tockeyhockey
Posts: 880
Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:57 pm

737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:44 am

I put this thread together as a place where people can discuss the safety issues that have come to light concerning the 737-200.

My limited research finds that out of 1114 frames built, 96 have been written off as hull losses (8.6%) and 167 have been involved in some other level of incident.

The question arrises -- is the 737-200 too much of a risk to continue flying?

Would you fly on one given the option?

Is the 737-200 the least safe aircraft in the skies in large numbers today? Is it the least safe aircraft of all time?
 
Bluewave 707
Posts: 2793
Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2001 8:21 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:51 am

I have felt quite safe riding on AQ's 732s. Some of the early 732s have been retired. The 732s in AQ's fleet were built in the 80s, and most are Advanced models.

It depends on the airline and the country where it flies. The same would apply to airlines still flying 742s, DC-9s, DC-10s and L-1011s.
"The best use of your life will be to so live your life, that the use of your life will outlive your life" -- D Severn
 
User avatar
garpd
Posts: 2308
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:29 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:55 am

Quite a ridiculous thread.

I'd fly a 732, in a heartbeat
arpdesign.wordpress.com
 
PITA333
Posts: 330
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:59 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:57 am

I love flying them! I fly Aloah's 732s and cout my blessing, because one day theyll be gone!
 
airtran737
Posts: 3218
Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:47 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:59 am

Heck yes I would. The last time I was on one was in June from MKE to ATL on Delta. I was put in first class and it was an awesome ride. I wouldn't hesitate to climb on one again.

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Thread starter):
My limited research finds that out of 1114 frames built, 96 have been written off as hull losses (8.6%) and 167 have been involved in some other level of incident.

Now figure out how many of those incidents have occurred in a third world country where aviation maintenance standards are very low and poorly regulated.
Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
 
Matt27
Posts: 2070
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:53 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:59 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 3):
I'd fly a 732, in a heartbeat

Yeah!!!
Man ska inte dricka rödvin i en vit hall.
 
Maersk737
Posts: 654
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:37 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:00 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 3):
Quite a ridiculous thread

Why do you find the thread ridiculous?

Cheers

Peter
I'm not proud to be a Viking, just thankfull
 
sspontak
Posts: 484
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:42 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:00 am

I hope to fly on one of Delta's 732 before they are retired. It is one of the last true classic models still flying. I enjoyed flying them when used for DL Express. The most recent mainline config is actually a pretty good seat pitch. Besides that, the roar of those P&W engines upon landing cannot be matched even on NWA's DC niners.
Go Delta!
 
HBIHLtoEZE
Posts: 247
Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:50 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:03 am

I love the 737-200s, and I certainly would fly on well-maintained pigs like those of Lan Chile, Aerolineas Argentinas or Aloha Air (btw all of AQs 732 are advanced models, some of them are among the last built 737-200 at all).

However, I once flew Aerocontinente's OB-1544 (the aircraft became a write off 1 1/2 years after my flight in a landing accident at LIM) and it was one of the very few incidents in which I felt uneasy or even slightly scared on board; (another being on a AVENSA DC-9). It is not a model of an aircraft that is unsafe or unsafer than others, neither is it an aircraft's age, it is simply relevant how well and if the planes are maintained and taken care for.

Even new aircraft that are neglected are dangerous.

I would probably refuse to fly any Indonesian 737-200s (as probably any other aircraft, too, maybe Garuda, but their safety record is horrible, too) as I do not trust them very much.

Indonesia and Peru must be among the most unsafe countries to fly; the last time I was in Peru I opted for the seemingly safest option, Lan, and was very pleased by it.

Nothing beats the sound of a starting 737-200 (or 100, something I have failed to witness unfortunately)

Cheers
Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life.
 
tockeyhockey
Posts: 880
Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:57 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:03 am

ok, so it looks like airnetters are a brave lot. everyone seems to be willing to fly on one.

then let's get to part two of my question: is the 732 the least safe aircraft in the skies today in large numbers?
 
