CaptainTim
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Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Sun May 01, 2005 9:06 am

I just read an article recently taht Netjets Pilot are striking to their mother company and the CEO Berkshire Hathaway and Warren Buffet becuase of terrible pay and benefits..

"Eighteen percent of our pilots make a salary that qualifies them for public assistance -- that is unacceptable"

is it really that bad?? does any other pilot feel that their company should pay them more? and is it really true that nowadays pilots can be paid so low that hthey qualify for welfare??

thanks
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Sun May 01, 2005 9:23 am

Quoting CaptainTim (Thread starter):
is it really true that nowadays pilots can be paid so low that hthey qualify for welfare??

Yep, very true. For the first few years pilots with a family can qualify for food stamps. Kinda sad, but once you get some senority the pay does go up...

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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Sun May 01, 2005 1:38 pm

May be a little off-topic, but the average jetblue First officer makes $52,896.48 a month (statistical average). For quite a while after getting emoloyeed by an airline I'll proboly just be living in an apartment at some major hub or something, so I should be pretty good for a while.  Smile
 
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Sun May 01, 2005 1:42 pm

That still isnt good pay for a First Officer. For successfully and safely getting people across the country, they deserve way more than that.
 
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Sun May 01, 2005 11:46 pm

Okay, I think you mean that they get paid $52,896.48 a year. And yes that is the "Average" go to www.airlinepilotpay.com and look up JetBlue, the get paid by the flight hour and a first Officer starts at $51,00 and hour and is guaranteed to be paid for at least 70 hours a month so that is at least $42,840 a year. So yes, there are pilots that make more than $52,896.98 but there are also pilots that get paid less. Considering that we spend so much money on our education, I think, (like Doctors who spend a lot of money on their education), should get paid well at the start. But that is my opinion. swimpilot
 
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Mon May 02, 2005 2:32 am

Quoting jetblue:
Estimated annual pay based on 81 hours (projected average) per month would be $52,896.48 (plus per diem of $2.00/hour)

I dunno.. maybe it is talking about year.
 
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Mon May 02, 2005 4:19 am

I have a question here. Looking at the pilot pay rates for CO on that website, lets say I'm hired and am getting paid on the "LN First Officer" pay scale. I fly as FO for 6 years, so I assume Id be making $100 and hour at the time, then lets say I upgrade to LN Captain. Would I start over from year one since it is my first year as a Capt. and be making $30 an hour again, or, because I have 6yrs. with the airline would I make $155 an hour?

Thanks for the help!
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swimpilot
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Mon May 02, 2005 4:55 am

You would start over. It is kinda like a probation period. But, after a year you will jump up again to $150 then $151, and so-on. It works out to be a crap load of money in the end.
 
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Tue May 03, 2005 11:39 am

The lowest payed F/O in regional airlines make 19 dollars an hour for around 75 hours a month you can do the math. Like any other high paying industry the workers go through some bad times to make that 100k salary during the first 5 to 10 years.

Doctors - 20K or more/year as ER doctors for fist 5 to 10 years,
Lawyers - 20kto 40K/first couple of years,
Real estate associate - 30k/year first couple of years years,
Pilots - welfare first year.
 
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Tue May 03, 2005 12:53 pm

I have to disagree with you there. My brother-in-law is a recent graduate of Loma Linda Medical University and he has been a practicing Doctor for about 2 years now, and being a pediatrician, he has told me that he makes around $75,000 a year AFTER mal-practice is taken deducted. So, Doctors make the money right out of school. Lawyers I dont know about, but, I am guessing, if you can get the clients, you can get the money. We are just jipped when it comes to making money for the start.
 
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Thu May 05, 2005 7:54 am

First year pilots at a regional airline make pretty crappy money. The lowest paid pilot right now makes about the same as the average bus driver. It gets better after the first year, but not much. Check out airlinepilotcentral.com
It gives you an idea of what pilots make. The FAA does not allow them to fly for more then 1000 hours a year, and most dont get anywhere near that.
 
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Thu May 05, 2005 8:01 am

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 6):
I have a question here. Looking at the pilot pay rates for CO on that website, lets say I'm hired and am getting paid on the "LN First Officer" pay scale. I fly as FO for 6 years, so I assume Id be making $100 and hour at the time, then lets say I upgrade to LN Captain. Would I start over from year one since it is my first year as a Capt. and be making $30 an hour again, or, because I have 6yrs. with the airline would I make $155 an hour?

To the best of my knowledge, before becoming a Captian of any airplane, you will first progess to widebody FO. Then you would start again as an SN captain.

edit: this is assuming you go along with regular seniority ranks and dont chose to stay on one aircraft for an extremely long period of time.

[Edited 2005-05-05 01:02:26]
 
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Thu May 05, 2005 9:42 am

Quoting Swimpilot (Reply 9):
and being a pediatrician, he has told me that he makes around $75,000 a year AFTER mal-practice is taken deducted.

Yes, but he did complete four years of college, four years of medical school, and worked essentially as a slave (up until a few years ago it was not uncommon to have a resident working 120 hours a week). So factor in those bills and tell me what he makes.

I probably shouldn't say this on an aviation site, but IMO being a doctor is ten times harder than being a pilot.

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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Thu May 05, 2005 10:43 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 12):
I probably shouldn't say this on an aviation site, but IMO being a doctor is ten times harder than being a pilot.

You're right you shouldn't!

Ok, I spent 4 years in college 2 years Masters, 10 years military (active duty) and 10 years ANG. I grew up with one of my parents who was a surgeon. Is being a physician a tough job, yes. Tougher than an airline pilot? I wouldn't say it's tougher, it's just as stressful, but not tougher. Funny thing is I don't know of any doctors who have to pass the boards every 6 months, have to have a physical every 6 months.

Just my opinion.
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RE: Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?

Thu May 05, 2005 12:18 pm

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 6):
I have a question here. Looking at the pilot pay rates for CO on that website, lets say I'm hired and am getting paid on the "LN First Officer" pay scale. I fly as FO for 6 years, so I assume Id be making $100 and hour at the time, then lets say I upgrade to LN Captain. Would I start over from year one since it is my first year as a Capt. and be making $30 an hour again, or, because I have 6yrs. with the airline would I make $155 an hour?

I am pretty sure you would not have to restart because don't you usually go to being a captain to make more money?

Also, there is no way you will get to be a captain in six years at CO now, lol.

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