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Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:08 am

hey guys!

Am planning a one-way trip to Italy in october, from SCL to attend a master.
One route am consider ir SCL-EZE-MXP. SCL-EZE on LanChile and EZE-MXP on Alitalia 777. But i would like to know what about alitalis´on board service? the 777 has ptv´s? video on demand? personal enterntainment? and what about the f/a?

chau.....
 
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:16 pm

Quoting Kavanagh (Thread starter):
But i would like to know what about alitalis´on board service? the 777 has ptv´s? video on demand? personal enterntainment? and what about the f/a?

AZ's services to EZE and GRU with the B777 are excellent, all seats have PTVs, on board food is great, and the overall quality you could expect from flying a B777, which is the top product in the market nowadays.

Note that AZ's routes to EZE and GRU are as follows: 5 x week to/from MXP and 2 x week to/from FCO. You can expect loads about +90% on these flights.

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Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:45 pm

Quoting Kavanagh (Thread starter):
and what about the f/a?

Well, that is another point. IMO , and as for what I have heard from companions that have flown from EZE to MXP, the service on AZ is quite bad, being the FA often unpollite and the service below "normal " levels for such a big Airline.

In your place , I´d rather fly LH on their georgeous A346 or LAN via MAD. ( which by the way offer e3xcellent service on intercon flights )

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Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:59 pm

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 2):
georgeous A346

While I can understand that A346 vs 777 might be a matter of opinion...but surely staring at an empty hole in the seat in front of you is not:


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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:17 pm

Hello Kavanagh,

I flew once the route and had a very good experience. Despite the bad service reputation I had a good impression. Food was better than competitors and F/A correct. It is a "latin" service concept, some F/A were very friendly naturally, others just doing their job by the book only that.

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Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:55 pm

Quoting Lima (Reply 4):
It is a "latin" service concept, some F/A were very friendly naturally, others just doing their job by the book only that.

As Sebastian stated, you can expect a "latin" service on board AZ - something I personally like, much better that the Asian subservience.

As I said, AZ B777 is great, and I consider it a top quality product in the market.

One tip for you: you may book you trip SCL-GRU-MXP with a RG ticket but flying AZ on the GRU-MXP leg (this because RG has a full codeshare with AZ on this route). Of couse, I would avoid by all means the RG GRU-MXP daily service with their horrible MD-11.

This would be your flight schedule:

RG 8923 SCL 07:00 - GRU 11:45 Non-stop
B737-800
RG 7200 GRU 15:05 - MXP 07:15 +1 day(s) Non-stop
B777-200

Total flight time: 18h15min.

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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:27 pm

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 3):
While I can understand that A346 vs 777 might be a matter of opinion...but surely staring at an empty hole in the seat in front of you is not:

Hi AirxLiban

I prefer the 772 over the 346 without any doubt... What I meant is that I´d rather fly on a DC- 9 from SCL to MXP but well attended and with fine staff than on the glorious 777. AZ is not going to see a penny from my pocket...

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Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:05 am

Thanks you all!
I really appreciate your suggestions and answers.

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 2):
In your place , I´d rather fly LH on their georgeous A346 or LAN via MAD. ( which by the way offer e3xcellent service on intercon flights )

of course my first option would be Lan Chile via MAD and connecting some IBERIA flight at the new Barajas (hope be ready soon). Two reasons for that, first: am a LANPASS member, second: i just think LanChile is one of the top airlines in the region. LH Lufthansa is an option but i just dont like it. Anyhow, ALITALIA´S option is cheap and never being on a 777, so thats important to me. And SKYTEAM it seems better than star alliance and being in Italy i´ve plans to flight to the States and another cities within Europe...

Quoting Lima (Reply 4):
You go to Bocconi?

No, LIMA, I´ll attend either Politecnico di Milano or IUAV at Venice. But I´ve relatives at MXP, so no matter what city I´ll study in, my arrival terminal IS MXP.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
One tip for you: you may book you trip SCL-GRU-MXP with a RG ticket but flying AZ on the GRU-MXP leg (this because RG has a full codeshare with AZ on this route). Of couse, I would avoid by all means the RG GRU-MXP daily service with their horrible MD-11.

Thanks for your tip! But am considering EZE because I would be able to make an stop over in order to do some shopping and I love Buenos Aires very much, so a day in that city is a must.


Well..... ALITALIA is my option then!!!!! a new airline and a new aircraft for my list...Thanks again!!!!

