dctraveler
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Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airways

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:16 pm

Hello everybody,

I need advise for my trip from Washington, DC to Berlin/Germany. After long time searching for best flights I have two option:

$530 for British Airways, everything is perfect,
+ departure time,
+ connection time
+ brand

$480 United to Munich, after all flights on Lufthansa.
+price
+never have flight with Lufthansa, very interesting

- United (I've read my negative feedbacks for United transatlantic flights)
- departure time 6 pm compare 9 pm for BA
- connection time coming back, only 1 hour in FRA

So here is my question should I prefer second option only because to have experience with Lufthansa and little cheaper or should I stay with my favorite BA.

Thanks in advance
 
SailorOrion
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:25 pm

If I had the choice between LHR and MUC, I'd definitely choose MUC. Even the 30 minutes connections they offer are no problem to make. 1 hour in FRA is just fine as well. UA IAD-MUC just got upgraded to a 777, later this year LH will add a second daily flight (A340, I dunno when your flight takes place).

What class will you be flying?

Celestar
 
dctraveler
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:29 pm

economy class

about aitcraft: United B777, Lufthansa 747, BA 777
 
DoorsToManual
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:30 pm

If I were in your position, I'd try someone else; you may be pleasantly surprised by the service on UA and LH. It's not just down to training, but to the individual crewmember. They can make the difference between a horrible trip, and a pleasant one.
 
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:31 pm

go fore LH, I personally also like BA, but connecting through MUC or FRA is much better than LHR, and you can save 50 bucks and ad a new airline that you have flown...

regards
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NoUFO
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:33 pm

My personal experiences with BA aren't the very best, but I have heard that's only the case because BA have a monopol on the routes I flew.

LH is an ok-airline for flights within Germany and one hour connection time at FRA is "doable" but BA's service aboard is certainly better than UA's. So if I were you I would stick to British Airways. But then ... I have flown LH a thousand times or so and fully understand you want to "collect" airlines.

That being said: Welcome to Berlin.
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SailorOrion
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:34 pm

While I am a true Lufthansa fan, I find their Y Class long-haul product to be ... efficient to put it carefully.

SailorOrion
 
scotron11
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:39 pm

If you have to transit LHR from T4 to T1 it's a pain in the neck.
 
dctraveler
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:43 pm

On United website I've just found that NO meal provided for transatlantic flight,  Confused only refreshments!!! For 7 hours flight? is it joke???

also let me again ask about 1 hour connection in FRA, is it enough for the first time stop at this airport.
 
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:50 pm

One hour at FRA is plenty, though not really comfortable. I'd say 40 minutes are the minimum.
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:52 pm

connection is no problem, because flight arrive and departed at the same terminal 1.

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NoUFO
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:57 pm

Right, UA flights depart at Terminal 1, too. And in contrast to LHR, FRA is a very convenient airport, I think.
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:57 pm

Dctraveler,

welcome to Berlin! What are you doing here?

One hint: if you fly into TXL (and the wind comes from the west, what is usually does) try to get a
left hand side window seat and you'll have a nice view over Berlin while approaching  Love

Greetings from Berlin

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NoUFO
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:03 am

try to get a left hand side window seat and you'll have a nice view over Berlin while approaching

Hm, I'm from Berlin and in fact I live in Prenzlauer Berg which is the district between TV tower and approach path, but for some reason I'm always disappointed when seeing Prenzberg from above.
It's so much nicer at Kollwitz Square, Helmholz Square and the like.  Smile

Oh and Tegel (both - district and airport) is/are ugly crap from the 60ies and 70ies.

[Edited 2005-02-09 16:05:15]
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SailorOrion
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:16 am

I think the "no meal" thing is a mistake. I always got food on that flight, and rather decent stuff as well...

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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:20 am

The 9.35pm departure from IAD-LHR is operated by a 747 and if you can sleep straight after the meal then you can get your body clock into UK time pretty easily.

The 6.30pm UA flight is a 767 (or was last time I went on it) and the timing seriously messes with you.

If it was direct on LH or BA with a connection I'd go direct since it is only a short flight, although since you have to connect on either itinerary I'd go with BA....despite having to connect and change terminals at LHR.
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:22 am

@NoUFO,
hello neighbor!
I live in the district Pankow (near S+U Pankow), about 500 meters south of the approach path.

