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What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Production

Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:15 pm

Opinions on what was the best aircraft never to see production... Could be a plane that never made it past the drawing board or a model that actually flew but was never green lighted for production or even a model that was green lighted and then cancelled before any production variants were built. It could be anything really. What are your thoughts?
 
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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:30 pm

Quoting AviationAddict (Thread starter):
Opinions on what was the best aircraft never to see production...

The 7J7.

Had Boeing built a true replacement for the 737 in the late-80s, Airbus never would have picked-up the momentum they did in the 90s. It was probably Boeing's first, last, and only clear shot to definitivly sink Airbus.

That being said, I don't blame them for continuing with the 737/757. The 7J7 incorperated some highly speculative technology that is ambitious by today's standards. Had Boeing screwed up the execution, they would have given Airbus an even bigger opportunity.
 
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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:31 pm

I'm thinking the Boeing 2707 or Tupelov Tu-144 (not sure if that last one counts).

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Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:34 pm



My opinion? The Dornier 728:



With more secure funding and more solid corporate management, there's no telling how far this aircraft could have gone. At the very least, it would have become a contender to the new Embraers.




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Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:43 pm

aeternum nauta
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 3):
With more secure funding and more solid corporate management, there's no telling how far this aircraft could have gone.

That's a very good point.
 
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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:04 pm

The Boeing SST

Only a wooden mock up that cost $400 mln.

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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:47 pm

The Lockheed Chain Lightning, a development of the P-38.
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Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:06 pm

my opinion: Fokker F130!
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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:14 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Tupelov Tu-144

What do you mean? Surely the Tu-144 had been put in production  scratchchin 


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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:14 pm

I vote for the Princess as well  Wink A very beautiful early A380..... And we would not have needed to spend any runway or taxiway money Big grin

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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:31 pm

Not a commericial aircraft, but my vote's for the British 1960's TSR2 supersonic bomber. Fantastic potential killed off by political interference and ineptitude.
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Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:48 pm

The concorde and the TU-144 were pitted against each other and the better of the two would go into production wasn't it? The crash during the display the Le Bourget in 73 kind of doomed the Tu-144 did it not?

Also remember, that any aircraft, on paper, looks good. Its all heresay and conjecture really isn't it?
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:49 pm

Boeings 747-500 and 747-600 come to mind..

And what about this beauty:
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Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:51 pm

XB-70 Walkyrie.

http://sr71.net/Airplanes/XB-70/tn/xb-70-3.med.jpg
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:05 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 12):
The concorde and the TU-144 were pitted against each other and the better of the two would go into production wasn't it? The crash during the display the Le Bourget in 73 kind of doomed the Tu-144 did it not?

Uhm no, Concorde was the Anglo French aircraft, and the Tu-144 was the Soviet aircraft - competitors in the same manner as the 737 and the A320, not competitors for the same production contract.

The Tu-144 flew for several years within the Soviet Union before suffering a second crash which permanently grounded the fleet (until NASA took one over for several years in the 1990s).
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:10 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 12):
The concorde and the TU-144 were pitted against each other and the better of the two would go into production wasn't it?

Ummm.... No!

Concorde ---> BAC/Aerospatiale
Tu144 ---> Tupolev

2 different companies, both went into production, and both saw airline service but the TU144 didnt last long, and was used for the postal run in the end. And we all know Concorde's story.
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Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 16):
the TU144 didnt last long, and was used for the postal run in the end

Actually the Tu-144 started out on postal runs, and was only upgraded to passenger flights later on! It entered service running post and freight in December 1975, and two years later started passenger service. A second crash in 1978 meant the types withdrawl from passenger service, with a freight service running from 1979 to 1980. The last commercial run was in 1987.
 
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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 17):
Actually the Tu-144 started out on postal runs, and was only upgraded to passenger flights later on!