MEA-707
Posts: 3662
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 1999 4:51 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:04 am

You'd be very safe on a Delta, Ryanair, Alaska Airlines, South African, Air One, WestJet, Aerolineas Argentinas or LAN 737-200.
The safety depends much more on the airline... try to avoid airlines like Kam Air in Afghanistan, Sudan Airways or TANS.
It sounds paradoxal, but the reason the 737-200 has many crashes is because it's so good. That means it's a popular aircraft for small airlines in a poor or difficult environment.
The 727 had a better safety record, but that's because it was never really popular with smaller airlines in Africa, Asia or Latin America due to it being a bit too big (for short haul flights) and expensive to operate (three crew, three engines).
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
 
pbiflyer
Posts: 145
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:39 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:09 am

I have not been on a 737-200 in many years, however, I am scheduled to fly a DL 732 on Oct 1st from STL to ATL on my way back to PBI. I am really looking forward to flying at least this one more time on a classic 732. If given the chance I will fly on a 732 with DL as long as they fly them.
PBI is South Florida's BEST airport!
 
NWADC9
Posts: 3938
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:33 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:09 am

Heck yeah, I'd fly on one! Heck, I'd fly on ANY aircraft, ANY airline, ANY time!
Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
 
Maersk737
Posts: 654
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:37 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:14 am

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 14):
Heck yeah, I'd fly on one! Heck, I'd fly on ANY aircraft, ANY airline, ANY time!

Yes.....With Your username, I would too  Wink

Cheers

Peter
I'm not proud to be a Viking, just thankfull
 
PMN
Posts: 547
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:44 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:17 am

The only '200's I've ever flown are Ryanair's, and although they may be in pretty poor shape, I always enjoy flying on them. As PITA333 pointed out, they won't be here much longer so I intend to make the most of them!

Paul
Edith in his bed, a plane in the rain is humming, the wires in the walls are humming some song - some mysterious song
 
A3204eva
Posts: 1041
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:25 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:17 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 12):
You'd be very safe on a Delta, Ryanair, Alaska Airlines, South African, Air One, WestJet, Aerolineas Argentinas or LAN 737-200.

Take RYR off the list Big grin I've seen many of them, and trust me, U wouldn't want to!

I wouldn't fly a 732 if it were with RYR or in a third world country. As said, most are being retired (incl RYR who don't have many anymore).

Scott
"They have lady pilots......... they're not that good, but they have 'em"
 
OPNLguy
Posts: 11191
Joined: Tue Jun 15, 1999 11:29 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:18 am

I posted these in another thread, and they're quite relevant here...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ral_aviation/read.main/2310641/#90

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...al_aviation/read.main/2310641/#104

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...al_aviation/read.main/2310641/#110

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...al_aviation/read.main/2310641/#112

In short, you can't just look at the 737-200 itself, you also have to factor in how/where it's operated... I have no qualms about the aircraft at all...
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
luisca
Posts: 1530
Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2001 11:37 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:22 am

Quoting Maersk737 (Reply 8):
Quoting GARPD (Reply 3):
Quite a ridiculous thread

Why do you find the thread ridiculous?

Cheers

Peter

because the 732 has been in service for over thirty years and has an excellent safety record. The recent incidents as stated above are in third world countries with questionable safety and maintenance. As the age increases, the adquisition price of this airplane goes down, making it more accessible to cheap airlines with poor maintenance, and because they are older they require more maintenance, making them more prone to problems if not maintained correctly. The reason that this post is ridiculous is because this plane makes thousands of cicles a day and does so safely and efficiently, and if people cant appreciate that then it is ridiculous, if they started falling out of the sky and were well maintained then that would be scary. But most of the time it is human error (TANS) or bad maintenance (Indonesia)
If it ain't Boeing (or Embraer ;-)) I ain't Going!
 
tockeyhockey
Posts: 880
Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:57 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:24 am

Quoting HBIHLtoEZE (Reply 10):
It is not a model of an aircraft that is unsafe or unsafer than others, neither is it an aircraft's age, it is simply relevant how well and if the planes are maintained and taken care for.

i'm not sure i buy this argument, one that everyone here seems to be making, i.e. it's all about the maintenence. if that were the case, why are there a disproportional amount of hull losses with the 732? bad maintenence is bad maintenence, and it must affect all older airline types equally. right?


so is there something in particular about the plane that has led to so much "bad maintenence"?
 
