argento
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CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:10 am

I am planning a holiday trip with my wife a two children's (1 CHLD 1 INFOA) from Buenos Aires(EZE) to SFO ,next February .We will fly coach and I want to know your opinion about those airlines on International routes.I flew on DL,AA,UA but not CO, they will launch on 14 Dec the Houston-Buenos Aires route.
My experience on the others were a few years back and I can notice that nothing is like use to be.If the price were not an issue , which one you will choose?
Options are :
AA EZE-DFW-SFO(763-MD80)
AA EZE-MIA-SFO(777-763)
UA EZE-ORD-SFO (763-763)
DL EZE-ATL-SFO (763-757)
CO EZE-IAH-SFO(762-738)

Total time from departure to arriving at SFO are around 17 to 18 hs with connections.
 
767-332ER
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RE: CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:13 am

I would do DL due to ease of connection thru ATL. Also...I've flown DL extensively internationally and have had good service throughout all my flights. Plus I love the 763, as you can tell...
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Cory6188
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RE: CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:02 am

MIA and ATL are pretty out of the way for a connection to SFO - you're flying to the southeastern part of the US - much less direct than going through the middle of the country. So they're out. That leaves you with AA through DFW, CO through IAH, and UA through ORD.

As far as service goes, I've read positives and negatives about all three carriers, although there was a recent trip report about a less-than-subpar experience with AA on JFK-EZE. Even so, I would say that service is a non-issue. It really depends on the crew that you get.

If you want PTV's, CO's 762 would have them as well as UA's 763. AA's 763 does not. CO's 762 has one more inch of pitch than the UA or AA 763 (32 vs. 31), but it's really not that big of a deal either.

However, the tiebreaker comes with regards to connections - ORD in February is just too risky with the winter weather. Snow can wreak havoc on ORD operations and connections, and it's simply not an issue for DFW or IAH. If you were going during the summer, I wouldn't care, but for now, don't give yourself the undue stress.

As far as the DFW/IAH-SFO segment goes, the CO 738 would have IFE and would be newer than the AA MD-80, which has no IFE. Also, while food would probably be similar on the EZE-DFW/IAH flights, you would have to pay on AA and not on CO.

In this case, CO seems to be the winner, but compare the price difference between the two. If it's more than $50-75, go with AA, but a slightly higher price for CO might be worth it.
 
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RE: CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:30 am

I would fly CO via IAH!

The CO 762's are better than the other aircraft (except AA 772) and they have PTV's which the other 767's don't have!

Also I find the CO 738's very comfy on domestic flights  Smile

1 - CO via IAH
2 - AA via MIA

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RE: CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:45 am

I would choose UA, because the flight is actually a through flight, which means that not only will you get PTV's BOTH WAYS, but even if there is weather, which there usually isn't whenever I fly and I live in Chicago, the flight number goes all the way to SFO, so effectively, they won't leave without you if there is a delay. Basically, even if there was weather in ORD, there could be an mx issue with the other airliens, and then you're screwed, but because it's the same flight number all the way through, UA is more likely to do something for you and any other pax continuing on to SFO.
 
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RE: CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:19 pm

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 4):
which there usually isn't whenever I fly

Let's not kid ourselves - it's ORD in the winter. Even a cloud at ORD seems to send the airport into a traffic management scenario, and the fact that it's Feburary serves only to make matters worse. The same applies for my home airport, EWR. For as much as I like it, I would say that anyone planning a connection there in the winter who has another option in a warmer climate would be nuts.
 
argento
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RE: CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:25 am

Thank you for the info.
I will decide between CO via IAH and UA via ORD.
I do not have any idea that CO 762 & 738 have PTVs in coach.All sound that CO with this kind of service will be a good contender for the EZE west coast routes.
 
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RE: CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 4):
the flight number goes all the way to SFO, so effectively, they won't leave without you if there is a delay

UA is notorious for stubbing flights. They'll leave you if it means the onward connection will take too much of a delay.

They've had to break up their funnel flights a couple of times over consistant stubbing. A good example of this is the LAX-SFO-CDG run they did until recently.
 
Cory6188
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RE: CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:53 am

Quoting Argento (Reply 6):
CO 762 & 738 have PTVs

Actually, only the 762s have PTVs; the 738s have drop down LCD monitors every few rows.
 
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RE: CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:33 am

Realistically CO offers a better connection mileage-wise, but the times really suck. Go for UA. I didn't see your dates, but looks like flying on a monday you depart EZE at 8:40 Pm, arrive ORD at 5:10 AM for a 1Hr, 50 minute layover (sounds just right for customs and a light breakfast) then depart at 7 am for a 9:30 arrival. That's against CO's 10:50 departure with a 3 hour layover and an 11:24 arrival.

I have heard on these forums that the EZE flight is the only one in either ORD or IAD at the arrival time and therefore customs is understaffed and slow... Can anyone clear that up?

On another note, looks like the ORD-SFO leg is on a 752 and it does carry a different flight number, so I don't know what that business of the flight not leaving without you is. Regardless, if one flight is delayd getting in, you can bet flights are delayed gettting out too... BUT, you get in early! The traffic problems in ORD shouldn't even be a factor until the big sets of arrivals for AA & UA start showing up. Looks like it's time to fly!

Regards,
Jeff
 
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RE: CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:20 pm

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 2):
MIA and ATL are pretty out of the way for a connection to SFO - you're flying to the southeastern part of the US - much less direct than going through the middle of the country. So they're out.

Thats the stupidest reply I've ever heard. By taking a look at a map or globe, you will see that if you are going to SFO from EZE, you would have to pass right over MIA and ATL to get to ORD, so if MIA or ATL are too "out of the way", then, so is ORD, and you would have to settle for IAH or DFW, since your using the "closest distance between two points is a straight line" method.

However, depending on connection times, they are all about the same, roughly 2 hours, so if price is no difference, just choose the one that you feel would enjoy the most or want to fly the aircraft on.


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RE: CO, UA, AA Or DL?

Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:36 pm

AA 777 is the nicest aircraft I have ever flown on. I flown on AA from EZE-MIA great flight and great plane. Also I pretty sure that since you arrive in MIA in the mourning you will get the MIA-SFO flight which is on a 767-300. So you dont have to deal with any MD-80s or any narrowbodies. I flown the MIA-SFO 767 also. I would go for what cheapest if its all the same well go for the airline you never flown or maybe airport you want to visit. But out of those MIA-EZE-SFO with 777 and maybe 767 too on the SFO leg sounds like a good one to me.
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