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Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:25 pm

I've realized that on some airlines such as VN, the windows seem to be scratched, which basically means that pictures out of the window are impossible to get perfect.
How often do airlines exchange windows?
Doesn't it bother you as well to get a window seat, only to find that it is scratched.
Any replies would be welcome.

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Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:33 pm

Windows are quite expensive and therefore not changed very often. The only time I remember changing windows was if we found them to be delaminating. Otherwise it was a quick polish and put back.

Also, the inner window is usually plastic, which is not as resistant to scratches etc. What people do to scratch the inner window is beyond me.

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Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:30 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 1):
Also, the inner window is usually plastic, which is not as resistant to scratches etc. What people do to scratch the inner window is beyond me.

Most windows that I have worked on have an inner and outer pane(both plastic-usually Lexan) and a thin inner "scratch" pane which protects the inner pane from scratching. This scratch pane is inexpensive(relatively) and easily replaced. Often the outer pane will be scratched due to debris in the airflow hazy due to crazing.

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Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:32 pm

I know this is a bit off topic - but you guys seem window experts: I've noticed that quite often there is dust between the different layers of windows. How does that get there? Aren't they airtight?

And yes, I hate scratched windows as well. I'm wondering whether people are using their fingernails on them - "let me out of here"-like...

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Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:37 am

Quoting ATCisgreat (Reply 3):
I've noticed that quite often there is dust between the different layers of windows. How does that get there? Aren't they airtight?

There is a small hole drilled in the inner pane that equalizes the air pressure between the 2 panes with the cabin pressure. Dust can enter through this hole. The outer pane is the true pressure seal. In the event of an outer pane failure, the inner pane will hold pressure with just a tiny leak through the hole. There is no chance of cabin depressurization in this case.

The things that I've noticed that most often obscures the clarity of a window are hair oils and hair care products on the scratch pane from people sleeping up against them. I wouldn't think that natural oil from a person's hair would damage the plastic(it is really gross though), but some hair sprays, gels, and other chemicals people put in their hair do a number on these scratch panels.

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Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:27 am

On B6, I got the first seat on the left, and the window for this seat is the one the walkway rests against when pressed up against the plane. Therefore, the window was totally scratched up and pictures were useless. If you fly B6, don't get seat 1A!

Also, AA ATR's seem to have their windows cleaned with wire brushes. I have never had a good window on one of those planes.

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Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:00 pm

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 4):
There is a small hole drilled in the inner pane that equalizes the air pressure between the 2 panes with the cabin pressure.

I've always wanted to know what that hole was for  biggrin 
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RE: Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:47 am

As a fan of window seats, I HATE it when I sit down to a window that is scratched or worse has gunk, hair oil, hair products or worse smeared on it. Makes me want to carry windex with me. Try explaining that to TSA!  silly 
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RE: Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:30 am

Quoting SBN580 (Reply 7):
Makes me want to carry windex with me. Try explaining that to TSA!

I put it in a juice container!! Douh!!

I had this problem on my NW flight from MSP to DTW (Do I need to say DC-9?). The window (just aft of the wing on the port side) was in horrible shape!! It seemed like ramming a gate into the fu¢ker would have been doing it a favor!! I got no pictures worth anything on that trip, very dissapointing...
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RE: Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:47 am

Quoting SBN580 (Reply 7):
Makes me want to carry windex with me.

Believe it or not I actually tried that! The stupid TSA loser said it was "flammible" and to never try to bring it onboard again. So that dosen't work to well.. besides, I don't see how I'm going to hijack a plane with a bottle of windex , anyways! But the laws, the law.. and unfourtunatle me-being a law-abiding citizen- must respect those laws.(i said "law" 4 times in the same sentence haha..)
 
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RE: Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:58 am

Thanks for all these replies.
What i always do is just use a small towel/tissue to wipe the window, incase dirt is present. This doesn't help if it's scratched though.
True, making photos through scratched windows is almost useless!

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RE: Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:56 pm

Hey these planes fly thousands of people. I understand your dilema.Why don't you ask your Flight Attendant to switch seats or ask for a alcohol wet wipe,they seem to clean the panel great!
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RE: Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:12 pm

It's such a deal for me now travelling, the last two flights I took, AA LHR-LAX, LAX-AUS, I just keep the window closed the entire flight. Unfortunately, I was in cattle class and couldn't get an isle on either flight, so I used the window shade on both flights.

Off topic: It is a sight when you open the window shade on a long haul flight and can see the ice formed around the window from flying so high for so long.
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RE: Scratched Windows, Aren't They Annoying?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:17 pm

Quoting Jetboyflyhi (Reply 11):
Why don't you ask your Flight Attendant to switch seats

On the VN A320's i've been on, every window was more or less scratched, and it seems like, if , then all the windows are scratched.

Quoting Jetboyflyhi (Reply 11):
or ask for a alcohol wet wipe,they seem to clean the panel great!

Thanks for that advice, i'll try that if my window is scratched.

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 12):
It is a sight when you open the window shade on a long haul flight and can see the ice formed around the window from flying so high for so long.

I love it when that happens, it makes me think that i am travelling somewhere far away from home.


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