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Most Dangerous Airline?

Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:46 pm

Who has lost the most planes/passengers ever!
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:14 am

All depends on how you look at it...

If you own two airplanes and one crashes, you have lost 50% of your fleet.
Some would argue thats alot.

If you own 10 planes and one crashes, you lose only 10% of your fleet.
Some would say thats low.

The ratio is kind of important because not all airlines are the same size.


Just my thought on the subject.
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:14 am

This gets my vote as - a.netters ' HAPPY Thread of the day'  Big grin

I think the title is a bit misleading - we all have different perceptions of danger. for example, have you ever bought food on an FR flight - now thats dangerous.........

Back to the question - without and statistics or facts infront of me,
I would think that the following airlines would be on the list for passengers lost- however I could be way off the mark and corrected.

- Pan Am
- Korean
- AA

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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:16 am

Any airline based in Nigeria.

Their record has been a bit tarnished lately.
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 2):
- Pan Am
- Korean
- AA

AA is the worlds biggest airline, so they might have lost more PAX than some others, but If you're telling me they are on the "most dangerous list," I'm going to have to ask you what you've been smoking this morning.
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:25 am

CI probably tops all the above mentioned, 2 A300s and a 742 in less than 10 years with over 200 on each.
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:33 am

I would have thought it was some of the Chinese Airliners?

Or most definitely Aeroflot?
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 3):
AA is the worlds biggest airline, so they might have lost more PAX than some others, but If you're telling me they are on the "most dangerous list," I'm going to have to ask you what you've been smoking this morning.

As I said in my earlier thread, the title of the topic is misleading - "MOST DANGEROUS AIRLINE".
You will note I did not call AA most dangerous!

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 2):
I would think that the following airlines would be on the list for passengers lost

Cheers

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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:38 am

http://aviation-safety.net/database/operator/airline.php?var=5088

I think that BSAA would have been a contender, but they were closed down.
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 4):
AA is the worlds biggest airline, so they might have lost more PAX than some others, but If you're telling me they are on the "most dangerous list," I'm going to have to ask you what you've been smoking this morning.

I don't have any numbers handy, but AA has had their share of misfortune along with the lesser know carriers. CFIT has gotten several in the last decade including AA at Cali. Crew fatigue mixed with weather, AA at LIT. AF at Toronto? Remains to be seen. And now to start the flames, no other airline has broken the tail off an A300. Training issue? Maintenance? Wasn't the machine.

"Most dangerous" or "least safe"? Flying is the safest mode of transportation we have. Unfortunately "we" and "it" are imperfect.
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 2):
This gets my vote as - a.netters ' HAPPY Thread of the day'

I wouldn't be that sure (the day is not over yet). You still may get something like "How is XX doing on XXX to XXX"?  Smile
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:11 am

http://www.baaa-acro.com/Compagnies%...h%20South%20American%20Airways.htm

I do not have figures for total aircraft in operation, but it seems to be 6 Lancastrian, 12 York and a handfull of Tudors/Anson's.

Not the greatest number of fatalities, but still pretty scary.
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:14 am

What about Aeroflot...in some years they even had like 30 crashes !

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 3):
Any airline based in Nigeria.

Their record has been a bit tarnished lately.

would that be Okada air and their BAC 111
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:21 am

The ratio of Airlines in Africa I guess.
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 2):
I would think that the following airlines would be on the list for passengers lost- however I could be way off the mark and corrected.

- Pan Am
- Korean
- AA

AA... Just because they are the largest does not constitute that statement. Also they were not the largest until they got TWA. Therefore there are a handful of airlines that go before them. Between 1953 and 2004 AA has only had (15) accidents that were fatal. Also the FAA classes a fatal accident as a result of a/c failure or weather, not hyjackings therefore all the 9/11 accidents for AA were not included.

Quoting Ansett767 (Reply 6):
Or most definitely Aeroflot?

