CRJonBeez
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Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:31 am

did anybody here manage to get away with flying non-rev this holiday? i was set for SBN-CVG-MCO on the 27th on a DL buddy pass (S4) and made it no further than CVG. i spent all day skipping between A, B, and C before finally giving up. i spent 11 hours there and called it a night. the closest i got on the standby list was #12 or so. i spent the day wandering around with 4 other standby folks (S2s, 3s, and 4s). anybody know why they don't utilize larger aircraft on the route during the holidays? we were either waiting for an MD88 or a B732 with a few CR1s thrown in the mix. we were denied any route to MCO from any city, along with flying to TPA, JAX, ATL, etc. they told us there was no shot of getting in due to overbooking, etc. i tried everything i could, including eplaining to them that i'm an insulin dependant diabetic and that my supplies were in MCO. they slapped me on the wrist for not carrying everything in my carryon bag and told me they couldn't do anything for me. for the first time since i was born, i'm stuck in SBN while my family and friends are enjoying the florida weather!  cry 

i'm just wondering if anybody managed to pull it off to a high demand market, not to hear people say "you shouldn't have flown S4 during the holidays." i'm well aware of that fact, so i don't need anybody reminding me of it.
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting CRJonBeez (Thread starter):
anybody know why they don't utilize larger aircraft on the route during the holidays?

Gee, and where do you think they have these "larger" aircraft sitting around that aren't already being used on other important high density routes that aren't themselves packed during peak holiday travel?

P.S. Have you ever heard of capital letters? Your post would be much easier to read.
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:50 am

Quoting CRJonBeez (Thread starter):
anybody know why they don't utilize larger aircraft on the route during the holidays?

The use of whatever aircraft depends on several factors, one of them being overall demand. Next is availabilty of aircraft and possible last-minute changes due to technical issues. Network planning is a complex process.

Holiday season is a time where everybody (read: *revenue customers*) are out on the road, so it's a bad time to travel for non-revs, but I don't have to tell you this. Check flights a few days in advance and be flexible with dates. Also, don't non-rev when you have no priority whatsoever.

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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting CRJonBeez (Thread starter):
anybody know why they don't utilize larger aircraft on the route during the holidays?

It's very unlikely a larger craft is going to be available .. unless the SMALLER plane was sub-ed on the route the larger machine was to fly .... This IS done from time to time... While that may help you... For the Non-Revs (and sometimes paying passengers!) on the other route....  crowded   crying 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:55 am

The best time to non-rev during the holidays is Christmas morning. Otherwise you take your chances. If you absolutely need to get somewhere during the holidays, it's often better to pay for your ticket and save the passes for non-holiday travel.
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting CRJonBeez (Thread starter):
anybody know why they don't utilize larger aircraft on the route during the holidays?

This business is all about the money, maximizing profits. The airlines are not going to "upgrade" a flight to a bigger aircraft to accomodate non-revs. Understand the meaning of the word non-rev. Non-revenue, meaning the airlines are not making any money off your travel. They will not add a bigger aircraft to transport people they are not making money on, they will use that plane on a route where they will see "green".

There has been only 1 time I know of where an airline made special arrangements for non-revs. 5 or 6 years ago, there were maybe 100+ non-revs trying to get from LAX to GDL on AA. Those people were so determined to non-rev there that they showed up like clockwork for every GDL flight for a week. So AA decided to eliviate this problem by sending in an extra S80 to take them down. Thats the only time I know of.

When non-revving, you have to work the system to your favor. By that I mean AVOID THE HUBS! Learn which cities are the ones not to mess with, especially around the holidays. Make your connections through the smaller cities you wouldn't think to connect through. There were a few times where I wanted to go DFW-MIA on AA, the loads were next to impossible on the non-stops so I transferred through IAH a few times and MSY once.

