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What Do You Think Is A Good Large Airport Design?

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:48 am

I mean an airport that get a lot of traffic but has a good combination of design and location. It handles the whole range of aircraft sizes.

Here is my nomination: KBOS is close to the city. It has a number of runways and it just added new terminal space. Ofcourse it will probably be not enough in a few years. Noise abatement due to the surrounding built areas could be an issue but a large number of heavies come here. It is still an attractive combination IMO.


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Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:51 am

I nominate ATL.. but i'm not sure if anyone else agrees!
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:53 am

I would say that if DEN had high speed rail connections to the major population centers near it, it would be the absolute ideal airport. Master plan allows for up to 11 runways (none of which cross each other) and 500 gates. It can essentially grow "forever" all the while maintaining its extremely efficient design.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:58 am

Actually 12 runways is the total design plan. 4 E/W, 8 N/S .
I would agree DEN would be optimum w/ better connections to town, any town.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:59 am

I was very impressed with SEA when I was there - many gates, a hub for AS, mini hub for NW, serviced by most of the major airliners in the US, scenic location, simplistic, straight forward, sensible terminal design, and not too far from downtown.

As far as takeoffs and landings go, you can't beat LAS at nighttime - I dare anyone to put their airport to the test. Where else can you take off, and immediately see the city's prime attraction off the aircraft right as you lift off?
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:02 am

I would also say DEN is probably the best layed out design w/ multiple runways including crosswind runways. And it is spread out to allow simultaneous ILS approaches. It is a little extreme and was too expensive but it was well designed with the exception of a few things (i.e. the now extinct automated baggage system). It is big though, which means longer taxi times.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:08 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 4):
As far as takeoffs and landings go, you can't beat LAS at nighttime - I dare anyone to put their airport to the test. Where else can you take off, and immediately see the city's prime attraction off the aircraft right as you lift off?

It may have a good view, but from an operational standpoint and a design standpoint I would say LAS is not that great considering there are always ATC holds out of that place.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Is A Good Large Airport Desi

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:11 am

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 1):
I nominate ATL.. but i'm not sure if anyone else agrees!

I agree completely. Atlanta isn't near downtown, but it's connected by rail if you don't want to drive. And it's at the confluence of I-285 and I-85, which is as convenient as Atlanta traffic permits.

Any downside to its location is easily offset by its ease of use once inside. The layout of this massive facility is every bit as functional as it is unimaginative. It is as convenient to move as it is ugly. It has perhaps the best security checkpoint I have ever seen, and unlike EWR or other large airports, you don't have to go through security when changing from one to any of the six terminals. The subway runs very, very well. The signage is clear and easy to read. That everything is orthagonal makes moving around very intuitive. The only thing they might have done differently is made a few of the concourses about 10 feet wider.

But it's ugly. Did I say it's ugly? U-G-L-Y. As in, yo mama so ugly that the doctor smacked her instead of you when you was born. Outside, it's ugly. Inside, it's ugly.

Right now the airport is undergoing some "enhancements" particularly in checkin and baggage claim. It's just lipstick on the pig.

Still, of all the big airports I've visited, I like it the best.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:31 am

My vote goes to ATL as well. It is really a very user-friendly airport and very easy to navigate, especially for non-frequent flyers. My only complaint about ATL is that there are no moving-walkways spanning the length of the concourses. Any airport with airlines operating from different terminals can be confusing, especially when an international flight arrives at one terminal and departs from another one, so airports like BOS, JFK, EWR, LAX etc. are out in my opinion. SEA is okay, unless you are flying in from NRT on UA, then connecting to another domestic UA flight. Actually, any international - domestic connection at SEA-TAC aside from those on NW are a pain. That considered, there isn't much space left to expand the terminal/gates at SEA beyond what is currently in place, so the space could be considered to have been used wisely.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting Eksath (Thread starter):
KBOS

Getting in and out of Logan is horrible. Even with all the changes they have made to the roads there it is crappy around the terminal area.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 1):
I nominate ATL.. but i'm not sure if anyone else agrees!

