jfidler
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Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:48 am

I'm planning a trip that will route me FRA-GRU-EZE in mid-June. I'm using Star Alliance points so I'm limited to Varig and Lufthansa (the other options transit through North America, which increases the # of points required).

My main concern is the FRA-GRU flight, as that's nearly 12 hours. Here are my options:

Lufthansa B744
Lufthansa A346
Varig B772

I'll be in economy class. As far as I can tell, neither of the Lufthansa planes have PTVs, which would be somewhat nice. I looked on Varig's site and did some Googling, and I couldn't find seat maps or information about if they offer PTVs in economy class. Does anyone know?

Any recommendations for which to take? I've never been on the A346 before, but according to seatguru.com I have 1 less inch of seat pitch on LH's A346 versus the B744. My main concerns are comfort (space), followed by PTVs, followed by food/service.
 
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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:06 am

Well i can not tell you about Varig but i flew FRA-GRU-SCL on an A346 of LH last Friday. As for me because i am 6 ft 4 it was quite narrow because LH only has a seat pitch of 31". Then again the A346 is a wonderful plane to fly in and i really enjoyed the friendly service of LHs FAs. The PVT option is a point but if VARIG doesn´t have any PVTs as well so i would rather stick to LH because i would rather fly an A346 then on a 777 because it has a very drz cabin and im sensible to that.

It still is a question of likes and dislikes and you have to decide yourself.

Good luck and a good flight in june
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jfidler
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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:18 am

Thanks for the information. I did a search on this site, and based on 772 cabin pictures, it appears that Varig does have PTV's. Can anyone verify that this would also be for the 772s on the FRA-GRU run?


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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:20 am

As fas as I know, RG has PTV on it's 777. Their MD11 doesn't.
 
jush
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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:30 am

If the seat pitch is the same or even better you should consider taking Varig. 12 hours without PVT and only crappy radiochannels can bore the sh*t out off you.
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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:48 am

I know that PP-VRA and PP-VRB has PTVs in economy. What I'm not sure is if the later models (ex-BA and ex-UAL) also has the PTVs.

Is Varig flying regularly the 777 to FRA? I've seen some flights heading that way with the MD-11.
 
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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:35 am

Yes but I think Varig does not use the 777 from Frankfurt, only MD11 unless they change the equipment. So anyway you would find no PTV on both options.

Even a long flight, it is a nightime one. You leave FRA late in the evening and arrive GRU first thing in the morning. You can catch sleep so is not that bad.

You stay in Sao Paulo or you continue direct to Buenos Aires? If it is Lufthansa, you fly the 747-400 and remain on the aircraft during the stop to GRU. Then you have a couple more hours to EZE. There is a very good trip report writen recently over this flight (by user Marambio, on Trip reports). Check it out.
 
jfidler
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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:46 am

According to the schedule on staralliance.com, Varig is using a 772 on flight 8741 FRA-GRU on 15 June. Is there a reason to believe that information is inaccurate?

On that routing, I would have to switch planes to a Varig MD-11 (RG8640) for the GRU-EZE leg. I normally need a visa to travel to Brazil. Would it not be necessary since I'm just transiting? I've heard of some airports where you have to go through immigration if you are transiting between 2 terminals in the same airport. It's been a long time since I was in GRU, so I don't remember how things were set up there.
 
lima
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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:51 am

I transit very often at GRU and never had to do inmigration. You only go again through security. Since Lufthansa and Varig operate from the same pier, you just leave the aircraft, walk to the end and re-enter the gate area.
 
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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:33 am

Good evening,

Varig operates the Boeing 777-200 from Sao Paulo to Frankfurt, mainly because they codeshare with Lufthansa and they want both airlines to have about the same equipment level (comfort wise).

Out of the three routes you mention, I'd first of all eliminate the LH 346 one. Having flown the 346 about six times, the aircraft isn't anything to write home about. Seat pitch is 31 inches and legroom is simply ridiculous, although this seems to be normal in all Lufthansa intercontinental planes.

The 744 is a bit better in my opinion, the seat pitch and legroom being somewhat wider (still very average). You won't get PTVs either, but personally I like the 747 more than the 346. Service is usually good, yet it depends a lot on the crew you get. Besides, the 744 flight would be a couple of hours shorter, since the lay-over at GRU is a mere 45 minutes, instead of some 3 hours.

As of Varig, they are a good airline, too. Their 777s all have PTVs, although they are not AVOD. They are currently serving EZE with a mix of M11s and 737s, which are ok for a 2:30-flight. Service in Varig is good, but you also rely a lot on your crew's humour. Food tends to be about the same in both RG and LH.

I'm just writing out of my personal experiences. I'm a very frequent flier with LH (Senator), and next July I believe I'll give a try to RG. Both products are about the same, so it's up to you!

Saludos,
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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:23 am

I believe all of RG's 777s have PTVs. The programming differs from aircraft to aircraft, though.
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jfidler
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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:56 am

Thanks for all the information. I just booked my flights. I was using FF miles and the RG flights had no more seats, so I'm on the LH 744 FRA-GRU-EZE and back again. My trip is originating out of TLL so on the way over I'll be on an LH 735, and coming back I take an LH 735 FRA-WAW, then an LO ERJ145 to TLL (this was the quickest routing to minimize time spent in FRA).

No PTVs on the 744, so I guess I'll just hope the movies that play when I'm awake are interesting!  Wink
 
jush
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RE: Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE

Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:33 am

Well enjoy your flight then. I will fly back to FRA in May and i would love to fly on the 744 but i have to take the A346. Don't think i don't like the Airbus though but i would love to fly the Queen of the skies...

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