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LAX - What Would You Fix?

Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:09 pm

I was just reading through some old threads about LAX to see what has been discussed. I initially wanted to find out what has been said about Terminal 3, because I think it's an absolute disgrace, and that seems to be the general consensus. I know that AS shares it with other carriers, but when compared to their other hubs (SEA and ANC) there simply is no comparison.

This leads to my question. What would you fix at LAX?

Aside from changing everything about T-3, I think the ground transportation is an absolute nightmare. If it were possible I would consolidate all of the car rental locations and ban the individual rental car shuttles (similar to what SFO has done, replacing them with one bus). There also needs to be a better way of getting from one terminal to another. I would definitely put in a train system. I'd like to see a more streamlined layout, instead of the patchwork it is today. I'd move Tom Bradley to the front and give international departures/arrivals their own traffic loop, completely separate from domestic. I'd then re-arrange domestic with the airlines ticketing/check-in arranged alphabetically and position security checkpoints so that once inside one would have access to all of the domestic terminals. Perhaps a train system could connect a new concourse where the west remote stands are currently located. I know, I know, not in this lifetime, but it sure would be nice. Anyone else wish for a new and improved LAX?
 
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:24 pm

Quoting ASAFA (Thread starter):
What would you fix at LAX?

I'd privatize it and let demand drive the changes.
 
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:53 pm

Quoting ASAFA (Thread starter):
What would you fix at LAX?

Charging for luggage trolleys at kerbside.  Angry
 
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:31 pm

which terminal does BA fly out of? That is truly one of the worst terminals I've flown out of at any major airport.

I'd change that tomorrow....
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:51 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
which terminal does BA fly out of?

According to lawa.org this is TBI (Tom Bradley International).
Would be nice to see a flight from LHR T2 to LAX TBI - very good experiences of state of the art pax-treatment on both ends of this flight Big grin


But on the serious side, LAX has much more options to improve its overall situation than LHR ...
For LAX the word "fix" should be replaced be "renovation" - for LHR it should be "rebuild" (although I know, that this is almost impossible).
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:01 pm

To build an underground rail shuttle linking all terminals. Just an observation after coming off too many QF flights over the past few years and transfering between terminals 1/3/4/TBIT.
 
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:20 pm

I would NOT fix this LAX landmark -- leave it alone!


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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:36 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
I'd privatize it

Privatizing something inherently governmental only makes it more expensive for all involved and costs taxpayers more money. The City of Los Angeles does a much better job through LAWA at running its 4 airports (2 of which are among the busiest in the world for flight operations yet are quite close to the city) than BAA has EVER done with the disgrace that is its airport system

Quoting Zonky (Reply 2):

Charging for luggage trolleys at kerbside.

That is an american thing, sorry.
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:01 am

Tear down the old tower. Sorry, but it is a space waster.

Tear down T3. Build new international T3. Renovate TBI.

Connect T4 with TBI and new T3, old T2 inside security.

Connect T5 with T6/7/8 inside security. As simple as opening the freaking tunnel, i would imagine. Just post a security guard there and stop worrying about the minute risk of a bomber in that tunnel.

Build new Terminal in parking lot between sepulveda and T1. Move that parking to where old tower used to be. This should be the Southwest/Frontier terminal. Connect inside security with old T1.

Consolidate old T3 domestic carriers into renovated old T1 with AW/HP.

Among other things.
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:08 am

Tear down or renovate Terminal 6. I've said that before on other threads
here. United brings international passengers into this building to
clear customs and this is what they see. It's absolutely filthy and
outdated. The old Skywest gate areas in 6 that aren't being used
look really shabby too. Looks like gate and ticket areas in
airports that have had airlines go out of business.
 
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:48 am

Build the plan "A" expansion as originally proposed!

http://www.airport-technology.com/projects/losangeles/losangeles3.html



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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:58 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Privatizing something inherently governmental only makes it more expensive for all involved and costs taxpayers more money. The City of Los Angeles does a much better job through LAWA at running its 4 airports (2 of which are among the busiest in the world for flight operations yet are quite close to the city) than BAA has EVER done with the disgrace that is its airport system

The problem with BAA is that one company owns all the London airports hence there is no competition. When privatizing airports a rule is necessary that no company (or associated company) can own more than one airport with a given radius (say, 100 km).
 
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:19 am

Quoting ASAFA (Thread starter):
Aside from changing everything about T-3,

Terminal-3 remains pretty much status quo from the day TWA relinquished its long term lease on the facility
Besides some smaller upgrades like Alaska deepening the checkin lobby, none of the tenant carriers have stepped forward to propose nor fund major terminal upgrades. If Alaska being the largest tenant wanted to see and finance a major facelift, I am sure LAWA would have no objections.