D5DBY
Posts: 120
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:38 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:26 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 12):
The safety depends much more on the airline... try to avoid airlines like Kam Air in Afghanistan, Sudan Airways or TANS.
It sounds paradoxal, but the reason the 737-200 has many crashes is because it's so good. That means it's a popular aircraft for small airlines in a poor or difficult environment.
The 727 had a better safety record, but that's because it was never really popular with smaller airlines in Africa, Asia or Latin America

if u give a B777 to Kam Air and a B737-200 to BA I would chose to fly with BA and their B737....lol
 
satx
Posts: 2771
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:26 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:27 am

To me, the 737-200 is an ugly plane. However, if the airline had a good record and the plane had a clean interior with decent seat pitch, I'd fly just about anything they put me in.

I want to fly the 340-500/600 next. 777's are too noisey in the Y cabin IMO and the 747 is starting to get a little retro to my tastes.
Open Season on Consumer Protections is Just Around the Corner...
 
1MillionFlyer
Posts: 1937
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:55 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 20):
so is there something in particular about the plane that has led to so much "bad maintenence"?

These accidents are happening because of underfunded airlines buying airframes that are not maintained properly, period.

Fed Ex, NW, AS, DL , UPS and Airborne Express/DHL fly thousands of old 737-300, 727-200, DC-8s, DC-10s, DC-9s, etc flights DAILY, yet they do not have issues.

Many of these planes are older than the 737-200 yet they are safe.



DO you really have to ask this question?
Golf Foxtrot you are cleared for departure
 
SA006
Posts: 1818
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:28 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:35 am

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 11):
is the 732 the least safe aircraft in the skies today in large numbers?

Its not the age of the aircraft my friend , its the company/airline maintaining the aircraft. For example , an A340-600 being flown and maintained by Chanchangi airlines of Nigeria I would never get on , but a 727 maintained by CE (nationwide airlines , South Africa) I would get on to since they have very good maintenance and are a very reliable and safe airline.

In short , depending on the airline , their pilot training and maintenance I would fly again on a 737-200 as I have done countless times.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 18):
In short, you can't just look at the 737-200 itself, you also have to factor in how/where it's operated... I have no qualms about the aircraft at all...

Ditto.

Long live the 737-200 with those JT's!

-SA006
Proudly South African
 
luisca
Posts: 1530
Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2001 11:37 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:35 am

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 20):
so is there something in particular about the plane that has led to so much "bad maintenence"?

Becouse a underfunded airline with little cash is more likely to be able to buy a 732 at rock bottom price, especially with fuel being so expensive, in the second hand (or in the 732's case fourth or fith hand) market the 732 is cheap cheap cheap. that is the reason it attracts more bad maintenance.
If it ain't Boeing (or Embraer ;-)) I ain't Going!
 
redflyer
Posts: 3881
Joined: Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:30 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:36 am

Perhaps the real issue is not so much how many frames were produced vs. how many were lost but, rather, how many hours (or cycles) in total those airframes have accumulated vs. how many have been lost.
My other home is a Piper Cherokee 180C
 
Lufthansa747
Posts: 2953
Joined: Tue May 18, 1999 7:45 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:37 am

This thread is totally ridiculous.

