b52murph
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Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:58 am

I've seen similar polls on the site, most of them old (2004 or earlier) but none based on three factors so here goes...

3 Factors
1. Terminal Area
2. Runway/flightline layout
3. Ease of connections

...and the worst are (IMHO) from bad to baddest:

5. MSP (gotta love arriving at the end of the Red concourse and connecting to the far end of the blue concourse...center section is nice, but you have to plan a long connection just to be able to spend time there)

4. LGA (not designed for connections [try to tell that to US], runways only 7,000 ft long, frequent ground delays)

3. PHL (was somewhat nicer than a dump, but terminal area has deteriorated; delays and miserable runway layout are another matter [9L/9R way too close together])

2. BOS (At least they are finally almost finished construction on Terminal E[didn't that start in the `80s?], now if MASSPORT will just close/relocate 33R/15L to the northeast to allow for 1 mile separation and build a parallel 10,000 ft runway )

1. EWR (My *pleasure* to fly from there on Independence last July. Misearble arriving and parking experience, lowsy terminal experience, and runways that are current as of 1962)

Your opinions  Wink
 
IAHFLYR
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting B52murph (Thread starter):
to allow for 1 mile separation and build a parallel 10,000 ft runway

Don't need a mile.....4,300' centerline separation will allow for independent operations in all type of weather short of thunderstorms on the finals!

My selection is SFO even though I love the airport and location! Lets land on the 28's if we can simultaneously with weather cooperating, depart the 1's between the landers on the crossing 28's, then have to fight the elevator to the above ground train for the rental car center unless you know the way through the international terminal.....but hey at least there is an In-N-Out burger down the road 1 exit south from the airport. The ATC kids do a grand job making that all work.
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:49 am

The airtrain in SFO was a pain but the rat maze trying to get from the train into Terminal 2 for a DL flight was ridiculous. But having the In-N-Out Burger close by makes it all seem a little bit worthwhile despite the craziness with ATC.

PHL is a dump and it's the biggest pain in the butt to get from I-95 to the rental car return followed by the jaunt through southern PA to get back to the terminal. I've walked through the garage a few times and it was quicker than the bus.

BOS is a great example of how not to plan an airport. Nevermind the runways and their problems. I go nuts just trying to return the rental car or leave the airport with the moronic traffic flow patterns they have there. The DL terminal is nice though a bit underutilized.

I kind of like EWR so I won't complain too much there.

It's been a while since I flew in MIA but I remember it being a dump as well and a nightmare to get through.

While BWI is a pretty good airport even though they have been working on that central parking deck for 15 years I hate the new rental car facility. It takes 30 minutes to get there and 30 minutes to get back to the terminal. If anything ever asked for light rail this one is it.
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:14 pm

I have connected a couple of times from an AA domestic to an AA international in Miami. The distance was incredible. The found the international section to have a damp mold smell. There were few concessions and the seating inadequate for the number of passengers.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 3):
I have connected a couple of times from an AA domestic to an AA international in Miami. The distance was incredible. The found the international section to have a damp mold smell. There were few concessions and the seating inadequate for the number of passengers.

All of that will be changing soon once all of the new councourse D is finished. No more walking because there will be a overhead monorail and the part of D that is already open is great! Yes parts of MIA is a dump. And the mold smell well thats how many older buildings in South Florida Smell. The Humidity. Also most likely contruction going on too. MIA will soon not be placed on this list.  Smile I hope.
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting B52murph (Thread starter):
EWR (My *pleasure* to fly from there on Independence last July. Misearble arriving and parking experience, lowsy terminal experience, and runways that are current as of 1962)

I have to respectfully disagree here. There are plenty of far, far worse airports in the world than EWR. I'm guessing that you flew through Terminal A, which granted, is not too appealing, but if you've ever taken a walk through CO's Terminal C - what a difference! Furthermore, the airport is directly connected to Manhattan through the AirTrain link - that's more than can be said as far as city connections go at many US airports.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:51 am

I've never liked the AA terminal at JFK...
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 2):
BOS is a great example of how not to plan an airport

Nothing about BOS was ever really planned. The airport was constantly just upgraded from the original dirt and grass strips build in the early days of the 20th century. It's not like a modern airport that is designed from the ground up to be as effecient as possible. I believe Terminal E is done now though. The only major construction project currently underway is the central parking and the access roads. Although I think Massport might be doing something with the runways too; nothing listed on the website though.

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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:21 pm

I've stopped flying out of BOS to go home. It's such a stressful place to fly out of. I just take the train down to PVD. Save a bunch of money flying Southwest  Smile
 
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:58 pm

I used to do that back when PVD was just emerging, but then everyone else in New England discovered how easy it was to get in and out of there so it suddenly became just as busy as BOS (not really but it seemed like that), so I said forget and now I'm back at BOS. It might be bigger and busier, but it's closer to my home and now that the Big Dig is drawing to a close it's a heck of a lot easier to access the airport than it used to be. I know Logan has some serious drawbacks, but I still like it; everything about New England is difficult, we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves up here if things were designed well and like were "easy"!
 
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:09 am

I would disagree with MSP. With all the new remodeling they have done, connections are much easier. They have added an in terminal train and a moving walk way that cuts the airport in half! I went to college there and from those days MSP is MUCH BETTER!

One time I was flying through North Dakota. I had to stop and switch from United to NW in Bismarck. It was a 3 hour stop. My goodness me! There is nothing in Bismarck! NOTHING! Now that was an awful airport.

I also do not like DFW. I hate that in order to transfer you have to take those trains. Both times I connected there the trains broke down and caused me to miss my connection!

I just flew CO first time through EWR, I rather thought it was a nice place!

I also do not like MEM. It seems pretty run down and dirty. The old DTW was the same way!
 
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:31 am

I would say the older parts of HOU are pretty bad especially the baggage claim and the AE/AA and DL concourse. WN has a really nice check in area and their new concourse appears nice although I've never traveled to HOU on WN.

I'm from the NYC area and have to agree that concourses A-D are in pretty bad shape. I often wonder what first time visitors to LGA think when they walk into a concourse and the ceiling is only six inches above their head and there are buckets catching the water leaking from the roof.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:48 am

DTW, DEN, IAD, and IAD....can you get terminals farther apart?
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:48 am

Quoting B52murph (Thread starter):

5. MSP (gotta love arriving at the end of the Red concourse and connecting to the far end of the blue concourse...center section is nice, but you have to plan a long connection just to be able to spend time there)

You apparently have not been there in a long time since it has not been Red, Green, Blue, Gold etc terminals in YEARS!

Quoting Christiaan (Reply 12):
DTW, DEN, IAD, and IAD....can you get terminals farther apart?

DTW, one mile long terminal and easy to get to the concourses B and C?
 
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:21 am

The worst airport facility, until the end of February, has to be BFL.

A building that pre-dates WWII, haphazard additions, and a luggage carousel that was only added in the mid-1980's. No jet bridges, no gates - just a "make-do" attitude.

This should all change with the completion of the new William Thomas terminal, which is absolutely amazing!! Best of all - ROOM FOR FUTURE GROWTH!! Something Bakersfield in general has never planned for...
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:05 am

I think like some others here i would only disagree with EWR, or at least the CO part. Connections there aren't bad and i really like how it is set up. I always thought CO did a great job with EWR. One of my favorire airports.
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RE: Worst Airports In US (not Spotting Related)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:24 pm

In general terms MIA. But also hate Ronald Reagan at Washington DC. [Great favour to the memory of the former President].
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