JAM747
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The Next Air Force One?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:30 am

The present Air Force One 747 is almost 20yrs old. Is there any idea what the next Air Force One will be? Does the president need the size of a 747/ 747adv or would the size of a 777 or 787 be enough? Then again if Airbus wins the Air Force Tanker deal and builds a factory in the U.S could the next Air Force One be an Airbus?
 
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:02 am

Quoting JAM747 (Thread starter):
The present Air Force One 747 is almost 20yrs old.

In about five years or so. The current VC-25 is still in it's infant stage compared to it's airline serving counter parts. Don't look for an "Air Force One" replacement for at least 10-15 years at the very minimum.

But to answer the question, look for it to be a 747ADV.
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:27 am

Not sure.. but I do know that because of the huge number of contracts the government does with Boeing, it will most likely not be an Airbus.
 
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:05 am

I agree, I dont think that it will be an airbus. I think that it will either be an 747-400 or a 747-ADV. Because the presidant means power and not a better way to show it than an american, huge, powerful 747-400 or ADV. The 747 is everything the Presidant is supposed to stand for. Well thats my opinion.

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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:12 am

Wouldn't it be weird to see the U.S. president flying around in a foreign plane? Or maybe it's just me...
Would the A380 be too big?
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 4):
Would the A380 be too big?

Not for President Bush. Big grin
But a big plane is political better than a small one. Big plane - strong country.

But to come back to the topic.

It will definatly be no Airbus, expect a Boeing. But think about that how long the 707's flew. Weren't they introduced in the 60's and outphased in the 90's?

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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:18 am

Quoting Aerlingus330 (Reply 3):
s. I think that it will either be an 747-400 or a 747-ADV. Because the presidant means power and not a better way to show it than an american, huge, powerful 747-400 or ADV.

Yea. That's what I'm thinking too. It would probobly be the 747-ADV.

Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 4):
Wouldn't it be weird to see the U.S. president flying around in a foreign plane?

Haha yea I was thinking that too. Which is probobly one of the reasons the US government does most of their stuff with Boeing.. It's Made in the US.

Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 4):
Would the A380 be too big?

Heck no! Er at least not for the president. :p But once again, Boeing's a/c are made in the USA as previously mentioned so yea.

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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:48 am

Right now it would be a 747-400/ER, in future years a 747ADV if it happens or possibly a 777-300/ER if it doesn't. I can't imagine the US Government buying passanger aircraft that aren't Boeing.
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:23 pm

The main Air Force 1 will probably have to be a four engine jet because of the performance requirements. They do not want to take off from some remote part of the world, suck in some ducks, turn around and wait for a new GE90 to arrive. Since it might need to serve as a military command center and it needs to protect the President the safety factor of four engines is significant consideration since in an emergency they do not want to cancel the flight because of a questionable engine or engine damage from an attack. For most overseas trips, the 747 is the only option.

For political reasons, they will probably not buy an Airbus, unless it is built mostly in the U.S. Perhaps Airbus could create a kit, like Douglas did with several planes sold to China as parts and assembled there. It still seems highly unlikely, but the new Marine 1 opened the door on that possibility.

The Air Force always seems to purchase the previous generation of planes so they will probably stick with the current 747s and 757s that they are using for quite some time. The current Air Force 1 ended up being the last 747-200s because the planning started before the -400 program, although the first -400s had already rolled of the line before the new Air Force 1 was complete. They were still flying the Kennedy era 707s long after they had disappeared from airline fleets, and could have flown them to this day because of the low number of cycles on them.
 
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:10 am

I say they should try on the 777 for size...I think it would do a fantastic job. I've flown on them several times, and the 777 would be a great choice. Probably will end up being another 747 though.
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:55 am

I agree with what's been said above...either a 747-400 or a 777 variant.

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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 4):
Wouldn't it be weird to see the U.S. president flying around in a foreign plane?

I didn't think either that the next Air Force One would be a foreign plane, I only threw in the " Airbus" thought because of the recent Marine One situation.

I know the current Air Force One has a lot of life left in , but I wanted see other peoples' opinion of when the time does come for a placement. It could be at that time that the 747 advanced will be in production or the aviation industry or a/c choices could be different than now
 
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:52 pm

The B747Adv
I dont think the A380 would do.
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:07 am

Can anyone fill me in with the Marine 1 situation everyone is talking about?
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:45 am

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 8):
The main Air Force 1 will probably have to be a four engine jet because of the performance requirements. They do not want to take off from some remote part of the world, suck in some ducks, turn around and wait for a new GE90 to arrive

Ok.. so that would pretty much rule out the possibility for the A330 and 777.
 
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:31 am

I was thinking the A380 might not be able to go into some airports, and that in that case the president would have to use a different A/C. Otherwise I'm sure he would like the extra space.
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RE: The Next Air Force One?

Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:30 am

With regards to 767-332ER's request, may I provide some info on the Marine 1 question?

I believe, IMHO, that an Airbus may be a choice for an AF1 replacement, as the Navy has chosen as a replacement for the current fleet of Marine 1's (VH-3D's and VH-60's, made by Sikorsky Aircraft) the US-101, made by Augusta-Westland primarily in Italy and the UK, with final assembly in the US by Lockheed-Martin. Some say it was for political reasons, to reward our overseas friends for Iraq involvement, some say it was the better aircraft, but that is irrelevant. What is important is that it opened our (US) purchases to real overseas competitors. With the Air Force order in question, I agree that Airbus has no reason not to be a contender for this order, as many of you have pointed out the virtues of the different aircraft possibly in consideration. This is my first post, and I hope it was helpful. Personally, I am a fan of.....Airbus.

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