I'd fly a 732 or Mandala Airlines for that matter in a hearthbeat.
Air Asia Super Elite, Cebu Pacific Titanium
 
SA006
Posts: 1818
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:28 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 20):
i'm not sure i buy this argument, one that everyone here seems to be making, i.e. it's all about the maintenence. if that were the case, why are there a disproportional amount of hull losses with the 732? bad maintenence is bad maintenence, and it must affect all older airline types equally. right?

No because most "3rd world" (cant find any other way to say it) airlines utilize older aircraft since they can't afford new A319's , A330's etc etc.
Proudly South African
 
SA006
Posts: 1818
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:28 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:48 am

Ok let me rephrase:

I am trying to get the same idea as Luisca has

Quoting Luisca (Reply 25):
Becouse a underfunded airline with little cash is more likely to be able to buy a 732 at rock bottom price, especially with fuel being so expensive, in the second hand (or in the 732's case fourth or fith hand) market the 732 is cheap cheap cheap. that is the reason it attracts more bad maintenance.

And most "underfunded" airlines are found in Africa and South America , countries which are quite well known for their spurts of aviation incidents.
Proudly South African
 
CruzinAltitude
Posts: 408
Joined: Thu May 06, 2004 5:02 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:49 am

I think the bottom line is this, I would feel comfortable flying in any well maintained Boeing or Airbus on any tarmac out there.

I would not, however, feel comfortable flying in any poorly maintained Boeing or Airbus out there.

The quality of these vehicles are such that if they are taken care of, they have proven themselves to be VERY reliable. But anything that complex is bound to have problems. If the quality of maintenace is poor, the problems compound.
 
OPNLguy
Posts: 11191
Joined: Tue Jun 15, 1999 11:29 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:53 am

I went back to the data from www.aviation-safety.net (GREAT site..) and pulled the following data on 737-200 hull losses from accidents. Hull losses from 737-100s (1, in 1993) are not considered, nor are 737-200 hull losses that occurred from hijacking or criminal activity.

In chronological order:

19-JUL-1970 Boeing 737-200 N9005U United Air Lines 0 USA A1
08-DEC-1972 Boeing 737-200 N9031U United Air Lines 43 USA A1
31-MAY-1973 Boeing 737-200 VT-EAM Indian Airlines 48 India A1
31-MAR-1975 Boeing 737-200 N4527W Western Air Lines 0 USA A1
11-FEB-1978 Boeing 737-200 C-FPWC Pacific Western 42 Canada A1
02-APR-1978 Boeing 737-200 PP-SMX VASP 0 Brazil A1
04-APR-1978 Boeing 737-200 OO-SDH Sabena 0 Belgium A1
17-DEC-1978 Boeing 737-200 VT-EAL Indian Airlines 1 India A1
04-NOV-1980 Boeing 737-200 D2-TAA TAAG 0 Angola A1
17-FEB-1981 Boeing 737-200 N468AC Air California 0 USA A1
22-AUG-1981 Boeing 737-200 B-2603 FEAT 110 Taiwan A1
13-JAN-1982 Boeing 737-200 N62AF Air Florida 74 USA A1
25-MAY-1982 Boeing 737-200 PP-SMY VASP 2 Brazil A1
26-AUG-1982 Boeing 737-200 JA8444 Southwest Air Lines 0 Japan A1
22-FEB-1983 Boeing 737-200 PP-SNC VASP 2 Brazil A1
27-MAR-1983 Boeing 737-200 C9-BAB LAM 0 Mozambique A1
11-JUL-1983 Boeing 737-200 HC-BIG TAME Ecuador 119 Ecuador A1
22-MAR-1984 Boeing 737-200 C-GQPW Pacific Western 0 Canada A1
30-AUG-1984 Boeing 737-200 TJ-CBD Cameroon Airlines 2 Cameroon A1