Chau
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:19 am

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 2):
In your place , I´d rather fly LH on their georgeous A346 or LAN via MAD. ( which by the way offer e3xcellent service on intercon flights )

Apart from the A346 there's nothing really special about LH's operation to SCL. Ancient IFE, bad seat pitch and getting nice F/As is a question of luck only.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 3):
My vote is for the AZ 772, hands down!

I would agree...but with Alitalia being on strike regularly for whatever reasons, they are simply an very unreliable airline.

Quoting Kavanagh (Reply 7):
Well..... ALITALIA is my option then!!!!! a new airline and a new aircraft for my list...Thanks again!!!!

Why don't you give Air France a try? B777 as well, plus great service, satisfying IFE, plus giving you Skyteam miles, too.


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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:25 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 8):
Apart from the A346 there's nothing really special about LH's operation to SCL

Well, LH A346 business class, however, is a TOP product and one of the best in the market. in fact, the only airlines operating lie-flat seats on business class in Latin America are LH (A346), TAM (A330), BA (B747) and SA (A346).

Quoting Udo (Reply 8):
I would agree...but with Alitalia being on strike regularly for whatever reasons, they are simply an very unreliable airline.

Now you mentioned AZ's most fragile point. AZ is very unreliable indeed. Good point here.

Quoting Udo (Reply 8):
Why don't you give Air France a try? B777 as well

Good point: AF B777 operating to GRU and EZE-SCL is an excellent product, but normally speaking their fares are very high.

Quoting Kavanagh (Reply 7):
of course my first option would be Lan Chile via MAD and connecting some IBERIA flight

I myself would run away from IB domestic flight AT ANY COST!

Rgs,
 
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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 9):
Good point: AF B777 operating to GRU and EZE-SCL is an excellent product, but normally speaking their fares are very high.

Oh yes!!!! yes they are!!!! i cant beleive how expensive an AF tkt is. I´ll travel in october. AZ´s fare is US$ 930 and AF`s fare is US$ 2309!!!!!! oh boy!, that fare would be ok if i get first class seats and on the CONCORDE!!!!!!!!
ALITALIA is my option. Definitly!

Quoting Udo (Reply 8):
I would agree...but with Alitalia being on strike regularly for whatever reasons, they are simply an very unreliable airline

Well... yes, thats true. And if a strike (sciopero in italian) happens, what can i do? Smile and think this is part of the adventure. The tkt is almost alredy paid, so....

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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:30 am

Alitalia has an oustanding safety record and excellent pilots, but beyond that the service is unreliable (prone to strikes), cabin crew are usually downright disinterested at best and typically unprofessional. The planes are nice enough and if you need to have a PTV, fly them. Otherwise, take someone else. AZ sucks.
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:13 am

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 11):
Alitalia has an oustanding safety record and excellent pilots, but beyond that the service is unreliable (prone to strikes), cabin crew are usually downright disinterested at best and typically unprofessional. The planes are nice enough and if you need to have a PTV, fly them. Otherwise, take someone else. AZ sucks.

Aside from the strikes, I find Continental to be the exact same as what you described above...
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:27 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 9):
the only airlines operating lie-flat seats on business class in Latin America

Unless I am quoting a mistaken statement from Mexican a.netters, MX also offers lie-flat seats in business class in their 6 weekly MEX-EZE flights (it is a 767-300ER leased from SK).
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:25 am

Alitalia744, I don't think Continental's employees stage strikes as often as with such exuberance as Alitalia's.....I think you're not drawing a logical comparison.

Alitalia is a dinosaur, a state-sponsored, bloated, inefficient carrier that no one really wants to have in an alliance. KLM kicked AZ out after a year, and AF refused to integrate further via SkyTeam unless AZ got its house in order.

Frequent Strikes
Surly Cabin Crews
Frequent Delays

Alitalia "dedicata a me?" I think not.
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:30 am

ContinentalEWR,

Please take time to re-read what I said...

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 12):
Aside from the strikes, I find Continental to be the exact same as what you described above...

Now, re-read what you just said...

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 14):
Alitalia744, I don't think Continental's employees stage strikes as often as with such exuberance as Alitalia's.....I think you're not drawing a logical comparison.

There you go, reading 101. I think you're not making a logical reply Smile
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 12):
Aside from the strikes, I find Continental to be the exact same as what you described above...

Amen!
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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:42 am

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 14):
Alitalia is a dinosaur, a state-sponsored, bloated, inefficient carrier that no one really wants to have in an alliance. KLM kicked AZ out after a year, and AF refused to integrate further via SkyTeam unless AZ got its house in order.

ALITALIA alredy joins SKYTEAM.