Yes. Easy to use despite its size. If only we didn't get so man damn Summer thunderstorms causing havoc.

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 7):
It has perhaps the best security checkpoint I have ever seen

Have you been there on a Monday morning when it snakes out past the dinosaur in the atrium? Or do you just go through the Elite line like I do? (Which I have seen have a longer wait then the regular line? The central location of security though is nice. Unfortunately WXIA did the story on the other checkpoint at the T Gates and now that one is crowded.
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RE: What Do You Think Is A Good Large Airport Desi

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:43 am

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 6):
It may have a good view, but from an operational standpoint and a design standpoint I would say LAS is not that great considering there are always ATC holds out of that place.

Fair enough, but when you finally get the clearance, you gotta love that view!

Another thought - I've flown into AUS a couple of times, and I know that airport is about 5 years old. It looks like what is built sufficiently meets demand for that city, but I don't see much room for growth on that land. If they need a new terminal in the future, I don't know where they would put it or tie it in to the existing terminal and runways. Considering how much of a growth boom Austin is in (especially with the business and political traffic they have), shouldn't they have planned a little better for a future terminal or terminals?
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:54 am

Having grown up in Denver I have a sentimental fondness for DEN, and truly it is efficient and spacious. But, outside the main terminal central hall, it feels small, low ceiling, and boxy. For such reasons I don't like Atlanta or other parallel-consourse designs.

To me, airports should be grand and sprawling, evoking the majic and exciting of the flight and the travel itself. For that nothing I've experienced beats Hong Kong's Chep Lap Kok. A single check-in hall with just enough noise leve, big immigration halls on either side, crossing to a mezzanine where you can glimpse the long, tall concourse as the escalator glides down to the walking floor. As you walk down the concourse, openness streches from side to side, with continous, tall windows, broken only by jetways. A good layout, moving walkways, and the underground train make it pretty fast to get through, considering it's big size. And outside, a very high proportion of widebodies and airlines from exotic locations around the world.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:01 pm

ATL wins hands down. However, that new proposed South Passenger Complex may make ATL be like two airports using the same runways, although there will likely be an train service between the main terminals and the new terminal.
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RE: What Do You Think Is A Good Large Airport Desi

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:13 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 10):
Getting in and out of Logan is horrible. Even with all the changes they have made to the roads there it is crappy around the terminal area.

Agreed but how much is related the Big Dig?..I agree traffic can be bad out there.

Another suggestion.

What do you guys think of MCI?

It is in the middle of the country and has a easy terminal layout.


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Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 4):
Where else can you take off, and immediately see the city's prime attraction off the aircraft right as you lift off?

At SDU, you can see some of Rio's prime attractions even before you lift off  Smile
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RE: What Do You Think Is A Good Large Airport Desi

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:18 pm

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 2):
I would say that if DEN had high speed rail connections to the major population centers near it, it would be the absolute ideal airport.

It will in a few years thanks to the Fast Trax vote that passed. There will be a light rail line going out there

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RE: What Do You Think Is A Good Large Airport Desi

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:20 pm

I'm a bit biased since I grew up in Southeastern Massachusetts, but BOS is a great airport. They've had a lot of reconstruction in the past few years, and I think road access has improved. I know that the traffic is certainly better with the Ted Williams Tunnel now that they've gotten the kinks out, and the Sumner is even a bit better. Now that I've seen the access at JFK and EWR, I appreciate the ease of BOS much better. To locals who haven't seen much else, BOS is a mess. However, once you've seen JFK, which is a giant revolving highway of chaos, or even EWR, another similar highway-like design, you'll appreciate the access at BOS.

As for the runway layout, I like the two pairs of parallel runways (04-22L/R, 15-33L/R) and the additional east-west runway (09-27) because they can handle many simultaneous operations. The only problem is the high number of incursions - which is more a tower problem, but the runway structure certainly doesn't help.

BOS is also a great airport for spotting. All of the major runways have some fantastic spotting locations off-airport. Check out my blog at 360.yahoo.com/flytweed for some information on that if you're interested.