15-APR-1985 Boeing 737-200 HS-TBB Thai Airways 11 Thailand A1
22-AUG-1985 Boeing 737-200 G-BGJL British Airtours 55 U.K. A1
28-JAN-1986 Boeing 737-200 PP-SME VASP 1 Brazil A1
16-FEB-1986 Boeing 737-200 B-1870 China Airlines 13 Taiwan A1
15-OCT-1986 Boeing 737-200 EP-IRG Iran Air 3 Iran A1
25-OCT-1986 Boeing 737-200 N752N Piedmont Airlines 0 USA A1
04-AUG-1987 Boeing 737-200 CC-CHJ LAN Chile 1 Chile A1
31-AUG-1987 Boeing 737-200 HS-TBC Thai Airways 83 Thailand A1
02-JAN-1988 Boeing 737-200 D-ABHD Condor Flugdienst 16 Turkey A1
28-APR-1988 Boeing 737-200 N73711 Aloha Airlines 1 USA A1
15-SEP-1988 Boeing 737-200 ET-AJA Ethiopian Airlines 35 Ethiopia A1
26-SEP-1988 Boeing 737-200 LV-LIU Aerolineas Argentinas 0 Argentina A1
15-OCT-1988 Boeing 737-200 5N-ANW Nigeria Airways 0 Nigeria A1
19-OCT-1988 Boeing 737-200 VT-EAH Indian Airlines 124 India A1
09-FEB-1989 Boeing 737-200 C9-BAD LAM 0 Mozambique A1
03-APR-1989 Boeing 737-200 OB-R-1314 Faucett 0 Peru A1
03-SEP-1989 Boeing 737-200 PP-VMK Varig 13 Brazil A1
02-OCT-1989 Boeing 737-200 5N-ANX Nigeria Airways 0 Nigeria A1
26-OCT-1989 Boeing 737-200 B-180 China Airlines 54 Taiwan A1
30-DEC-1989 Boeing 737-200 N198AW America West 0 USA A1
02-JUN-1990 Boeing 737-200 N670MA Markair 0 USA A1
22-JUL-1990 Boeing 737-200 N210US USAir 0 USA A1
02-OCT-1990 Boeing 737-200 B-2510 Xiamen Airlines 82 China H1
03-MAR-1991 Boeing 737-200 N999UA United 25 USA A1
16-AUG-1991 Boeing 737-200 VT-EFL Indian Airlines 69 India A1
17-NOV-1991 Boeing 737-200 EI-CBL SAHSA 0 Costa Rica A1
06-JUN-1992 Boeing 737-200 HP-1205CMP COPA Panama 47 Panama A1
22-JUN-1992 Boeing 737-200 PP-SND VASP 3 Brazil A1
20-NOV-1992 Boeing 737-200 LV-JNE Aerolineas Argentinas 0 Argentina A1
26-APR-1993 Boeing 737-200 VT-ECQ Indian Airlines 55 India A1
18-JUL-1993 Boeing 737-200 N401SH SAHSA 0 Nicaragua A1
08-MAR-1994 Boeing 737-200 VT-SIA Sahara India 4 India A1
26-NOV-1994 Boeing 737-200 N11244 Continental Air Lines 0 USA A1
21-DEC-1994 Boeing 737-200 7T-VEE Phoenix Aviation 5 U.K. A1
02-JAN-1995 Boeing 737-200 9Q-CNI Air Zaire 0 D.R. Congo A1
16-JAN-1995 Boeing 737-200 PK-JHF Sempati Air 0 Indonesia A1
02-FEB-1995 Boeing 737-200 PP-SMV VASP 0 Brazil A1
10-AUG-1995 Boeing 737-200 N125GU Aviateca 65 El Salvador A1
13-NOV-1995 Boeing 737-200 5N-AUA Nigeria Airways 9 Nigeria A1
02-DEC-1995 Boeing 737-200 VT-ECS Indian Airlines 0 India A1
03-DEC-1995 Boeing 737-200 TJ-CBE Cameroon Airlines 71 Cameroon A1
29-FEB-1996 Boeing 737-200 OB-1451 Faucett 123 Peru A1
03-APR-1996 Boeing 737-200 73-1149 USAF 35 Croatia A1
02-AUG-1996 Boeing 737-200 7T-VED Air Alg�rie 0 Algeria A1
14-FEB-1997 Boeing 737-200 PP-CJO Varig 1 Brazil A1
03-AUG-1997 Boeing 737-200 TU-TAV Air Afrique 0 Cameroon A1
07-SEP-1997 Boeing 737-200 HZ-AGM Saudi Arabian 0 Saudi Arabia A1
02-FEB-1998 Boeing 737-200 N737RD IAL Aircraft Holding 0 USA O1
22-FEB-1998 Boeing 737-200 ST (Japan)">YU-ANU Chanchangi Airlines 0 Nigeria A1
12-APR-1998 Boeing 737-200 P4-NEN Orient Eagle Airways 0 Kazakhstan A1
05-MAY-1998 Boeing 737-200 FAP-351 Occidental Petroleum 74 Peru A1
16-JUL-1998 Boeing 737-200 ST-AFL Sudan Airways 0 Sudan A1
01-NOV-1998 Boeing 737-200 EI-CJW AirTran Airways 0 USA A1

