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Isn't Lufthansa In Need Of A New Livery?

Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:23 am

Seeing more and more famous airlines changing their colors these days I wonder why Lufthansa isn't doing anything. Looking at Thai, Maersk/Sterling, Quatar, PIA, JAL, Condor and many many more Lufthansa's livery starts looking old and boring. I know that this is the way LH wants to show it's STEADY profession of service and professionally but they can go on with this if they just change their livery slightly. Changes have been made in the passenger cabin as well as in the airport lounges. The colors are still representative enough. Maybe it's an idea to try the beloved "Wellblech-design" (skin layout copied of the Junkers Ju 52-3m) on one of their jets. I don't mean to replace the airframe but to try out some different shades of silver on it. Airbrush design could make it look like having rills as the Ju 52 has. The football noses and WM2006 logos are nice improvements and welcome to most of us. But they show that since many years no changes have been made. Designing lounges, cabins and even hangars in that special design, maybe another paint would make it look complete. What do you think? many StarAlliance partners changed their look in th recent years.
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RE: Isn't Lufthansa In Need Of A New Livery?

Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:25 am

There's no real need to change a livery just for change sake. Qantas have had their livery for 21 years now and no-one seems to ask for it to change. If a livery is timeless enough, there is no need to change it. AA is another airline that springs to mind.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:29 am

I too believe that Lufthansa do not need to change their livery. Although I don't like it, and I think it is boring- it is timeless and tus there is no need to change.

Also, the current livery is simple and professional which highlights those qualities in the airline itself.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:33 am

AA is realy amazing! There aren't many airlines with those blank polished jets. Air Canada tried it but didn't realize it to the whole fleet. JAL Cargo has nice freighters though.

Sure the livery is somehow timeless. But from time to time they made small improvements. Just have a look at the bird on the tail. It has become thicker.

They never ever should change their colors!!! I was so sad looking at the new Condor livery! Where is this sunny yellow? That made everyone thinking of holidays. The blue should remind of blue sea and blue sky. Nice thought. But that classic and unique color is not replaceable...
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:34 am

I think they should go to a livery like this again! With a bit more colour on the fuselage - but then again, having just a white fuselage is cheaper!


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Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 4):
I think they should go to a livery like this again! With a bit more colour on the fuselage - but then again, having just a white fuselage is cheaper!

Actually, there isn't a huge difference in the variety of paint on that fuselage and what they have right now. It is just different execution. I for one think that the current LH scheme is really the best "Euro White" scheme in that they excecuted it in just the right way and used both color and naming to flesh out the scheme.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:43 am

One of the things that I think the great world airlines have is a timeless look. Lufthansa definitely qualifies as one of the greats. While their livery is not one that jumps out at you it is a wonderfully classy design that never gets confused with someone else. I personally think they should leave it alone. Change for change sake is not needed.

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Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 4):
With a bit more colour on the fuselage - but then again, having just a white fuselage is cheaper!

Is it really cheaper??? Look at Air France. Their jets look like they don't want to pay for the cleaning. Germanwings has a good color to hide dirt.

Anyway. somehow it makes me a bit proud that the LH livery is beloved all over the world.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Actually, there isn't a huge difference in the variety of paint on that fuselage and what they have right now



Quoting Lufthansi (Reply 7):
Is it really cheaper??? Look at Air France. Their jets look like they don't want to pay for the cleaning. Germanwings has a good color to hide dirt.

If you just have one or two colours on your aircraft, it will bring down the painting times due to lower complexity. Not having to mask off complex shapes (curves etc) and paint them at different times. And time is money!


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Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 8):
If you just have one or two colours on your aircraft, it will bring down the painting times due to lower complexity. Not having to mask off complex shapes (curves etc) and paint them at different times. And time is money!

Yes, I know this, but Lufthansa's scheme actually has some subtlties that aren't as simple as at first glance.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Yes, I know this, but Lufthansa's scheme actually has some subtlties that aren't as simple as at first glance.

There is actually a great programme done by the "Sendung mit der Maus" which follows an LH A321 through from first metal to delivery (including paint shop). It might be a kids TV programme but is very well done. I believe this aircraft has still got the "Maus" on it.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:43 am

No. Simple answer  Wink
It maybe somewhat old, but the simple livery (which is not so simple on second glance as N1120A already said) is still classy and modern. Lufthansa is the precursor in terms of 'eurowhite'.  Smile
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting Lufthansi (Thread starter):
The football noses and WM2006 logos are nice improvements and welcome to most of us

But we are not the ones who pay LH's bills over the year....

Second the general answer you got here...leave it as it is.

Rumors said that the A-380 at the ILA Berlin will wear the new LH colors....probably we only have to wait two weeks. I personally doubt that.

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Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:11 am

Why? I think LH has the classiest livery of any European carrier. The only liveries to me that are classier are AA, DL, UA, and TW's last scheme.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
Qantas have had their livery for 21 years now and no-one seems to ask for it to change.

Well, Qantas has re-designed a little bit of the current livery. You can see new fonts in "The spirit of Australia" and "Longreach". Also, Qantas aircraft have large Qantas logos on their engines.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:31 am

Ever heard the saying "aint broken dont bother fixing it'! I personally love the Lufthansa livery,its modern,clean lines & shows the professionallism of the carrier....Its unique!

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Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:00 am

More than a change of livery they need to spend money on PTVs in Y.
Their Economy Class is probably the WORST existing one for long haul flights.
Following many complaints, my company has stopped selling Y seats on LH. As simple as that. Even with a free ticket, I wouldn't seat in a 340 or 747 for 11 hours from the West Coast to Europe in LH Y!!!! Did it once and these screens remimded me of my first ever Pan Am flight when I was a kid...(not even talking about the seat comfort, that's another story)
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:34 am

Just don't make the mistake BA made in the early to mid 90's, when the tail of each of their jets looked different! It was impossible to identify a BA plane with a simple glance -- each one was unique...

