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Best DC-3 Replacement?

Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:56 am

What aircraft was the best DC-3 replacement during its time? And what aircraft replaced the most DC-3's? F-27's, Convairs? (380 and 580) or the upgraded DC-3's?


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Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:04 am

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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:58 am

Well, it's often joked about, even on this side of the atlantic, that the only replacement for a DC-3 is another DC-3.  Smile
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:39 am

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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:42 am

It is said that the F27 came the closest to being the ultimate DC-3 replacement. I can't prove it with sales data, but it's what most books and websites say...

But of course, the only replacement for a DC-3 is another DC-3. But then I think the only replacement for a F27 is another F27 or a F50, but maybe that's just my personal opinion.

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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:01 am

Well I have heard that when NW replaces their DC-9's it will be with DC-3's.........LOL  Smile
 
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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:33 am

I believe the airplane that scrapped more DC-3/C-47s was the Bf-109......LOL
 
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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:01 pm

In some cases, it was turbine conversion DC-3s; some with a stretch. Definitely having your cake and getting to eat it too!

More recently, about 10 years ago in the skydiving industry they were replaced with Twotters mostly and a bit with King-Airs as well. King Air doesn't seem logical with less than half the capacity of the DC-3 but given much faster climb rates is pretty close to a one for one replacement.
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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:40 pm

Of course I'm biased - look at my Username - but it is a fact that the predecessor of BA on shorthaul routes - British European Airways - replaced its DC-3 Pioneer Class aircraft with the Vickers Viscount 701 and 802 / 806. This aircraft was also ordered and flown by Air France, KLM and Lufthansa amongst leading European airlines, Capital, Northeast and United in the US (although United inherited their aircraft) and Trans Australian Airlines, Ansett and New Zealand Airways in Australasia.
 
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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:49 pm

other than the proverbial" another DC-3" which has a lot of truth to it,in the non-sched freight industry in the states,the 24 hour ,7 day a week on call freight dogs,2 airplanes replaced the venerable 3, 1. the Cessna Caravan, good for almost 3000lbs of lift, cruised at the same anemic speed(maybe a bit faster) ,had one crew member up front, and a single thrifty,RELIABLE,pt-6 up front,instead of 2 thirsty 100 gals per hour PW 1830s, that were blessed to make TBO. 2. the Falcon 20 freighter, a jet that could take three standard bins at 6000 lbs (the DC-3s max load ,and still carry enough gas to fly anywhere),and deliver them at over 400kts,in less than 1/2 the time it took the Douglas racer. Up till '97 the 0ld girl was still the cheapest way to move 6,000 lbs ,500 air miles. When reliabilty and speed became an issue, her days were numbered. In terms of natural evolution though, the Convair liners,240/340/440 were the natural successors and replacements to the DC-3 on many routes worldwide. featuring pressurization,radar, and 200 kt + cruise speeds ,plus the reliability of the superb R2800 engine,the Convairs were an evolutionary step forward from the tailwagging,good old diesel 3.
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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting MD90fan (Thread starter):
What aircraft was the best DC-3 replacement during its time?

In my view, no ac has ever replaced the DC-3.
As the DC-3 was produced by the thousands during the war, it came cheap and handy after the war.
Almost all airlines used it.
Any replacement at the time had to be better, i.e. different (more power, turbos, more load, more comfort,...).
A real replacement of the DC-3 in terms of performances (25 pax, 2-3t payload depending on the range) came later in the shape of the Short SC-7 Skyvan and the Nord 262. But they were not mass produced and they were not cheap.
All the others, Handley-Page Herald, Vickers Viscount, Fokker F-27/Fairchild-Hiller F-227, Convair 240 to 640, Hawker-Siddeley 748, NAMC YS-11, Antonov An-24, had at least twice as much passengers as the DC-3
 
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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Sun Jan 01, 2006 1:31 am

Please don't forget, in it's days, the DC-3 was a Mainliner and not a bush plane. Wasn't it AA painting "Mainliner" on it's DC-2's and DC-3's?
The DC-3 was "the" short- and medium haul airliner of the late 30ties, the 40ties and the 50ties before the Convairs arrived and took over. If we go on in evolution we will struggle over the Caravelle, early 737's the DC-9 and end up at 737NG and A320's. So the replacement could be called Airbus and Boeing Big grin

Sure, other birds as the Caravelle, Viscounts, Vanguards etc. fully disappeared in the meantime, since the DC-3 always found new users. This, I guess, because it's a simple, cheap and "relatively" reliable design. Under those aspects, probably the F27's or from the newer designs the DHC-8 and the SAAB 340 may be the real replacements.

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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:17 am

A few decades ago, the Aerospatiale Nord 262 was voted 2nd best replacement aircraft for the DC-3 (I don't know by what standard and I don't know by whom...), but it didn't help the sales, only 111 were built, and mostly for the french air force.

It is a formidable aircraft though, and that I can say since I have about 800 hours on it in airline service. They flew impeccably for 30+ years old a/c, carrying very decent payloads, with honorable performance and they were extraordinarily sturdy and reliable. We operated them from unprepared runway, as they had decent STOL capacity and a solid trailing link main landing gear.

They also were pretty fuel efficient (for their time), as they only burned about half the fuel a F-27 would, and carrying more than half the payload.
Maintenance was also easier (Any Mech that had to deal with a leaky compressed air system can relate...).

The French air force still uses those, mainly for maritime surveillance, training and as light transport.


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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:56 am

The airliners built and marketed as DC-3 replacements were CV-240 and F.27.
 
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RE: Best DC-3 Replacement?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:27 am

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 11):
Please don't forget, in it's days, the DC-3 was a Mainliner and not a bush plane.

Very true. When the DC-3 appeared, it was a large airliner, seating 21 or 28. And it was the best aircraft available for long-range work too - KLM soon flew Holland-Java with it.

So, the Boeing and Airbus jets, not excluding the big jets, are the true successors of the DC-3.
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