BOS does have some interesting stuff at times, but it is largely domestic activity. The new B6 190s are nice, which are frequent visitors now that B6 added the new shuttle service to JFK. My major pet peeve about BOS is that there are a ton of RJ ops from US, DL, and American Eagle. The American Eagle ERJ's drive me nuts because they're in and out every two minutes it seems.

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Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:21 pm

KBOS? Are you insane. Yes it might be close to the city, but access is horrible. It has become a bit better with the new tunnel plus the Silver Line, but with only two routes from downtown, traffic often is a problem. At the airport itself, the terminal design is very marginal at best, and causes even more road problems. Ever been to terminal B. This terminal is the worst for vehicular traffic, and even courtesy buses have problems here. Airside, the runway design is horrible. There are so many crossing runways, which makes it very inefficient, and with nimby opposition to the taxiway projects, its even more so. In fact, there would be times when some airlines, United being notorious for this, would want 15R because 9 is too short. Thats all fine and dandy, but 4R is about the same as 15R, and its easier for tower to work traffic into. 15R crosses 3 active runways in the east conifguration, so waiting for that runway causes major delays, where its much easier to work traffic out of 4R.

I would certainly put MCO on the list. A nice central terminal with lots of pre-security shopping and a food court, then with the airsides all having their own shops and food courts, its great. Plus they have 4 parallel runways, which are spread out to allow triple simaltaneous approaches, and the airport it self is very well run. And there is room to expand, and the airport is very convenient to the tourist attractions that attract a lot of visitors. PIT would be another honorable mention with the airmall. ATL is also very good as people have mentioned, but they need the new runway asap, because there have been lots of GDP's. The one problem all three of these airports have is the security after customs, because you have access to checked luggage in the customs hall and going through a secure area, there are things you could have pulled out of checked luggage that would not be allowed in a secure area. For that reason, as well as the aforementioned reasons, I would tend to say DEN, but they need a rail connection badly.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:24 pm

From my perspective, as a pilot, I wouldn't consider BOS a good design, due to it's intersecting runways. I pray that there won't be a major catastrophic collision at a runway intersection (at any airport, not just necessarily at BOS). IIRC, there was an intersecting runway (incursion) incident at BOS recently.

DEN would get my vote for best airfield design, though it is far from the city (exactly the same thing was said about DEN Stapleton when it opened!).
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RE: What Do You Think Is A Good Large Airport Desi

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:25 pm

Quoting Eksath (Reply 13):
Agreed but how much is related the Big Dig?..I agree traffic can be bad out there.

Not much I think since it is on the other side of the harbor from the Dig. Coming in from the west through the Ted Williams tunnel is great but once you hit the airport proper things turn crappy quickly.

Quoting Eksath (Reply 13):
What do you guys think of MCI?

It is in the middle of the country and has a easy terminal layout.

I like MCI so god choice there. My only question is how easy is it to get from one terminal to another? Can it be done all behind security or do you have to go out and come back in? If MCI were to be a hub for an airline across multiple terminals you have the problem (like DFW) where your plane comes into one terminal but your car is at another one. A minor annoyance but still one to consider.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:29 pm

Quoting Eksath (Reply 13):
What do you guys think of MCI?

It is in the middle of the country and has a easy terminal layout.

Looks too much like crop circles (and being middle America, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if that's what inspired the design). And all you have to do is look at DFW as to how much passengers like going round and round to find a gate.
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RE: What Do You Think Is A Good Large Airport Desi

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting Eksath (Thread starter):
Here is my nomination: KBOS is close to the city. It has a number of runways

That is the very thing that makes it the OPPOSITE of a good large design. The airfield is outdated and horribly inefficent. In addition, there is no way to grow it. BOS may win for location but thats it.

