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Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:40 am


* Do you think it is viable?

* What A/C would be ideal?

* What service?

* Would it ever work?

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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:42 am

SWE Fly tried and failed from Luton to Lahore via Stockholm Skavsta using a 767-200

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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:46 am

Zooooooooooooooooooooooooooom Big grin

Neutrality means that u don't really care cos the struggle goes on even when ur not there, blind and unaware
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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:47 am


LCC Business Class STN -> JFK

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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:47 am

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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:13 am

zoom are amazing!!!!!!!! cheap as chips, and service wthat rivals other rip off merchants on the same routes.
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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:26 am

Don't we already have plenty of it, only we usually call them charters?
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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:31 am

Air Lib Express also tried,ORY-FDF and ORY-PTP from 99� one way.
They failed too.
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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:47 am

LCC's changed the situation, but IMO long haul flights were always cheap.

A couple of years ago the transatlantic returntrips were already available for 400 - 500 Euro while short European flights costed double that price! Still prices for long haul are low. But remember: never fly your own flag carrier as they are more expensive to you. Choose an airline from the country of your destination...  twocents 
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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:57 am

Considering how expensive it is to run an airline and the cost of oil I personally think that Coach class fares on the regular airlines are quite low. I think it will be along time before we see a large low cost long haul airline.
I can get from Toronto to practically anywhere in the world for under $2000 CAD if booked in advance - I consider fares pretty reasonable. It is the taxes, surcharges, airport fees, security fees that I find ridiculous and the low cost airlines pay that just like the big boys. I find the YYZLON fares on AC and BA comparable to Zoom and the charters most of the time.

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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:05 am

Define cheap-
No frills, just a stinking meal- US Airways, IcelandAir
No frills, no legroom - charters

Introduce decent service and comfort at a CONSISTANT, COMPETITIVE price and have enough resources to tell the travelling world about your product you can do well. Without a hype machine, you are dead in the water.

The best bet is for an established LCC to join your cause and allow your little outfit to codeshare flights and FFP (where available), or for an established LCC to start their own international routes.

Take your A310, A300, 762, 763, or DC10 (if you are daring), whatever you think you can fill. There are a bunch of not-too-old A310's on the market as with the 762 but the 763 is still a very popular selection.

Fortunes are won and lost on bad business moves, and the LCC's have yet to capitalize on the long haul routes (ie intercontinental). Dont forget that ATA and a hadfull of others serve Hawaii from the mainland, and that would be long haul.
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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:07 am

Martinair Holland and LTU are not low-fare carriers, they do offer a premium product, but have been successfully flying trans-Atlantic at discounted fares for over a decade now, mainly to Florida. They can accomplish them with high-density configured planes and by being able to sell a lot of seats in advance to tour and holiday companies. The flights are scheduled services, however, so they still sell them on their own at very reasonable rates. Martinair Holland offers Miami-Amsterdam business class fares as low as $1199 r/t.

Both the networks of LTU and Martinair Holland are very limited, however. Martinair Holland flies only to Miami (daily) and Orlando (4w), while LTU only offers year-round service to Miami, Ft. Myers, and JFK, along with summer flights to LAX and Orlando.

Aer Lingus and Icelandair have also been successful in creating a "low fare" trans-Atlantic concept between the US and Europe.

Attempts at true low-fare trans-Atlantic service, like Laker Airways in the mid-1990s from Miami, Lauderdale, and Orlando to the UK, however, have been less successful.
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RE: Low Cost Long Haul Travel?

Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:57 pm

Of all the replies discussed earlier, including the topic started last year, one hasn't been mentioned, is that the proportion of fixed cost is much higher for long hauls than short hauls. If one LCC can cut the cost of short flight by $100 per passenger, say $100 compared to $200 from a full service airlines, the carrier may only be able to cut this much on long hauls, making the price $900 compared to $1000, so marginal that most people won't bother.

There's much more scruitiny on long haul flights (maintenance, immigration check, food [even if you offer BOB] - much more to carry, turnaround time) that even LCC can't cut corners. For most people the threshold of not eating/drinking anything at all is 6 hours, coincidentally JQ is considering PER-SIN, reaching close to the threshold.

Many of the major cities are already well served by current airlines with low prices when you consider miles per dollar (JFK-LHR, LAX-TPE, HKG-LHR), however there's market for low cost, basic frill services among cities pairs shunned and underserved by legacy carriers due to low yields (Corsair, Air Madrid - all in high density config). But not in areas well connected such as HKG, didn't someone trying to start a long haul LCC called Oasis ?? (too many alternative as you can simply fly through neighboring countires and connect to Europe or US for lower fares).

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