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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:15 am

I was going to do a day trip on Tuesday to LAX from ORD since UA was running a 747-400 on the route. The LAX flights that day were so packed I didn't stand a chance. They left about 20 paying pax behind on that flight alone. I decided to wait around the airport and several hours later I hopped on to the 2:30 to Frankfurt. Y was overbooked by 32, but C was wide open. Everyone ended up making the flight, including myself in C. Had a two hour 'layover' in FRA and then took the next flight back to ORD. C was wide open on that one. I was really lucky because I wasn't trying to get anywhere specific. If I tried to make it out to LAX that day, I would have been waiting at ORD for days.
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:19 am

I flew BOS-ATW on Xmas eve. I knew the loads would be full most places, so I had to figure out some way to get back to ORD to catch the last ATW flight. Since I have jumpseat privlidges on ZW, that helped. After a lengthy search, I found a wide open Skywest flight from PIT-ORD. So I went to BOS, got the jumpseat on BOS-PIT, then non-reved in first class on Skywest (CRJ-700's are very comfortable, much more so than the ERJ), then caught a ZW146 to ATW. I had no problems whatsoever. I often use wierd routings to get from point A to point B. For example, going to BOS, I went from ATW to ORD, then ORD to LGA, then the USAirways Shuttle which is almost always open, from LGA to BOS.
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:28 am

Non-rev during the holidays is suicide. We had a 777 equipment sub here at JAX the other day, I tried to get on it with an S2 and my girlfriend with an S4...didn't make it. They've reduced capacity so damn much that it's impossible to utilize the perks that us airline folks enjoy so much. New Years Eve is slack this year, so we may go make our trip then...gotta do it right on the day of the holiday, then noone complains.

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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:59 am

I was going to fly on DL SNA-ATL-MKE on December 23, but then DL put out a non-rev travel embargo. There were no seats out of any socal airport. Not even WN. However, some places like RNO, SEA, PDX were reporting that WN was operating flights with 30+ open seats. This year is especially worse. From what we're hearing, and what I saw from trying to price out a ticket online, the yields are way up compared to 2004.
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:09 am

Forget it with S4 even on popular routes, you need S3 and during holidays most emps will give up the S2 passes to get out.

Forget S3C (DGS Agents) or S3B (DL Parents) during most holiday travel.
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:12 am

Quoting N276AASTT (Reply 5):
There has been only 1 time I know of where an airline made special arrangements for non-revs. 5 or 6 years ago, there were maybe 100+ non-revs trying to get from LAX to GDL on AA.

Once back in '99 during a pilot strike in AA, some 70 AA employees were stranded in MIA trying to go to DFW for training. A Super 80 was assigned to take them all to DFW; as per the co-workers of mine who were on that flight it was pretty cool to have only employees on board.
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:19 am

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 9):
but then DL put out a non-rev travel embargo.

A total non-rev prohibition?

Really?

Wow! Never heard of that before.
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:24 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 12):
A total non-rev prohibition?

Really?

Wow! Never heard of that before

Only buddy pass travel was prohibited on certain busy days during the hoildays this year. This prohibition did not include employee non-rev travel.
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:59 am

I saw a couple of non-revs on my travels this Xmas Eve, on RIC-IAD they made the flight (but probably missed their 37min connection at Dulles!) and from IAD-LHR the girl got upgraded to Club World when the doors shut.

Seems the non-revs I came across did rather well in comparison to your recollections
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:00 am

Well, to make you feel better - Spirit put an all non-rev embargo on all Caribbean destinations + SJU from 12/20 to 12/28 - no buddy passes, no employees, nobody! And that's how the moral goes down  Smile
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:43 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 1):

strange....i thought i asked for no smartass remarks, just a few answers. save your ridiculous comments for somebody else, i don't care to hear them.

as for not having the aircraft available, i understand, i'm just venting...it just seemed a bit ridiculous to operate such small a/c from CVG-MCO.

if you don't like the way i type w/o the use of capital letters, i don't know what to tell you. unless i'm typing a letter to somebody of importance, it's rare that you will see me using the shift key.

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 10):
Forget it with S4 even on popular routes, you need S3 and during holidays most emps will give up the S2 passes to get out.

i spent all day with 2s, 3s, and 4s. there was no shot for any of us. beginning at approx. 8am, we were denied all flights to MCO, ATL, JAX, TPA, etc...
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:50 am

I cannot understand why anyone would non-rev over the holidays. I spent 2 days with non revs...standing and staring at me as I dispatched full airplanes. I do not feel sorry for people who choose to travel on passes when the flights are notoriously full.

That's nonsense.
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting CRJonBeez (Thread starter):
. i tried everything i could, including eplaining to them that i'm an insulin dependant diabetic and that my supplies were in MCO.

Just curious...are you really insulin dependant, or were you just telling them that to get on the flight? I mean, if you work in SBN, you would have had your insulin supplies with you, right? Why would they have been in MCO?