07.27.1953 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-12 12:12
Kanggye, North Korea
08.15.1957 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-14 23:23
Copenhagen, Denmark SSSR-L1874
08.15.1958 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104A 64:64
Chita, Russia ---
10.17.1958 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104A 80:80
Kanas, Russia ---
11.16.1959 Aeroflot Antonov AN-10 40:40
Lvov, Ukraine, USSR SSSR-11167
12.13.1959 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18 29:29
Tashkent, Uzbekistan, USSR ---
02.26.1960 Aeroflot Antonov AN-10 32:32
Lvov, Ukraine, USSR SSSR-11180
08.17.1960 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18 35:35
Kiev, Ukraine, USSR SSSR-75705
01.27.1962 Aeroflot Antonov AN-10 13:13
Batataevka, Ukraine, USSR SSSR-11148
06.28.1962 Aeroflot Antonov AN-10A 81:81
Adler ,Russia SSSR-11186
06.30.1952 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104A 84:84
Krasnoyarsk, USSR SSSR-42340
09.02.1962 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104A 86:86
Khabarovsk, USSR SSSR-42366
10.25.1962 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104B 10:10
Moscow, Russia SSSR-42495
07.13.1963 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104B 35:35
Irkutsk, Russia SSSR-42492
09.02.1964 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18B 87:87
Sakhalin, Russia SSSR-75531
10.19.1964 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18 33:33
Mt. Avala, Yugoslavia ---
03.08.1965 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-124 25:25
Kuybyshev, Russia SSSR-45028
02.17.1966 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-114B 21:21
Moscow (Sheremetyevo), Russia SSSR-76457
11.16.1967 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18B 130:130
Sverdlovsk, Russia SSSR-75538
02.29.1968 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18D 82:82
Bratsk, Russia SSSR-74252
08.26.1969 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18 16:112
Moscow, Russia ---
01.28.1970 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 34:34
Batagai, Russia SSSR-47701
01.29.1970 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-124 11:11
Murmansk, Russia SSSR-45083
02.06.1970 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18 92:92
Samarkand, Uzbekistan, USSR SSSR-75798
04.01.1970 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 45:45
SSSR-47751 ---
05.15.1970 Aeroflot Antonov AN-10 11:11
Kishiniev, Moldavia SSSR-11149
07.18.1970 Aeroflot Antonov AN-22 23:23
Atlantic Ocean SSSR-0903
09.02.1970 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-124 37:37
Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine SSSR-45012
12.31.1970 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18 93:93
Leningrad, Russia SSSR-75773
03.31.1971 Aeroflot Antonov AN-10 64:64
Voroshilovgrad, Russia SSSR-11145
07.25.1971 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104B 97:126
Irkutsk, Russia SSSR-42405
10.13.1971 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104B 20:20
Moscow, Russia SSSR-42490
11.12.1971 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 47:47
Vinnitsa, Russia SSSR-46809
12.01.1971 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 57:57
Saratov, Russia SSSR-46788
05.04.1972 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-40 18:18
Bratsk, USSR SSSR-87778
06.18.1972 Aeroflot Antonov AN-10A 122:122
Kharkov, Ukraine SSSR-11215
08.31.1972 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18 101:101
Magnitogorsk, Russia SSSR-74298
10.02.1972 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18B 109:109
Adler, Russia SSSR-75507
10.13.1972 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-14 174:174
Krasnaya Polyana, USSR SSSR-86671
02.19.1973 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-154 66:100
Prague, Czechoslovakia SSSR-85023
02.24.1973 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18 79:79
Leninabad, Russia SSSR-75712
05.11.1973 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18 61:61
Semipalatinsk, Kazakastan SSSR-75687
05.25.1973 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104A 100:100
Chita, Siberia ---
06.03.1973 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-144 6:6 + 8
Goussainville, France SSSR-77102
08.18.1973 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 56:64
Baku, Azerbaijan SSSR-46435
09.30.1973 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104B 108:108
Sverdlovsk, Russia SSSR-42506
10.02.1973 Aeroflot Antonov AN-12 10:10
Magadan, Russia SSSR-12967
10.13.1973 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104B 119:119
Domodedovo, Russia SSR-42486
12.08.1973 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104B 13:72
Moscow, Russia SSSR-42503
12.16.1973 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-124 51:51
Vilnius, Lithuania SSSR-45061
01.06.1974 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 24:24
Mukachevo, Russia SSSR-46357
04.27.1974 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18 118:118
Leningrad, Russia SSSR-75559
01.01.1975 Aeroflot Antonov AN-12 16:16
Sam Neuq, Laos ---
01.03.1975 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-124 61:61
Moscow, Russia SSSR-45037
07.15.1975 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-40 41:41
Batumi, Georgia (Soviet Union) SSSR-87475
11.17.1975 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 38:38
Sukhumi, Georgia (Soviet Union) SSSR-46467
11.20.1975 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 19:19
Kharkov, Ukraine SSSR-46349
01.03.1976 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134 87:87
Moscow, Russia SSSR-45036
02.09.1976 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104A 24:24
Irkutsk, Russia SSSR-42327
03.05.1976 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18D 120:120 + 7
Voronezh, Russia SSSR-75408
05.15.1976 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 52:52
Chernigov, Ukraine, USSR SSSR-46534
06.01.1976 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-154A 46:46
Nacias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea SSSR-85102
09.09.1976 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 90:90
Adler, Russia SSSR-46518
