mean a trip in the upper deck

BA are amongst the toughest airlines to get upgraded on. I'd say as a non-rev you'd have next to no chance of an upgrade. BA Golds, then other BA elites, then OW elites, then its anyones game! And since BA only upgrade one class unless in serious problems this is not worth the effort.

Choose a BA B744, join their Exec Club and pick the 2 seats together down the back.
You will get an amenity kit and a good breakfast, much better than AA


Can't join the Executive Club on a cheapo flight, especially non rev! You'll need to be a Y,B,H coach ticket to join the EC.

I'd be interested to know why you choose AA? 36" pitch and power port alone make the AA trip the most obvious option. In economy you have to buy by legroom, all food is crap and the amenity kit isn't any good!
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Flighttime
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:44 pm

Sorry to say BA crew (we abhor the term FA!), are not particularly good at upgrading. The fact is we simply won't know you are a flying colleague. Of course technically you are meant to introduce yourself to the SCCM if you are flying crew in case something goes wrong (potential ABP). But I've never had the nerve to do that as it seems rather 'obvious'. If you do say it subtly you may well be very lucky. But dont go profering sweeties whilst asking 'any chance...' Instantly will get our backs up.
P.s. Despite two jumbos a day I have seen crew on j/s with others left behind quite frequently and not during a traditionally busy time. Good luck whoever you go with.
 
WeAreUnited
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:17 am

Thanks for the replies. I've checked loads on the AA flight only, and the res agent said the flight is about half full. I realize that ZED tickets are not eligible for upgrades, but I've heard it can actually happen quite often.

As far as BA goes, my friend just got back from Norway via LHR on them yesterday. He was upgraded on both flights (LAX-LHR-Oslo) on his way there. He said he simply gave the crew the candy when he boarded, introduced himself as a fellow flight attendant, and took his seat. They ended up upgrading him after take-off to an upstairs ClubWorld seat. I'm would NEVER ask a crewmember for an upgrade. If anybody ever did that on my airline, I'd tell them to f*ck off (not really.. but you get my point). Kinda like airline employees assuming they get free drinks on all flights. I always want to charge them double when they do that.

I guess it all depends on who you ask and how good of a mood that person is in. I figured that BA would be hard to upgrade at the counter and figured the crew would not be able to upgrade you after you boarded. My friend proved me wrong with this theory so that's why I'm asking you all what you think. I think if I got stuck in coach though, AA would be better assuming their B777's still have MRTC. Any other suggestions? I just figured that bringing candy (or some other gift) would be a nice treat for the crew. If it happens to get my friend an I an upgrade, yay for us!
 
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:12 pm

I fly AA exclusively because of their itineraries to LIM. Having said that, I have to think that BA may have a much better product in economy. Those seats (I have never flown on the 777) on AA's planes are hard as rocks. The food is blah at best. This is my opinion being someone who often sits for two 5 hour segments on AA's planes. I have always heard good things about BA and I am a huge fan of the 747s.
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ozglobal
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:40 am

WeAreUnited

Not sure of your upgrade chances without OW status, but I recommend you experience long haul on a non-US carrier and, along with your friend, enjoy the difference. BA are quite reliable and have a very good Y product and service.
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BA380
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:58 pm

Definitely BA. Son't have to pay for drinks and the 744 is surely more fun than the T7 for a first-timer.
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WeAreUnited
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:19 am

Just got back from London a couple of days ago! Took BA and my friend and I loved it! We did get upgraded.... to ClubWorld. ClubWorld was pretty empty and it was so nice of the Cabin Service Director to give us the great seats!

Took United back from LHR the next day as we had to cut our trip short (a wallet and all of it's contents were stolen our 1st day). I think I'll do a trip report so keep your eyes posted for it soon.
 
ba299
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RE: AA Or BA LAX-LHR.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:45 pm

KKMolokai:

At BA and with lots of partner airlines ZED are applicable even for C class..

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