Part of the reason why I love working in airport planning and design is the fact that no two airports are exactly alike. There is no certain "good" design, it all depends on the airports exact role. An ATL like terminal would not work very well at a heavy O&D airport with a diverse airline structure like JFK, and a JFK like terminal structure would be horrible for an airport like ATL. Then you have airports with a mix like ORD, each large airport will have their own "good" design if planned properly.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:42 pm

I really love the new Northwest DTW terminal. It is hands down one of the most impressive terminals I have seen, with its high speed train running the length of the linear concourse and the large plasma screen TV's on the walls in the gate areas of concourse A. Concourse B is shaping up pretty nicely as well with its current expansion. And DTW has many parallel runways to ease traffic congestion.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:46 pm

Quoting FlyTweed (Reply 16):

As for the runway layout, I like the two pairs of parallel runways (04-22L/R, 15-33L/R) and the additional east-west runway (09-27) because they can handle many simultaneous operations. The only problem is the high number of incursions - which is more a tower problem, but the runway structure certainly doesn't help.

First of all 15L-33R is only 2500' long, which means no one besides cape air can actually make use of it, and even so, only in VFR weather, so I don't buy there are two sets of parallel runways. Also remember that 4L cannot be used by Jets for takeoff and 22R can't be used for landings by them. This reduces the number of simaltaneous operations that can be handled. The best configuration they have is the southwest confuguration, when 22R and 22L are available for departures, and 27 is the primary runway, but they can use 22L as an overflow with both being ILS equipped. There is the East configuration where 9 is the primary departure runway and 4R is used for landing. If its a VFR day, they can use 4L for landings, which are usually relegated to RJ's and props, but every now and then a mainline plane will get the runway. In this configuration, since 9 is only 7000' long, many flights will request the longer runway to get out, especially widebodies, and any flights operated by United or America West. This is why I don't trust widebodies in LGA as I mentioned on a different thread. Also, they will get Cape Air, and Dash 8's out on 4L. If its IFR, everyone has to use 4R to land, which can reduce the arrival rate. The other configuration is the Northwest configuration, which uses 27 for Departures, and 33L for landings, as well as departures needing a longer runway. This is the least efficient configuration, and it also produces long takeoff taxis for the airlines.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:53 pm

I can't believe no one has mentioned MCO yet!  Smile



 
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RE: What Do You Think Is A Good Large Airport Desi

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:54 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 17):
I would certainly put MCO on the list. A nice central terminal with lots of pre-security shopping and a food court, then with the airsides all having their own shops and food courts, its great.



Quoting AirRyan (Reply 24):
I can't believe no one has mentioned MCO yet!

I think somebody did  Smile
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:57 pm

I guess I'm the first to nominate SLC. It has tons of expansion possibility and if we can ever get a better airline than DL to run a nice-size operaiton out here, I'd like to utilize the most convinient hub in the west. *Old Western Airlines slogan*
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:03 pm

JFK has a special place in my heart (my favorite airport), but for ease of use I'll say

MCO - great layout, parallel runways, etc.

ATL - easy airport to get around/transfer in, I just wish they'd put some damn moving walkways in the place!
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:06 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 20):
My only question is how easy is it to get from one terminal to another?

One has to come out of the sterilized area to change terminals but on the PLUS side the terminals (by nature of the shape) are easy to connect to. The distance is rather short and shuttle buses circulate. In my experience it has been rather easy.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:07 pm

Well it is not going to be LHR for sure. What a mess it is. I like the fact that it is relatively close to London, but the design, layout and access are quite poor. This is unsuprising given its history and the intention for which it was built and how it has subsequently grown, although it is a shame that such an important airport is also not one of the nicest to use.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:09 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 9):
Getting in and out of Logan is horrible. Even with all the changes they have made to the roads there it is crappy around the terminal area.

Oh come on now, except for its bad runway layout and need for another long runway (finally coming, maybe), BOS is an excellent airport. The terminals are crap for a hub operation, but the airport is not supposed to be a hub. They are excellent for their task of handling strong, high yield O&D traffic. As far as getting there goes, I find it hard to say any airport in America (the world?) is as accessable as Logan. You have the subway, Silver Line BRT, Logan Express, The Docks (Yes, you can take a boat to Logan and it is the fastest way from downtown or the south shore) and the 2 tunnel routes that effectively guide traffic in different directions. It takes me 15 minutes, driveway to terminal from West Newton, at any time of day. From BU, Storrow to the Callahan is the same. Now compare Logan to Atlanta where a drop of lane or a flake of snow (which comes every, single year, don't fool yourself) causes that airport to close for the better part of 3 days and Delta to cancel 2000 flights.