I stand corrected.....
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Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:20 am

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 14):
XB-70 Walkyrie

Absolutely - the Valkyrie was awesome !!!!
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Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:07 am

Re Tu-144, I flew on the beast from Moscow to Alma Ata as part of a press junket for Aeroflot as a member of the foreign correspondent team. Never in my life have I experienced such vibrations of the plane and the cabin. No wonder they crashed. Luckily, our's didn't. Home trip to Moscow was on an IL-62.
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:24 am

RIXrat, you have mentioned a very rare and fascinating experience with the TU-144.
Maybe post this on the free forum here;
www.concordesst.co.uk

On topic, myself I favour only count aircraft that actually flew.
Thus ruling out B2707, in any case, the first two versions were impractical, losing too much time and money.
We'll never know about the final B2707-300.

Definitely the Saunders-Roe Princess, if only for the once suggested troop transport role.

TSR-2-Yes, the flights carried out boded well for the airframe/engine, avionics-very advanced for the time, might have been a different matter.

XB-70 looked and was impressive, though really not having the 3rd prototype flying raises questions about if it would have met the performance targets.
As a weapon system, it would have been pretty useless, dodging, avoiding SAM-2 missiles and IA-PVO fighters pre the Mig-25 was one thing, but SAM-5 missiles and the Mig-25/AA-6 weapon combination might have been different.
Unlike the B-52, it would not have had the versatility in roles other than strategic nuclear attack, that has ensured the B-52's very long service.

Though aircraft actually built and not flown, are easier to judge than aircraft that remained on paper.

The Dornier 728-if it had flown, definitely, but it seemed a good enough project.

As for unbuilt variants of aircraft that did fly;
The original Super VC-10-Longer than the Super that was flown, seating up to 212 pax, if the refanned Conway, the abortive RB.178 in it's initial versions, had been fitted, (an improvement like the JT8D-200 over previous versions), this could have been a contender into the early/mid 70's.

The MD-12-No not the proto A380, but the stretched MD-11, presumably with newer engines and other enhancements, but really, it would have needed to be in service not long after the basic MD-11.
A tough call for MDD then.

The Hawker Hunter was perhaps the best looking, certainly near to the ultimate transonic fighter.
Stupid then that the RAF showed no interest in the 'thin wing' Mach 1.3 version, the first of a planned series of performance/weapon system enhancements.
Huge export potential, following on from the success of the Hunter.

In 1946/7, Miles in the UK, were near to completing the M-52. A jet powered aircraft to break the sound barrier.
In many ways similar to the Bell X-1, but it's jet propulsion meant no launching from another aircraft.
A lack of government support denied legendary Naval and Test Pilot Eric Brown, the chance to be the first supersonic pilot.

The BAC Lightning was a well loved aircraft, silly then that the proposed P.8 version never flew.
Area ruling of the rear fuselage, allowed undercarriage retraction into that area, thus freeing the wings for more fuel, more weapon plyons.

Avro RJX-(The 1991/2 proposals, not the version cancelled in 2001). Swapping the four engines for two new RR/BMW powerplants, with other enhancements and fuselage length choices, could well have given BAe a powerful presence in the emerging RJ market-from 1997 onwards.
Had BAe showed any real commitment to this area.

Gnat Mk.2 and Mk.5-Supersonic versions of the light fighter, the Mk.5 with twin engines and even better performance.
Might well have given the F-5 a run for it's money.

The Original Trident-The initial larger, Medway powered version, until major customer BEA had a brain fart and forced HS to build a smaller Spey version, unattractive to all outside BEA, and BEA themselves later on.
With Medway built-a prospect of much more development of the BAC 1-11.
Perhaps culminating in a CFM-56 BAC 1-11-800, to rival the MD-80.

P.1181-Bascially a swept wing version of the Royal Navies Sea Hawk fighter, the P.1181 could have been in service the same time as the Sea Hawk, with much better exports and RAF service too.
Just in time to engage Mig-15's over the Yalu River region in Korea.

Finally, for now, this;
http://www.concordesst.com/concordeb.html
 
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http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/sukhoi/t/4/images/t4_2.jpg
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:14 am

The TSR-2. My Dad built them

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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 23):
The TSR-2. My Dad built them

That's a really interesting looking design. What was it used for, bombing, recon, etc.?
 
