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A Sad Demise For A True Queen Of The Skies

Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:57 pm

Alas Concorde is gone. Shipped down the Thames in Pieces. How can man take a step backward in innovation. The finest, fastest and sexiest airliner EVER!!!! Nothing will ever come close.
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RE: A Sad Demise For A True Queen Of The Skies

Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:14 am

It's simple, Felix, no $$$$$ (bucks), not buck rogers......  Smile
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RE: A Sad Demise For A True Queen Of The Skies

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:03 am

Thankfully, most of the airframes have been preserved.

The same cannot be said about some earlier Queens of the Skies - the Boeing 377 Stratocruiser and the Boeing 314 Clipper come to mind.

Alas, Ship One DC-8 and DC-9 - along with the first two A300s - are no longer with us.
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RE: A Sad Demise For A True Queen Of The Skies

Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:45 am

I recently watched an episode of NOVA on PBS that featured the Concorde and how it came about. I would have given my left leg (maybe) to have flown on one. It was truly a marvel of engineering and design. It's truly a shame it never panned out financially for the Aerospatiale-BAC consortium. I believe the U.S.' effort to launch the Boeing SST and our jealousy because England and France beat us to the punch contributed to the Concorde's eventual downfall, especially when Pan Am withdrew its order.

But then the U.S. has Robert McNamara and the environmentalists to blame as well. McNamara never believed in the project and I suspect, but could never prove, that his hand in the development of the SST was intended to sabotage rather than encourage the project.

Many of Boeing's earlier jets (707, 727, 747) as well as the Douglas DC-8 and Convair 880 and 990 were enviornmentalist's worst dreams, but you didn't hear the outcry about these aircraft the way the U.S. protested the Concorde's sonic "boom". But then the U.S. didn't build the Concorde, did we?
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RE: A Sad Demise For A True Queen Of The Skies

Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:19 pm

US "jealousy" or "boycott" have nothing to do with Concorde not built in large numbers. All the problems with American market were solved to 1977 when the bird finally landed in NY (and had already a year and a half of service to Washington). But it took several more years before a decision was made to destroy the production tools. Why no more orders during this period, when American market was widely open? For sure, something else is to blame. Same as for why no successor is built. As for American role in Concorde story - without US market and American passengers it would be rather closer to "success" of Tu144. JFK is "the most supersonic" airport in history, and, AFAIK, majority of the passengers - at least, on regular routes - were Americans (while charter flights played much less role in commercial success - 9% of profit for BA, apparently not much more for AF). It was our economy and our market that allowed the Anglo-French marvel to grace the skies during more than quarter of a century...
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RE: A Sad Demise For A True Queen Of The Skies

Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:27 pm

At least aviation buffs and other people can still see some of the Concordes at some airports. Its better then not being able to see any.
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RE: A Sad Demise For A True Queen Of The Skies

Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:33 pm

an interesting, yet little know fact about the Concorde, is that the test pilots were trained partly by flying the XB-70 supersonic bomber. This was an experimental plane that was eventually able to cruise at over Mach 3, and used compression lift technology.

Note how the wingtips fold down during level flight for the compression lift, and return to horizontal on takeoff and landing. There are some great videos and pictures in the attached link.

One of the reasons that the US did not build the SST had to do with the experience gained by the XB-70 showed that it was not a practical aircraft.

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RE: A Sad Demise For A True Queen Of The Skies

Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:12 pm

I also never had the oppurtunity to fly on her. Last time I saw here was out of a South African B747 at LHR Terminal 1. She seemed holy-like in the early morning sun. A beautiful change to the in-flight entertainment on the long flight from JHB
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