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Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 2):
I would say that if DEN had high speed rail connections to the major population centers near it, it would be the absolute ideal airport.

It will in a few years thanks to the Fast Trax vote that passed. There will be a light rail line going out there

Actually, a DMU line will likely be going in, not light rail
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:12 pm

DCA all the way Baby!!!

5 Minute ride to downtown DC.

Tons of expansion possibilities, just as soon as we divert the Potomac River.

Slam dunk river visual approach is always an "E" ticket ride. Little high, and a little long = Boards, Brakes & Buckets. I love the smell of full reversers and burn tires in the morning - smells like ... Victory.

Departing to the north? Better turn left, or have those anti-missile flares ready to go.

Tons of heavy international traffic (AC JungleJets to Toronto)

And lets face it, we take our security seriously here in DC. There is nothing more arousing than a full body pat-down from a 300lb TSA agent with an attitude. Tell 'em "Osama" sent you for extra fun.

What's not to like about DCA?!?!?

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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:19 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 17):
I would certainly put MCO on the list.

Where was my mind. MCO is great (and my old hometown.) My only complaint against MCO is there is no way to get from the eastern airsides to the western airsides without going in and out of security.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:21 pm

I'll nominate DFW, even though some have criticized its terminal layout.

It has 7 runways that do not intersect. Its traffic patterns are managed in east/west sections, almost like two separate airports. This allows for tight separation between arrivals.

There is still a plan for an 8th runway, once the legal problems are resolved with the city of Grapevine.

And after living in Dallas for 15 years, I found the terminals easy to handle. Especially for departures, it was always easy to park very close to my departure gate. If I had to ride the TrAAm upon my return, that was no big deal. Actually I liked it.


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RE: What Do You Think Is A Good Large Airport Desi

Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:22 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 26):
if we can ever get a better airline than DL to run a nice-size operaiton out here

If it wasn't for Delta, and all of their connecting PAX, SLC would probably only see nonstop service to major hubs, like other medium sized cities. If Delta closes up shop, I imagine there would be airlines to fill in some of the gaps, but if that happened, airlines would rely mostly on O&D traffic, and the variety of destinations currently available would probably drop substantially.
That said, back to the topic...
SLC has an efficient design from what I've seen on my layovers there.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:26 pm

Quoting Concord977 (Reply 33):
I'll nominate DFW, even though some have criticized its terminal layout.

With the Skylink now operational, I'd argue that DFW is very nearly ideal. There's no other major airport I prefer for O/D travel, and connections are easy enough, particularly considering its size and scope. Given that it's what, 30 years old now, I think DFW is a particularly successful airport design.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:27 pm

Until now I had never looked at DEN through Google Maps. That is the most interesting looking design I have ever seen. There is also no reason for anyone in Denver to complain about noise from the airport since it doesn't look to be all that close to any civilization. The way the runways are layed out means DEN has layed claim to alot of land. Smart move. Room for expansion should be a problem for another thousand years  Smile
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:29 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 26):
I guess I'm the first to nominate SLC. It has tons of expansion possibility and if we can ever get a better airline than DL to run a nice-size operaiton out here, I'd like to utilize the most convinient hub in the west. *Old Western Airlines slogan*

Are you crazy? Besides the fact that the airport was built in the worst possible spot for the inversions in SLC. I remember last year that for 4 days every 10 seconds or so there would be a message on our printer of cancelled flights because of weather. Also you really dont have that much room for expansion...the lake to one side and the city to the other.


My vote goes to DEN. Longest non-military runway in the US(maybe the world) 16'000 by 200ft...also there is enormour room for expansion!!!
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 37):
My vote goes to DEN. Longest non-military runway in the US(maybe the world) 16'000 by 200ft...also there is enormour room for expansion!!!