01-JAN-1999 Boeing 737-200 9Q-CNK Lignes Aeriennes Congolaises 0 Tanzania A1
04-MAR-1999 Boeing 737-200 F-GBYA Air France 0 France A1
10-MAY-1999 Boeing 737-200 B-12001 Mexican AF 0 Mexico A1
31-AUG-1999 Boeing 737-200 LV-WRZ LAPA 63 Argentina A1
19-APR-2000 Boeing 737-200 RP-C3010 Air Philippines 131 Philippines A1
17-JUL-2000 Boeing 737-200 VT-EGD Alliance Air 55 India A1
04-APR-2001 Boeing 737-200 C-GDCC Royal Airlines 0 Canada A1
22-MAY-2001 Boeing 737-200 C-GNWI First Air 0 Canada A1
16-SEP-2001 Boeing 737-200 PP-CJN Varig 0 Brazil A1
14-JAN-2002 Boeing 737-200 PK-LID Lion Airlines 0 Indonesia A1
26-JAN-2003 Boeing 737-200 PP-SPJ VASP 0 Brazil A1
06-MAR-2003 Boeing 737-200 7T-VEZ Air Alg�rie 102 Algeria A1
08-JUL-2003 Boeing 737-200 ST-AFK Sudan Airways 116 Sudan A1
13-DEC-2003 Boeing 737-200 OB-1544-P Aero Continente 0 Peru A1
11-AUG-2004 Boeing 737-200 3X-GCM Air Guinee Express 0 Sierra Leone A1
03-FEB-2005 Boeing 737-200 EX-037 Kam Air 104 Afghanistan A1
23-AUG-2005 Boeing 737-200 OB-1809-P TANS 40 Peru A1
05-SEP-2005 Boeing 737-200 PK-RIM Mandala Airlines 102 Indonesia A1


91 total hull 737-200 losses due to accidents. (Again, does not include any 737-100 hull losses, or 737-200 hull losses due to terrorism or criminal acts)

19 total hull losses between 1970-1984. Last -200 delivered in 1984 (for SWA), Classic deliveries began in 1985.
7 of 19 1970-1984 hull losses by operators in North America
12 of 19 1970-1984 hull losses by operators outside North America

47 total hull losses between 1985-1997 during the production run of the Classic family
8 total hull losses between 1985-1997 during the production run of the Classic family, by operators in North America
39 total hull losses between 1985-1997 during the production run of the Classic family by operators outside North America

24 total hull losses between 1998-present during the production run of the NG family
2 total hull losses between 1998-present during the production run of the NG family, by operators in North America
22 total hull losses between 1998-present during the production run of the NG family by operators outside North America

Now, as far as accident RECORDS are concerned, it's easy to see that the 737-200 had a 19 hull loss head start (over the 737 Classics) in being able to accumulate them before the Classics were even being built. Add in the 47 737-200 hull losses during the production run of the 737 Classics, and the 737-200s had a 66 hull loss head start over the 737 NG variants before they started production.