Don't forget, non-rev travel is a privlege, not a right. (especially on a buddy pass). Around the holidays, its tough for everybody. I tried to get to LAS the day after Christmas, and didn't make it...no big deal. Probably shouldn't have tried that time of year anyway.

One thing I see is non rev's travelling in big groups during the holidays. On the LAS flights I tried to get on, there was a non-rev group of 7, including parents, grandparents, and kids listed on my flight. I would imagine they are still waiting somewhere!
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:07 am

Some of my fellow crewmembers have been lucky and gotten flights to and from their destination. A llittle dicey but, if you don't try, you'll never know.
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:20 am

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 9):
but then DL put out a non-rev travel embargo.

Just a quote from what my friend (the DL employee) told me. Not that it would matter, but I can't figure out why some of these legacy carriers have discontinued station passes for other air carrier employees, if the seat is empty, what difference does it make if another airline employee fills it as a non-rev?
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:45 am

There were a fair number of non-revs on my CO flights on 12/25 (left Cleaveland at 6:10 AM (!)) and 12/28...not as many as I normally see or would have expected, but still a few (and those flights were pretty darn full). I know the gate agent working the flight was leaving for Tampa at 3:00.

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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:57 am

Quoting CRJonBeez (Thread starter):
"you shouldn't have flown S4 during the holidays." i'm well aware of that fact, so i don't need anybody reminding me of it.

You shouldn't have flown S4 during the holidays.
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:06 am

Quoting Jumpseat70 (Reply 17):
That's nonsense.

No common sense is what it is.

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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:07 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 12):
A total non-rev prohibition?

Really?

AA is notorious for this during peak travel season to Hawaii, Europe, etc. D2s and D3s are SOL.  Smile
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:17 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 24):
AA is notorious for this during peak travel season to Hawaii, Europe, etc. D2s and D3s are SOL.

I will be attempting to get to LHR on a D3 pass from ATL via LGA/JFK on the 1st of Jan. Loads are kind of iffy in Y, but J and F look much better so I should be able to get on...
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:22 am

When I was in the industry, I pretty much decided that from mid-December through the first week of January that I wouldn't attempt any non-rev daytrips during that time period.

As for a non-rev embargo during the holidays, perhaps that is a good idea for not only buddy passes, but also employee travel. I could understand embargos on certain routes as well; in some cases, it's practically impossible to non-rev on some routes without having to take the late night flights, regardless of what time of the year or day of the week it is. Las Vegas is a great example of this, and to an extent, trying to get out of MCO.
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:47 am

I could have gone to SYD,BNE,MEL or NRT,LAX,SFO judging by the loads in the last two weeks, so it is possible on some routes, you just have to choose flights carefully. Thankfully our EKT booking over the intranet right up until the day of departure makes it easier to judge accurately. I haven't cos I've been working through, but I'm fully intending a trip shortly.
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:20 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 10):
Forget S3C (DGS Agents) or S3B (DL Parents) during most holiday travel.

I'm S3C. I've been to Rome, London, Tampa, Atlanta, Cinci, Tri-Cities and Toledo all in the last 3 weeks  silly . FCO, LGW, TPA, ATL, and CVG were in first/business class both ways. You just gotta know what you're doing with the loads!
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:27 pm

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 25):
I will be attempting to get to LHR on a D3 pass from ATL via LGA/JFK on the 1st of Jan. Loads are kind of iffy in Y, but J and F look much better so I should be able to get on...

Say a prayer to the airplane gods man...hope you don't get the tenured old bag that works the international check-in gate at AA @ JFK. Come to think of it, there was about 3 of them last time I went through there on my way to BRU.

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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting Jsposaune (Reply 18):

i am in fact diabetic...of course i had the common sense to pack supplies in my carryon, but i thought i would see what i could score with the typical "i'm an idiot and don't know what i'm doing" line.

and to those who say i need to work the system, believe me, i tried. unfortunately, from SBN, i was only able to get to CVG, and from there on out, i couldn't get to any regional airports. i was denied all flights in the country that wouldn't send me directly back to cincinatti the next day.
 
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:41 am

CRJonBeez, get ready to be seriously scolded for that.
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RE: Non-Rev During Holidays

Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 31):
CRJonBeez, get ready to be seriously scolded for that.
Bad idea to lie to get somewhere.

Yeah It's pretty low to do that. To be that desperate to get on the flight
that one lies to your own colleagues is really scraping the barrel
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