I liked the airport and design. I enjoy the really really long taxiing to take off  Smile-)) but the distance from the city is considerable. I remember a heck of a taxi ride everytime.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:41 pm

Im going to go with YVR.
-reasonably close to town
-nice senery around
-excellent variety of airlines, airplanes and destinations
-very nice looking design
-clean and efficient
-relatively easy to get around
-lots to see and do
-lines are ussually not too bad


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Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:42 pm

Quoting Eksath (Reply 13):

What do you guys think of MCI?

It is in the middle of the country and has a easy terminal layout.

And the airport was operational how long before the most common sense of renovations happened that was so common sense it shouldn't have been a renovation, it should have been there to begin with (yes thats right, I'm talking about the bathrooms)? MCI isn't an efficient connecting hub design at all, and it's really hurting the city's potential.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:26 pm

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I would say that if DEN had high speed rail connections to the major population centers near it, it would be the absolute ideal airport.

There is a train system scheduled to go into effect in a few years. I have heard that from several Denver residents - can anyone hear confirmt that?

The beauty of DEN is that despite the gripes of people who wanted a cheap fix to the old Stapleton, the long-term planning REALLY has paid off. Yes, it had problems in the beginning - the experimental computerized baggage system did not work as promised, and was subsequently removed.

But the long term planning for the new airport is really starting to pay off. Virtually unlimited expansion abilities (runways, gates, terminals), non-intersecting runways long enough to handle long flights from the high altitude, and a city that is growing towards the airport, scoffing at the naysayers who said it would always be out in the middle of nowhere.

If Chicago had an airport the size and capacity of DEN, Mayor Dailey would still want to expand, but he'd still have to admit it would make Chicago's life a LOT easier just as it is now.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:27 pm

Americas:

Mega-hub: DEN- A big improvement would be increasing the speed limit on the access road to 80 mph. That road is such a speed trap.

Small-hub: YVR- Beautiful and functional

Large O/D: MCO- Works well both operationally and for the passenger

Small O/D: PDX- Light and airy concourses. Great shopping and eating.

Europe:

Mega-hub: AMS- It works well and has good shopping. Dining lacks a bit.

Small-hub: HEL- quick, easy transfers

Large O/D: BCN- Great improvement the past 10 years. Went from a 3rd world like dive to a world-class facility.

Small O/D: OSL- Beatutiful if a bit dour. Works well with parallell runways and a high-speed train to the city.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:04 pm

DTW DTW DTW DTW DTW DTW

Yes, I like DTW. Clean, spacious, nice design, tram (!).

ZRH is nice as well.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:42 pm

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Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:55 am

The new design at FRA when Terminal 3 is built. Just saw the plans for Terminal 3 today. Looks AWESOME!!!!!
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:31 am

One thing that seemed to escape DEN planners was a walkway connecting the concourses in addition to the trains. When the trains are down it is a pain getting to your gate. Granted, it doesn't happen very often but it does now and then.
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:44 pm

I'm with Bongo!

HKG is GREAT! I love the baggage check-in downtown. Check my bag, get my boarding pass, ride the super quick train, clear customs...and shop till my wife drops, the boarding call, or my credit card maxes! (At the speed with which my wife shops at...I wish the train took a bit longer to get to the airport.)

Another stunning aspect of HKG is I've never seen a long line at customs, and yet my bag is always WAITING for me after I have practically sprinted through customs. I'm deeply impressed with this  Smile

(Oh...and if you look at my location and wonder why I check bags on HKG-TPE...Taiwanese wife...shopping...enuff said!  Smile )

As for the couple of mentions for YVR...yes...love it, and it's home. Too bad everything is closed though when EVA departs to TPE.
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:00 am

I would say the following airport have great designs: (In no order)

1 - DFW
2 - HKG
3 - DXB
4 - DEN
5 - YVR

Also EWR and JFK are pretty easy to get around due to the AirTrain, JFK you can get round the terminals quite easy  Smile

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Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:23 am

I'm with Bongo as well, HKG is amazing!
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