11.28.1976 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104B 72:72
Moscow, Russia SSSR-42471
12.17.1976 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 48:55
Kiev, Ukraine SSSR-46672
01.13.1977 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104A 96:96
Near Alma Ata, Kazakastan SSSR-42369
02.15.1977 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-18 77:77
Mineralnye Vody, Russia SSSR-75520
05.27.1977 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-62 68:70 + 1
Havana, Cuba SSSR-86614
12.09.1977 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 17:17
Tarko-Saley, USSR SSSR-47695
10.07.1978 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-40 38:38
Sverdlovsk, Russia SSSR-87437
01.15.1979 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 13:13
Minsk, Russia SSSR-46807
03.17.1979 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-104B ---
Moskva-Vnukovo, Russia SSSR-42444
03.20.1979 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-40 59:59
Chardzhow, Russia SSSR-78390
08.11.1979 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134A 178:178
Dneprodzerzhinsk, Ukraine SSSR-65735/SSSR-65816
08.23.1979 Aeroflot Antonov AN-12 11:16
Enisseysk, USSR SSSR-12963
08.29.1979 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-124 63:63
Kirsanov, Russia SSSR-45038
09.03.1979 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 40:43
Adema, Russia SSSR-46269
06.12.1980 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-40 29:29
Dushanbe, Russia SSSR-87689
07.07.1980 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-154B 166:166
Alma-Ata, Kasakastan SSSR-85355
02.07.1981 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134 70:70
Leningrad, Russia ---
08.24.1981 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 31:31
Zavitinsk, Russia SSSR-46653
09.18.1981 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-40 33:33
Zeleznogorsk, Russian SSSR-87455
11.16.1981 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-154B 99:167
Nor'ilsk, Russia SSSR-85480
02.23.1982 Aeroflot Antonov AN-26 16:16
Rostov-on-Don, USSR SSSR-26627
06.28.1982 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-42 132:132
Moscow, Russia SSSR-45229
07.06.1982 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-62 90:90
Moscow, Russia SSSR-86513
08.14.1982 Aeroflot Let 410 11:11
Sukhumi, Georgia (Soviet Union) SSSR-67101
09.29.1982 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-62 14:77
Luxembourg SSSR-86470
12.23.1982 Aeroflot Antonov AN-26 16:16
Rostov, Russia SSSR-26627
04.19.1983 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-40 21:21
Leninakan, Russia SSSR-87291
08.30.1983 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134A 90:90
Alma-Ata, Kazakastan SSSR-65129
12.24.1983 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 44:49
Leshukonskoye, Russia SSSR-46617
08.05.1984 Aeroflot Antonov AN-12 23:23
Nawabshah, Pakistan SSSR-10232
10.11.1984 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-154B 174:175 + 4
Omsk, Russia SSSR-85243
12.04.1984 Aeroflot Let 410 10:10
Kostroma, USSR SSSR-67225
12.23.1984 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-154B 110:110
Kranoyarsk, Russia SSSR-85338
02.01.1985 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134A 58:80
Minsk, Belarus SSSR-65910
05.03.1985 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134A 94:94
L'vov, Ukraine SSSR-65856
07.10.1985 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-154B 200:200
Uchuduk, Uzbekistan SSSR-85311
10.11.1985 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-40 14:14
Kutayissi, USSR SSSR-87803
03.02.1986 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 38:38
Bugulma, Russia SSSR-46423
07.02.1986 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134A 54:94
Syktyvar, Russia SSSR-65120
10.14.1986 Aeroflot Let 410 14:14
Ust-Maya, USSR SSSR-67264
10.20.1986 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134A 70:94
Kuybyshev, Russia SSSR-65766
12.12.1986 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134A 70:82
Berlin, E. Germany SSSR-65795
01.18.1988 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-154B 11:143
Krosnovodsk, Turkmenistan SSSR-85254
01.24.1988 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-40 27:31
Nizhnevartovsk, Russia SSSR-87549
02.27.1988 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134A 20:51
Surgut, Russia SSSR-65675
04.19.1988 Aeroflot Let 410 17:17
Bagdarin, USSR SSSR-67518
12.11.1988 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-76 78:78
Leninakan, Armenia ---
07.19.1989 Aeroflot Antonov AN-26 10:10
Talourow Island, USSR SSSR-26685
10.18.1989 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-76 57:57
Nasosny, Russia SSSR-76569
10.20.1989 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-76 25:25
Leninakan, Russia SSSR-76466
11.21.1989 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 34:42
Tyumem, Russia SSSR-46335
01.13.1990 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134A 27:71
Pervouralsk, Russia SSSR-65951
03.27.1990 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-76 11:11
Kabul, Afghanistan SSSR-78781
06.12.1990 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-76 10:10
Kabul, Afganistan SSSR-86905
08.01.1990 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-40 47:47
Stepanakert, Azerbaijan SSSR-87453
05.23.1991 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-154 13:178
Leningrad, Russia SSSR-85097
06.26.1991 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 10:10
Gulf of Finland SSSR-46724
09.16.1991 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 13:13
Petropavlosk, USSR ---
09.26.1991 Aeroflot Antonov AN-24 10:10
St. Petersburg, Russia SSSR-46724
11.07.1991 Aeroflot Yakovlev YAK-40 37:37
Makhackala, Russia SSSR-87526
11.16.1991 Aeroflot Antonov AN-12 20:20
Anderma, Russia SSSR-47823
08.27.1992 Aeroflot Tupolev TU-134A 84:84
Ivanovo, Russia SSSR-65058
02.08.1993 Iran Air Tupolev TU-154M 132:132
Tehran, Iran EP-ITD
03.23.1994 Aeroflot Airbus A310-304 75:75
Mezhdurechensk, Russia F-OGQS
11.11.1998 Aeroflot Ilyushin IL-62 0:0
Anchorage, Alaska, USA RA-86564
11.11.1998 Asiana Boeing 747-48E 0:256
Anchorage, Alaska, USA HL7414