I totally agree with you on TXL.

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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:28 am

I would take UA and LH...I don't much about UA product, but I have flown LH
many times....and I enjoy thier service.....Efficient service and friendly staff..no PTV though in economy( not a huge deal as far as I am concerned)..

Connecting through FRA is much much better then LHR...Avoid Heathrow if you can....
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:53 am

dctraveler......I've traveled on LH many, many years ago so I can't comment on them, but I've flown transatlantic on UA a few times. Its been a mixed result for me..........

I've traveled transatlantic (and trans europe, trans Asia) on BA a bunch of times, and I've yet to be disappointed..........while I'm not saying their service is the latest and greatest..........I can say I've never had a bad experience with them.......

That being said, their 777's are more comfortable than their 747's (of course, class of seats makes a difference also). But given your fare price, I assume you are flying in economy.......

Personally, I would fly BA..but thats just my opinion....but if you want to try something different, give Munich a whirl!

Also, some are saying 1hr in FRA is enough time, and I'm don't doubt them, but I get too nervous if my connecting flight is that close in time.........one never knows if there is a flight delay, etc. (its happened to me a bunch of times, so I've learned from experience)
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:06 am

Fbgdavidson...you are wrong. The 18:00 hour UA and Lufthansa flights (there's one for each airline at gates C-3 and C-2) are both 747-400s. The 9:35 pm UA flight is a 777.

fyi...these type of threads belong in Polls and Preferences which is where this one will end up. If you are thinking of posting a similar type thread, post it there and not in Civil Aviation.
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:12 am

Stick with BA. Better on transatlantic, good intra-Europe. UA - AVOID, LH - the most common feedback is 'efficient, but boring'.
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:39 am

Don't let comments here about connection at LHR put you off from flying BA. It is not as difficult as many try to make it seem. All you do is follow the Flight Connections signs for the terminal you need and take the bus shuttle over to that terminal. It's done by hundreds each day without complaint.

Which ever option you choose, I hope you enjoy the experience.
 
dctraveler
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:48 am

Checked again BA flights and… last hour fare jumped up to $700.  Wow!

So there is no choice now. Finally I’ve purchased UA/LH tickets for $476 on Orbitz.com and even found flight back with 2 hours connection at FRA.

I am going to Berlin with my personal art project, first time visit Germany, very excited.

Thank you all for great discussion.  Yawn
 
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:32 am

You'll have a great time flying United over the pond, I've had great experiences with them in economy!
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:38 am

Hi Dctraveler,

another Berliner wishes you a warm welcome to the German capital!!!
(for the other Berliners: Hi, great to hear there so many of us around. I live in Schöneberg, but until recently I lived in Moabit and always enjoyed hearing TXL at night, with my windows open. At least now, I get to see THF's path from my balcony.)

Well, now you already made your reservations. But I'll give you my comments anyway:

UA 777s are pretty nice, you have a PTV in Y-Class with a nice choice of several movies, and, yes, they will serve you dinner. Inner-German flights with LH are fine - nothing spectacular - you will just be served drinks. However, they have a gate buffet for every passenger with complimentary coffee, newspapers (English too), and in the morning hours sometimes somes apples or danish, too (well, at least, they used to do that - haven't seen that for quite a while). Besides, MUC's new T2 is really cool!

Good that you got 2 hours in FRA, 'cause you will have to transfer between concourses A and B, and that still takes some time, especially due to additional security for the US-flights.

LH's 747 to IAD is nothing exciting - there are no PTV's in Y-Class. A big minus for me. However, I agree, a new airline is always nice, and flying the queen of the skies is still something special.

Have a great trip and Willkommen in Deutschland!!!

Greetz
Fritz
 
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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:45 am

I wish you a pleasant transfer in Munich (my home). When are you travelling? If you have any question concerning the connection, I can help you out  Smile

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RE: Need Advise: United/Lufthansa Vs British Airwa

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:34 am

Fbgdavidson...you are wrong. The 18:00 hour UA and Lufthansa flights (there's one for each airline at gates C-3 and C-2) are both 747-400s. The 9:35 pm UA flight is a 777

Appears my post wasn't precise enough.

The 9.35pm departure with 747 I was referring to was BA

The 6.30pm departure I was referring to was UA, did this flight myself in June and wished I hadn't! Although I have heard a 747 has been subbed on UA920
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