No ofenses, but American Airlines and United Airlines are the best airlines in the states.... Continental and Delta ar both on bankrupcy, as far as i know AZ is not. Ok, state help, but what airline has no financial support nowdays? LAN one of the few profitable companies.
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:07 pm

Quoting Kavanagh (Reply 17):
No ofenses, but American Airlines and United Airlines are the best airlines in the states.... Continental and Delta ar both on bankrupcy,

Incorrect.

United and US Airways are in bankruptcy. Delta isn't far from it.

American, Continental, and Northwest are stable.
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:14 pm

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 14):
Alitalia is a dinosaur, a state-sponsored, bloated, inefficient carrier that no one really wants to have in an alliance. KLM kicked AZ out after a year, and AF refused to integrate further via SkyTeam unless AZ got its house in order.

Many US carriers may learn from AZ.
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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:21 am

I've flown to EZE from Europe with many airlines: Airfrance (777 via cdd), Alitalia (777 via FCO and MXP), Alitalia on Varig AC (MD11 via GRU), LH via FRA on A346, IB via MAD on 747 (unfortunately I didn't fly the new A346), and AR on old 742 via MAD.
The very best fligt was on AZ in business. AZ flies only in 2 class, the first/business is called "Magnifica", that means wonderfull in english, that, on 777 is quoite better than others business (for istance on AF 777 the business is 2+3+2, while on AZ is 2+2+2).
Also in Economy AZ and AF (that use in this class the same configuration), are in my opinion better than other products. IB and LH doesn't have individual IFE, while the leg room, in my opinion, is quite the same.
AR is really the worst option, even if it's quite cheeper.
I see that now AR flies from EZE to FCO on A340. Probably the product is a bit better.
 
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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:40 am

Azmd80.
Thanks for your opinion.
AZ is my optiom!!!!
 
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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:15 pm

Azmd:

Quoting Azmd80 (Reply 20):
AR is really the worst option, even if it's quite cheeper.
I see that now AR flies from EZE to FCO on A340. Probably the product is a bit better.

I wouldn't write-off AR so quickly. Half of AR's flights to MAD are now operated by 747-400s, which also (not now cause one is in for a C-Check) serve FCO once a week; the remaining frequencies are indeed served by A340s.

There is no denying that AR do not have PTVs in economy, but the food is much improved, and the pitch is a generous 35" in economy, while in Club Cóndor, the seats may not recline as far as BA or LH, but they are very comfortable and nicely spaced out.

The AR of today is very different from the one of pre-2002, and probably more reliable than AZ, who in spite of their PTVs and comfortable service, are of a very "latin" reliability at present, due to their financial situation, which believe me, is one of very few reasons as to why I won't be flying them to EZE any time soon.

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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:12 pm

LCZXV
I'have heard of great improvement in AR services.
I've flown after 2002 via MAD with a 742, that was real old. The services is good, but I don't remember 35'' in economy.
Certanly with new ac like 340 or 744 with the leg space you told, AR will became an interesting option.

PTV are in my opinion in a flight like FCO EZE (more than 13h) a real important plus also in economy.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:47 pm

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 11):
Alitalia has an oustanding safety record and excellent pilots, but beyond that the service is unreliable (prone to strikes), cabin crew are usually downright disinterested at best and typically unprofessional.

God... I've flown AZ many times and never experienced a bad service onboard or unprofessional F/As... As for strikes they don't usually affect intercontinental flights. May it be you weren't lucky?
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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:44 am

Alitalia's 777 service is the best longhaul product I ever flew on (and my flight log includes, among others, CX and NH). I took a ride in summer 2003 from MXP to JFK and back: cheap ticket, nice food, comfortable legroom and state-of-the-art IFE featuring Audio/Video On Demand: it was like listening to my own Mp3s and/or watching my own DVDs! Furthermore, it featured all the video-games I could think of.

Talking about flight attendants, AZ is certainly a very unionized carrier: had it not been Italy's flag carrier, it would have ended up like EA many years ago. Inspite of that I didn't find AZ staff to be particularly better or worse than any other European/North American airline. I found rude crew members in all airlines! Of course they aren't Singapore Airlines, but it is exaggerated to avoid them just because of the F/As.

And don't worry, AZ will not go belly up before October...you can buy the ticket without worry!

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RE: Alitalia's On Board Service EZE-MXP?

Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:56 am

I am going to go a bit off topic here, so sorry about that...

What is AZ's service like between MAN-MXP and MXP-FLR?

I am booked on both these flights in May (MD80 & A319).

I am curious as to what the service will be like as I am going to be flying these flights quite a bit in the next 15-18months.

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