Also note the difference in hull loss rates for North American airlines and those outside North America. The highest percentage for North American airlines was in the period from 1970-1984, when the 737-200 was in the mainstay in many North American airline fleets. Note that as the 737-200 increasingly moved out of North American airline fleets in the 1985-1997 and 1998-present periods, and that hull losses went up for airlines outside North America.

Another factor here is the operating environment that some (not all) airlines outside North America find themselves in, i.e. the suitability of airports, navaids, and ATC compared to other countries. Proficiency of pilots and other critical front-line airline and ATC personnel may also be factors. Ditto for management of these entities.

None of this is presented to protect Boeing/slam Airbus, but instead hopely clearly demonstrates the complexity of interpreting raw numbers in the proper context.

[Edited 2005-09-06 22:22:24]
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
User avatar
aloha73g
Posts: 1845
Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2003 6:30 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:56 am

I feel very safe flying on 732s operated by Aloha and look forward to every flight. The sounds on takeoff and the clamshells on landing are essential.

It is not the airacraft that is unsafe....it is the operator. I would not fly on any aircraft operated by certain airlines....even if it was brand new. There have been so many crashes of 732s lately probably because they are trickling down to the more unsafe operators.

DL, AQ, AS, FR, HP, WN, etc. all have/had *near* perfect records with their 732s.

-Aloha!
Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
 
PHLBOS
Posts: 6504
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:38 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Thread starter):
Would you fly on one given the option?

Already did about 2 years ago on a DL CVG-PHL flight. No complaints.

Where I was sitting, I got a chance to see the clamshell reverse thrusters in action upon landing.

We still get them over at PHL.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Paul Kanagie
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Joseph J. Wagner

"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
 
MADtoCAE
Posts: 1094
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:32 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:04 am

Ive flown on them all my life, ATL-CAE, would fly one any day.
Operator!!! Give me the number for 911!!
 
PHLBOS
Posts: 6504
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:38 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 31):
19 total hull losses between 1970-1984. Last -200 delivered in 2004,

Are you saying that 732 production continued until 2004?  confused 
I don't think so.
"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
 
LipeGIG
Posts: 5048
Joined: Tue May 03, 2005 7:33 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:07 am

I agree that with the right maintenance any 732 is a safe aircraft. My last 732 flight was in one VP very old plane three years ago (and up to last year previous to ground planes due to its crisis, VP keep the oldest 732 in service without any incident) and no one feels unsafe. Also, they have been produced in a time where there is no such improvements like today, where the pilot can keep the control with contingency devices, but are reliable.

Anyone read that one of the those 732 has just made a C or D check ?

Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
 
OPNLguy
Posts: 11191
Joined: Tue Jun 15, 1999 11:29 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 35):
Are you saying that 732 production continued until 2004?
I don't think so.

It continued untill 1988, I know, but my default frame of reference was when SWA stopped taking deliveries and started taking 737-300s. Sorry I wasn't more clear about that...
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
bmibaby737
Posts: 1455
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:07 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:13 am

I have flown 2 737-200 flights and would fly one tommorow If i could!


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Jorge Abreu - Madeira Spotters




Jimmi
 
AJO
Posts: 485
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:55 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:19 am

I've flown the 732 twice so far, and wouldn't hesitate to fly one again...

In fact, both my 732 flights were made to include a 732 in my "log book"

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Aaron Lupton - WorldAirlineImages
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Paulo Carvalho

bla
 
halls120
Posts: 8724
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:24 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:24 am

As long as it was on a carrier I trusted, sure.
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain, a Biography
 
Leskova
Posts: 5547
Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2003 3:39 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:44 am

In 20 flights, the B737-200 has always brought me to my destination safely, even if rather loudly...