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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:53 pm

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 24):
Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 23):
The TSR-2. My Dad built them

That's a really interesting looking design. What was it used for, bombing, recon, etc.?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSR-2

--> primarily a nuclear bomber with recon ability
Quite an amount of experience earned by designing/flying the TSR-2 was made good use of when designing Concorde !
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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:47 pm

found this on the net.

The McDonnell Douglas MD-12 was a design study undertaken by the McDonnell Douglas company in the 1990s. Initially it was to be a stretched, higher capacity version of the trijet MD-11. The design then grew into a much larger aircraft with 4 engines and two passenger decks extending the length of the fuselage, and was announced in April 1992. This was similar in concept to the future Airbus A380 and Boeing NLA, and would have been larger than the Boeing 747. Despite aggressive marketing, especially in the aviation press, no orders were placed for the aircraft, and it was quietly forgotten after the 1997 merger between McDonnell Douglas and Boeing.
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:52 pm

Excellent Wiki link, HT.
Cosec59, like your dad, some of my former colleagues in BA Concorde Engineering, were ex BAC, some from the TSR.2
The bitterness understandably lingers.
But, the rather irrational cancellation in 1965, has long led to suspicions that the LBJ White House, put pressure on the UK, linked to economic issues, for the cancellation of several high tech national projects.
TSR.2, P.1154 and Concorde.

Concorde, being half French, was kept since the government were trying to wear down CDG's opposition to UK EEC (now EU) entry, having said 'non' already once before.
Plus the costs of unilaterally canceling could be as much as carrying on.

P.1154, well this over ambitious, large, complex, supersonic VSTOL combat aircraft, was trying to 'do a JSF' nearly 40 years before this new combat aircraft.
The Navy had already backed out and ordered F-4's.
Wise to axe it and concentrate on the much more practical, affordable, plain do-able technically and operationally, Harrier aircraft.

We'd never had sold the more complex, more expensive, more difficult, more like the size and performance of rival US machines, P.1154 to the US Marines, (the AV-8A's, over a 100 of them, were UK built, unlike the later MDD/BAe AV-8B).

TSR.2, now flying, seemed safe, despite years of wrangling.
The Chief Of Defence Staff in the early 60's, Royal family relative Lord Mountbatten, was bitterly opposed to TSR.2.
He saw it as undermining support for a new, large, expensive class of 55,000 ton CVA aircraft carriers.
He would even, in public, put down 5 pictures of the new Naval strike aircraft, the buccaneer, then a single TSR.2 drawing.
Commenting that they would each cost the same.
To be fair, he had a point.

Less public was his trip to Australia in 1963, to put them off getting involved with TSR.2 industrially, as a precursor to the RAAF buying it.
Telling the Australians that TSR.2 was bound to be axed, they went out and brought F-111's, suffering long delays and cost escalation, probably worse than TSR.2 might have had.

LBJ had a poor relationship with Wilson, despite LBJ in many ways being as close politically to a then moderate Labour PM, as a US President could ever be.
Some was poor personal chemistry, Wilson's refusal to send UK troops to Vietnam as well, though the UK never opposed the US diplomatic on this issue.
Wilson had found, to his cost, on taking power in 1964, that when the classified treasury books were opened to him on taking power, the situation was much worse than they had anticipated.

The offer from a perhaps suddenly more conciliatory LBJ, (who was now alarmed at the prospect of UK forces leaving SE Asia way too fast, what with all the issues he had out there), must have been tempting.
Economic aid, a new RAF strike aircraft much cheaper than TSR.2, hell it was even a product of LBJ's home state, so everyone was pleased, except BAC workers of course.

When F-111 costs rose sharply, coupled with a still poor economic outlook, F-111 too was axed.
The RAF got the aircraft they should have ordered a decade before, instead of ever starting the TSR.2 project, the Buccaneer.
The Navy had spare ones, with more to come, plus some new production.
However, being seen as an interim type, (now Tornado was coming), an across the board avionic update was only instead piece-meal work over the years, adding new weapons, ECM, radios, etc.