Quoting ASAFA (Thread starter):
I would consolidate all of the car rental locations and ban the individual rental car shuttles

Its in the works already. This is one of the approved green lighted projects under the airports redevelopment plans.
While reducing central terminal area congestion, car rental firms have all opposed the establishment of a consolidated off airport facility and prefer to maintain their own lots and run their own buses. From a consumers point of view expect higher rental cost at LAX as all these companies must fund new infrastructure at LAX in the coming years.
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 10):
Build the plan "A" expansion as originally proposed!

http://www.airport-technology.com/projects/losangeles/losangeles3.html

Thanks for the link Lightsaber, that's almost exactly what I envisioned, although I didn't consider the possibility of drive-up access to a west terminal. That would be the ideal way to separate domestic/international traffic. The chaos at T-1 frequently causes a huge traffic jam and I think simply relocating WN so that 100% of the airport traffic doesn't have to pass by their curbside would be the solution. The plan also seems like it would have only a slight impact on existing operations since construction would take place at the opposite end of the field.
 
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:29 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 11):
The problem with BAA is that one company owns all the London airports hence there is no competition. When privatizing airports a rule is necessary that no company (or associated company) can own more than one airport with a given radius (say, 100 km).

Then you have the issue of the waste with the UK Train Companies

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Tear down the old tower. Sorry, but it is a space waster.

It is a historically protected landmark, the back up tower in case of an attack or threat on the new one (as seen on 9/11-9/14 2001) and an office building for LAWA

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Build new Terminal in parking lot between sepulveda and T1.

That would be impossible for so many reasons

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
This should be the Southwest/Frontier terminal.

What does F9s operation have to do with terminal construction?

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Among other things.

Yeah, the worst, most unworkable plan I have ever seen. I know you consider yourself an expert on Los Angeles after 5 years, but take it from a native, it would not work.
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:33 am

I'd build a new LAX out in the desert, with 6 runways and room for more if they're needed. It would have to be a long ways away from the city, so I'd put in high-speed rail service to the city center and all the suburbs. I'd build everything else from scratch, except for the restaurant - which I'd dissasemble and move from the present-day LAX. I'd set aside areas for hotels, restaurants, and parking (of course).

I know it'll never happen. But what an airport it could be.

I don't like LAX, in case you haven't figured it out.
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:36 am

Quoting Contrails (Reply 15):
I'd build a new LAX out in the desert, with 6 runways and room for more if they're needed. It would have to be a long ways away from the city, so I'd put in high-speed rail service to the city center and all the suburbs. I'd build everything else from scratch, except for the restaurant - which I'd dissasemble and move from the present-day LAX. I'd set aside areas for hotels, restaurants, and parking (of course).

None of which is possible for so many different reasons

Quoting Contrails (Reply 15):
But what an airport it could be.

Yeah, one with all the problems of LAS/PHX/DEN/DXB. VERY HOT and high up. You would have to lay down 18,000 foot runways to maintain what LAX does now.
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:46 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
Yeah, one with all the problems of LAS/PHX/DEN/DXB. VERY HOT and high up. You would have to lay down 18,000 foot runways to maintain what LAX does now.

Hot yes, high up no. The desert in California is very close to sea level, some parts are below sea level.
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:55 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 17):
Hot yes, high up no. The desert in California is very close to sea level, some parts are below sea level.

Dude, as a California native, I am well aware of the desert geography. We have the High Desert and the Low Desert. The Low Desert is the Palm Springs/Death Valley area that is lower while the High Desert is the Palmdale/Lancaster/Edwards/Victorville/State Line area that is quite high up like LAS.
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:47 am

Talking of an airport in the desert: Why not close down Edwards AFB and build a large civil airport on its site - there´s enough space out there.
Problems would be:
- find an alternative location for military testflights (maybe move to Nevada´s Groom Lake etc.)
- provide an alternative landing facility for Space Shuttle
- almost nobody would like to go out to such a remote spot for flying ...
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:00 am

Quoting HT (Reply 19):
Talking of an airport in the desert: Why not close down Edwards AFB and build a large civil airport on its site - there´s enough space out there.

For over 30 years now there has been the idea of building a huge airport in Palmdale.

The idea has really never managed to get off the ground as the airport would be very far for the majority of folks in the Los Angeles basin. Even with proposed rail connections transit times would be quite long. As a reference Pamdale is about 60miles from downtown LA.

What would likely be a better option (maybe not politically popular) is to develope a comprehensive regional airport/transportation plan. Southern California does not have a shortage of airports. Many smaller facilities like Burbank, Orange County, Long Beach have the capacity to handle more flights however are all constricted oneway or the other. The ability to free these facilities from their political restrictions would allow more flights to operate and thus in theory freeing people from making the treck to LAX. I know many in both the Valley and Orange County that would happily use their local airport more if there were more flight options.
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:14 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
What would likely be a better option (maybe not politically popular) is to develope a comprehensive regional airport/transportation plan

Build a maglev train from LAX to ONT for flight connections and sell it as one airport to airlines & customers. This was indended for DUS and CGN in Germany ...
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RE: LAX - What Would You Fix?

Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:17 am

All of the El Segundo dunes and the land north of the airport along Westchester Parkway would become mine. I would build my house out there, and the rest of the land I would leave alone.
All noise restrictions would be removed, even the loudest smokiest turbojet aircraft could come and go.
I would sweep clean that crap called Playa Vista, rebuild Hughes Airport the way it was and leave it.
I would procure the islands offshore and they would become designated NIMBY colonies for all the whiners.
Bring back the good old days.

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