Flown by an airline I trust, I'd fly it again.

Give me the choice of a more modern B737 or of an A320 series with the same airline, and you would definately not see me flying on the B737-200...

Regards,
Frank
Smile - it confuses people!
 
User avatar
garpd
Posts: 2308
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:29 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:03 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 41):
In 20 flights, the B737-200 has always brought me to my destination safely, even if rather loudly...

Flown by an airline I trust, I'd fly it again.

Give me the choice of a more modern B737 or of an A320 series with the same airline, and you would definately not see me flying on the B737-200...

Regards,
Frank

But you have a bias for the A320 anyway... kinda makes it hard for the 732 to compete with you

I can't beleive you, as an aviation fan, would prefer comfort and hi techism instead of the raw experience of flight you get with a 732 and to a lesser extent a 737classic

Not a jibe at your or such.... just bewilderment.

[Edited 2005-09-06 23:04:00]
arpdesign.wordpress.com
 
HBIHLtoEZE
Posts: 247
Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:50 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:03 am

...actually if I have the choice to fly one I do - when I was in Hawai'i I had to decide between the brandnew 717 with Hawaiin (a plane I haven't boarded yet) and the 737-200s of AQ - I went for the 737-200. It could have been the last flight on one of these lovely beasts, try to fly on them while you can.

Cheers
Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life.
 
User avatar
Braybuddy
Posts: 5852
Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:14 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:18 am

Been on them eight times in the last eighteen months (Ryanair and LAN express) and the only thing I could fault them on was the rattle and hum. It wouldn't bother me flying on them, but there's a big difference in the quality of the flight between them and the -800 or A320.
 
User avatar
garpd
Posts: 2308
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:29 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 44):
but there's a big difference in the quality of the flight between them and the -800 or A320.

Well duh  dopey 

 Wink
arpdesign.wordpress.com
 
MD88Captain
Posts: 1224
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 9:50 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:45 am

This is a very, very silly topic.
 
User avatar
Braybuddy
Posts: 5852
Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:14 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:09 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 45):
Well duh

Duh yourself, mate! I was only pointing out that the quality of the flight would put me off flying in one.
 
birdbrainz
Posts: 423
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 6:57 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:12 am

Quoting MD88Captain (Reply 46):
This is a very, very silly topic.

Indeed. My father flew them for UA for > 10 years. He loved the plane.

I love the little bird too, especially the thrust reversers, and the lovely "bark" of the engines when you hear one leave.
A good landing is one you can walk away from. A great landing is if the aircraft can be flown again.
 
flyboy36y
Posts: 2897
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2000 1:45 pm

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:10 am

I'll be honest, I was a bit sad not to have flewn one when I thought I would. I was flying AR and it was supposed to be 732 both ways, but the way there was substituted for a 735 (I think). I any event Ive flewn the 732 many times (mainly in South America). I prfer them to the A320s that seem to be replacing the across the continent because the windows are higher up and bigger too. ,
 
EZEIZA
Posts: 4421
Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:09 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:59 am

Quoting Flyboy36y (Reply 47):
I was flying AR and it was supposed to be 732 both ways, but the way there was substituted for a 735 (I think)

If it was a 737 it must have been a -500 series. AR has begun replacing the 732's only with the above mentioned  Smile

I agree with many here, that it's not wether the 732 is safe or unsafe, it's more of who operates them and their maintenence standards. AR has had 732's for ages, and are still the biggest short-haul aircrafts (together with some MD-80's and as stated, the 735), and they have not had any major accident involving a 732 for AR (or AU) so it has a great safety record.

regards  Smile
Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
 
citationjet
Posts: 2251
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2003 2:26 am

RE: 737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:16 am

I few a DL 732 from ATL to MCI last June. I asked DL if I could take an earlier flight without a fare penalty just to fly the 732. Delta was kind enough to accomodate me for what may have been my last 732 ride.
Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,737,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Yflyer and 10 guests