Hands down its Aeroflot.

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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:56 am

Were'nt Aeroflot also the largest airline in the world.

IMO any measure of the most dangerous must take account of crashes v total aircraft/flights or hours.
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:03 am

The old Aeroflot and dangerous equation has been trotted out again by people who should know better yet don't. The poster also asked a difficult question as some have pointed out. Can the Aeroflot of today be compared with the Aeroflot of 1953 or even 1991? Undoubetdly no, although is shares the same name and historical heritage. The CI question is also similar.

For current operational airlines that are actively dangerous to fly on, rather than in some abstract historical way, it is probably somewhere in Africa, most likely in Nigeria. For an airline in a developed country that is dangerous there are examples such as the ongoing wilfull shoddy maintenance at Alaska, the various cover-ups by Air France, the AA tail-falling-off and nothing heard about it again accident of a few years ago, the questionable maintenance at Chalk's Ocean Airways, the recent revelations of poor maintenance and people passing out in row 17 at SAS, and the list goes on. While this may not qualify them as dangerous it does give one pause. As an aviation enthusiast, other than to annoy other enthusiasts because you are bored and need attention, why would someone ask such an open-ended question?
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 15):
Were'nt Aeroflot also the largest airline in the world.

Yes for the longest time they were you are correct on that. Since why I listed there accidents. Today it is AA though being the largest carrier in the world.
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:16 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 15):
IMO any measure of the most dangerous must take account of crashes v total aircraft/flights or hours.

Though the comment in the starter thread was...