In the end, much of what TSR.2 was supposed to do, was realized by a multi national project (so less likely to be cancelled, much more affordable, with production for several large airforces not just the RAF), the Tornado.

Great though the TSR.2 looked, would we have sold them elsewhere in NATO?
Very doubtful, just too expensive, elsewhere too, Australia going for F-111 was a serious blow.
We built over 900 Tornados, including over 120 to Saudi, TSR.2 production would not likely have been a 10th of the Tornado's.
Which one, in the long term, was really better for UK industry?
 
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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:25 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 27):

Many Thanks for the very comprehensive insight of history in that case !
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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:17 pm

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 14):
XB-70 Walkyrie.

The XB-70 has a bit of legacy to it. When the Soviet Union saw the XB-70 as a threat, they built a fighter that could catch it; the MiG-25 Foxbat. The US saw the Foxbat as a threat and built a spyplane that could outrun it; the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird.

The way I see it, these two fine aircraft owe their lives to the XB-70 Valkyrie.

And whatever happened to that super-secret USAF plane, the Aurora?
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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 29):
And whatever happened to that super-secret USAF plane, the Aurora?

Why do you think the SR-71's were retired? Hmmm?  stirthepot 

Anyway, my vote is for the F-20 Tigershark. Even Chuck Yeager thought it was one of the best aircraft he'd ever flown.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:12 pm

I don't know how good the plane was, but I have always admired the Avro Jetliner:
http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/manatee/272/jetliner.html
http://www.airventure.de/historypics/avro_jetliner.jpg

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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting Fanofjets (Reply 31):
I don't know how good the plane was, but I have always admired the Avro Jetliner:

I wonder how safe this design would have been. With the engines in the wings a engine fire would be a VERY scary situation!
 
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:24 am

For me definitely the Sonic Cruiser, which was to be the replacement for the Concorde. Too bad Boeing never produced it.
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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting EHHO (Reply 13):
Boeings 747-500 and 747-600 come to mind..

How are these different to the 747-8?

Quoting EHHO (Reply 13):
And what about this beauty:

Practicality wins out over beauty unfortunately.

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 33):
For me definitely the Sonic Cruiser, which was to be the replacement for the Concorde.

Uhh...not quite. The Sonic Cruiser was designed to cruise at mach .97 (or thereabouts). Whereas Concord cruised at mach 2. Also the Sonic Cruiser would carry many more passengers than Concord did. The Sonic Cruiser was a step in the direction of Concord's replacement but not the replacement for Concord itself.

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Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 34):
How are these different to the 747-8?

The -500 was slightly larger than the -8. 460 passengers. The -600 was even bigger seating 530 or so passengers. The range of the -500 was advertised at over 10,000 nm but I forget what the range of the -600 was.
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:01 pm

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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:12 am

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 29):
When the Soviet Union saw the XB-70 as a threat, they built a fighter that could catch it; the MiG-25 Foxbat. The US saw the Foxbat as a threat and built a spyplane that could outrun it; the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird.

A-12 predecessor to SR-71 design started 1958, contract 1959, first flew 1962
SR-71 first flew December 1964
XB-70 contract issued 1958, first flew Sept 1964
MiG-25 design started 1959, first flew March 1964
 
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I agree with the Dornier 728JET. I loved that thing.


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Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:32 am

I have a collection of photos of "paper airplanes," including some early double deckers (aside from the Princess already mentioned). I have posted them on Webshots, under my community name, dlberek

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RE: What Was The Best Aircraft Never Put In Produc

Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 27):
But, the rather irrational cancellation in 1965, has long led to suspicions that the LBJ White House, put pressure on the UK, linked to economic issues, for the cancellation of several high tech national projects.

Smells a little AVRO ARROW-ish: 1965=1959, LBJ White House= DDE White House, UK=Canada.

I would like to have seen Lockheed go ahead with the L1011-600 BiStar. Lockheed had proven themselves as very capable commercial a/c makers. The TriStar being far ahead of it's time. I truely believe that the commercial aircraft environment would be different if they hadn't backed out.

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