crox1
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LCC's Good Or Bad?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:35 am

Hi

I guess this subject has been discussed again and again on A-Net before; although here we go again.

Do you think that LCC's are killing the full fare market and driving Pax away from the large airlines.

If so, who is better off?, the LCC punter that pays a low fare and gets minimal service or the man that pays a reduced fare(brought about by the LCC's); that gets full service.

Given a choice of a flight from an origin to a given city, if a LCC and a full fare airline operated the same route, which would you choose, or; as in my case, would it depend on the length of the flight?. In my experience, if you have a short hop to make (<2hrs), then there is little difference between the two;(besides the drinks service), any longer then it has to be the full service airlines all the way.

This is only my point of view, whats Yours?.

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RE: LCC's Good Or Bad?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:51 pm

Out here the LCC Market is booming.In a Country where The no of Pax/yr by Air is Equal to the no of Pax/day by rail. The LCCs are a boon.
Only Infrastructure has to be Improved.
But there are too many LCCs on the line,with huge fleet,so chances are a few will survive.
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RE: LCC's Good Or Bad?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:02 pm

Are LCC killing the market and driving pax away from the large airlines? Well Yes, but more like the pax are leaving the large airlines and opting for the LCC's. You would be hard pressed to find someone completely anti LCC.

I usualy try to fly the low costs in America, because im a poor college student  Smile But it all depends, it's nice to have the choice. The bigger carriers have the advantage of ff miles etc, which i dont need as yet. And besides the level of service between the two models on a short flight arnt that far apart. It's not like Delta or anyone gives you a meal, they just give you a seat and a Pepsi which is what i want. So i usualy prefer to pay $100 less and fly them. What do the 'full service' people offer now?

When i fly in India however i love to fly on 9W, because i get that extra service. But every once in a while i like flying DN or whatever coz i love planes and airlines and im an anetter  Smile and when im home i dont pay for flights, my parents do !!!! (yup, same old reason)

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RE: LCC's Good Or Bad?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:25 pm

Whose LCC's? Oh, you mean LCCs.

Anyway, for short flights it's whoever has the best schedule and the best price. I can go for an hour or two without a tea or snack. But when it means BA have to cut nearly 70% off their fare to remain competitive (but still profitable) then that is most definitely GOOD!

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RE: LCC's Good Or Bad?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:14 am

Quoting Crox1 (Thread starter):
Do you think that LCC's are killing the full fare market and driving Pax away from the large airlines.

Absolutely - and I see it with great concern. If the traditional airlines are killed by LCCs, the customer suffers big time (and already does in some areas). Do you think LCCs will serve non-profitable remote locations? Certainly not - so customers there will have to travel for hours to get to an airport. My prediction is that the customer - especially in Europe - will be worse off in the long run.

Another great concern is the environmental impact. Yes, I love to fly, and I shouldn't throw stones, sitting in the glass house myself. But let's face it, is it really necessary that we can fly from FRA to CDG or LHR for a day of shopping? Many airports and airspaces are at their limits already, so why add more flights that are not necessary? Although there have been great improvements over the past decade or so, aviation is still the least environmentally sound way of travelling, no matter what some people want us to believe.

And by the way: Low cost means low cost to the airline, not necessarily to the customer. Over the past few years I was almost always better off flying main carriers, rather than LCCs (mostly in or from North America and in Europe, but also in New Zealand). If you can't book very long in advance, LCCs often are even more expensive than traditional airlines. The 99 pence fares of Ryanair, for example, are just a few seats per flight, and are gone very very quickly. BA and BM were often cheaper for me. Also, if you add the time and cost to get to and from the smaller airports out of the city it is questionable if it comes cheaper (getting to/from STN and LTN to the city is quite pricey - sometimes more than the airfare, whereas LHR is connected to the subway at reasonable fares).

One other thing: In Europe and in Australia/New Zealand, as well as in Canada and often in the US, LCCs are NOT of lower quality. Often they have new equipment and friendly staff. From that standpoint, I loved my experiences with Freedom Air, WestJet, and easyJet. Not so good were Ryanair and Jetsgo(ne)...

Just my  twocents 

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RE: LCC's Good Or Bad?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:49 am

Quoting Crox1 (Thread starter):
Do you think that LCC's are killing the full fare market and driving Pax away from the large airlines.

Not necessarily. As ZKEOJ said in this part of the world the service is often quite good. In many ways I prefer DJ service to QF's. Mind you, my employers make you fly DJ on business, even for the senior managers, unless you're flying where DJ has crappy schedules (like ASP, for instance), then they'd allow you to fly QF.

I guess I do like LCCs as they help bring down the cost of flying for most of us, and helps "keep the bastards honest". Although I don't like JQ, WN etc with no pre-assigned seating, and probably won't fly either.
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RE: LCC's Good Or Bad?

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:41 am

I think LCCs are great. They have enabled my family and I to travel around Europe (and Australia when we visited) on our limited budget. I could not afford to fly much on the large airlines before the advent of LCCs. I would much rather pay £50.00 for a flight and then £20.00on food and drink onboard than £200-£300 to a full fare airline. I do spend quite a lot of time researching flight costs, travel to and from airports etc to get the cheapest holiday we can. This probably enables us to fly more which is well worth the effort. If the major airlines have dropped their charges by 70% and still make a profit then they where charging to much to start with, and that will make me chose an LCC over them most of the time.
 
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RE: LCC's Good Or Bad?

Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:43 am

GOOD definitely !

Like Air Asia's slogan: "Now everyone can fly"  Smile
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RE: LCC's Good Or Bad?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:22 am

Quoting Crox1 (Thread starter):
Do you think that LCC's are killing the full fare market and driving Pax away from the large airlines.

Yes I do think that way. Internet technology have really helpd LCCs big time, in my opinion...
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