Quoting BALandorLivery (Thread starter):
Who has lost the most planes/passengers ever!

That makes BoeingFever777's answer pretty convincing.

Your comment about BSAA is correct.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 11):
Not the greatest number of fatalities, but still pretty scary.

Though you need to remember the airline industry then was a very very different beast to that of today's.
Air safety was far poorer than today with more fatalities across far fewer flights.

BSAA incidentally weren't closed down, but were merged into what became BOAC.
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:16 am

Follow the link and see.

http://www.airdisaster.com/statistics/

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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:51 am

Japan Airlines too....

I heard that JAL may cut down the routes or may stop flying to some destination because JAL said that Safety is not priority. Yesterday, JAL has cancelled so many flights...that's odd. I couldnt find the reason why they cancelled them.
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:53 am

I read that Air Canada is the safest airline with a 1 in a few million chance of being killed and that an airline called "Air Georgia" based in Europe, if I recall, you have a 1 in 10 chance of being killed. This study was done about a year ago.
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:50 am

We are fortunate that in developed countries we don't have to worry about airline safety, but I do have to say that the only airline I am not too sure about here in the U.S is Alaska Airlines. They've had numerous maintenance issues and accidents and not to mention the last major airline fatal accident was the Alaska MD80 that fell from the sky and killed all aboard because a metal part in the tail broke because it was too old for use.
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:16 pm

What about lloyd aereo Boliviano....any information about them ?
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:12 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 11):
Not the greatest number of fatalities, but still pretty scary

As Diesel1 said, BSAA was not closed down but merged into what became BSAA. However, the directors of BSAA were under investigation for irregular company practices and chances were that had BSAA not merged with BOAC, they might well have been closed down.

Branson's mother was a stewardess with BSAA. Perhaps that is from where he gained his buccaneering background
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:00 pm

The point to bear in mind about Aeroflot's safety record (superficially appalling though it is) is that almost all Soviet non-combat aviation was lumped under the heading "Aeroflot". So to get a like for like comparison you'd have to put together (for example) all of the US' airlines and then add all military transport as well. Only then could you really compare the statistics on any meaningful basis.

Also bear in mind the operating conditions - no navigational aids in many parts of the country (hence the glazed navigator positions), grass landing strips, inhospitable weather and so on. These have an impact on the number of crashes the airline has had, but are caused by the flying conditions themselves.

Anyway, if I'm not mistaken, Cubana has the worst record in terms of chance of a given flight not making it?
 
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting Tu114 (Reply 25):
So to get a like for like comparison you'd have to put together (for example) all of the US' airlines and then add all military transport as well. Only then could you really compare the statistics on any meaningful basis.

You are totally right.I can also add that SU international flights use to be far better from SU domestic flights,i personally flew SU in 1993 from SVO to SCL it was a nice experience
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:19 am

I would say any African airlines save for the likes of SAA, etc.

But on a personal note, I will stay away from any Mexican airlines,as well. That includes Mexicana and Aeromexico.
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RE: Most Dangerous Airline?

Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:53 am

I think Aeroflot's safety record has improved A LOT in the last years. What I would like to know is how's their service.

I would be really concerned if I had to fly on some African carriers.

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 27):
I will stay away from any Mexican airlines,as well. That includes Mexicana and Aeromexico

Wow. While I never liked some Mexican airlines such as Aerocalifornia or Taesa, I must say that both Mexicana and Aeromexico have a very decent reputation in all aspects. I have flown Mexicana and I never felt unsafe onboard their aircraft...in fact, I didn't even think about that when I boarded, which means something, doesn't it?

I have also heard that people have some concerns about LCCs. I have flown on Southwest and Easyjet, and I must say that I was delighted with both of them. Southwest was a "different, new" experience, and Easyjet felt VERY professional, dynamic, fresh and efficient.

While having the chance to fly Southwest again could be difficult being on this side of the pond, I have to say that I feel happy to have a great LCC such as Easyjet in Europe. Modern, safe and reliable. I liked them so much that I did some research about them and found out that currently they operate a fleet of 97 aircraft. Thay have operated a grand total of 151 aircraft during their 10 years of existence and have never had an accident. I am quite confident that it will remain like these for the years to come.
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