I personally liked the design they had before that (ie the design from the 1980's), and I guess the current one is OK, too... but that intermediate "design" was awful.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 4):
I think they should go to a livery like this again! With a bit more colour on the fuselage - but then again, having just a white fuselage is cheaper!

Too many airlines think inside the CHEAP BOX.. I say yes...They should go back to the old colours.....Screw this All White business....It just plain sucks!!!!!!!

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Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:35 pm

Personally I think that the BA World Tails were amazing !!!
It wasn't difficult to see that it was BA ...... it was only the tails that were different. It was a brilliant marketing idea that got trashed thanks to Sir RB sticking his nose into other peoples biz as usual !
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:36 pm

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 14):
You can see new fonts in "The spirit of Australia" and "Longreach". Also, Qantas aircraft have large Qantas logos on their engines.

Didn't they used to say "The Australian Airline" and then changed to "The Spirit of Australia"?
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting Aifos (Reply 16):
More than a change of livery they need to spend money on PTVs in Y.
Their Economy Class is probably the WORST existing one for long haul flights.

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If LH added the PTV's they'd be my favorite airline, hard seats and all. No need to change the livery, it's classic, just add the bloody PTV's in Y!
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:51 pm

Quoting Lufthansi (Thread starter):
Isn't Lufthansa In Need Of A New Livery?

No. What good is, is good. However a light change or improvement doesn't harm any airline.

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Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:58 pm

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 10):
There is actually a great programme done by the "Sendung mit der Maus" which follows an LH A321 through from first metal to delivery (including paint shop). It might be a kids TV programme but is very well done. I believe this aircraft has still got the "Maus" on it.

That was D-AIRY, aka "Flensburg". Judging from the most recent pictures in the database, it does still have the "Maus"-Stickers.

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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 20):
Didn't they used to say "The Australian Airline" and then changed to "The Spirit of Australia"?

I believe they did. There might still be a few aircraft which still have "The Australian Airline" titles left, I only know of Partnership (VH-OGN) still having them.

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Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 23):

That was D-AIRY, aka "Flensburg". Judging from the most recent pictures in the database, it does still have the "Maus"-Stickers.

yes, I was on D-AIRY this week.

There was an exhibition about the LH design last year at a Museum in Frankfurt and I had the luck to get the guided tour conducted by the Museum Curator who is also a design professor. The exhibition covered the 50 years history of LH and showed the evolution of the design over the 50 years.

It is not only the aircraft livery, it is everything from the font of the letters, which is a trade marked and used only by LH, the stationary, the design of the cutlery, uniforms lounge furniture etc . The whole corporate identity is a well designed unit and the aircraft livery is only the most visible part of it. Changing this would mean going throughout the whole aviation concern, which would cost a hell of a lot of money and which would be quite contrary to the main task the company has today and that is: saving a 10 digit amount every year.

The LH design is not only classic, it is also aesthetic. There may be some tiny changes from time to time but we will not see a whole different scheme. It has been tried with yellow birds some 15 years ago or so and it looked awful. Rebranding Condor was a disaster and I would not be surprised to see the old livery back on those planes but redesigning Lufthansa? No, there is simply no need for that.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:37 pm

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Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:50 pm

I find the LH livery somewhat boring, yet it's simplicity doesn't hurt the eyes and does serve it's purpose. A simple change, such as a modification on the tail design or titles could be refreshing. Who knows, maybe when the A380 comes on line with LH, we might be in for a small surprise.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:04 pm

Quoting Lredlefsen (Reply 17):

i disagree completely i think that the BA world designs were the cleverest bit of thinking in world aviation recognition, but obviously i was in a minority. i wish they would do something else along the same theme.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:25 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 24):
Rebranding Condor was a disaster and I would not be surprised to see the old livery back on those planes

The rebranding was a disaster, granted, but perhaps the TCX colourscheme can be adapted a bit once Condor is back under full control by LH. The titles could stay like they are (keep the TCX font and billboard style), just put back some yellow and the Condor on the tail and nose, like on some of the aircraft still flying in the interim colours.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:09 pm

I thought LH were changing the inside of their planes too, with new economy seating.... think there was a picture of it on here a few weeks back.

There are a number of new airlines starting to surfact now thugh with more creative liveries and less of the totally white fuselage breed.

I agree with LTU932 about the TCX colours - would be nice to see at least a bit of yellow (in the right places) back on the Condor fleet. At least you can tell the difference between the UK and German ones then at airports. With the mass livery of the TUI group, all the airlines still have their own Names, but the livery and logo are common.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:10 pm

Quoting Lufthansi (Thread starter):
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It is QATAR AIRWAYS not Quatar.

Quoting Aifos (Reply 16):
More than a change of livery they need to spend money on PTVs in Y.
Their Economy Class is probably the WORST existing one for long haul flights.
Following many complaints, my company has stopped selling Y seats on LH. As simple as that. Even with a free ticket, I wouldn't seat in a 340 or 747 for 11 hours from the West Coast to Europe in LH Y!!!! Did it once and these screens remimded me of my first ever Pan Am flight when I was a kid...(not even talking about the seat comfort, that's another story)

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Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:29 pm

Quoting ReverseThrust (Reply 29):
At least you can tell the difference between the UK and German ones then at airports.

But it tends to be a bit more difficult when trying to tell the difference between TCX UK and TCX Belgium.  Wink

Quoting Aifos (Reply 16):
More than a change of livery they need to spend money on PTVs in Y.
Their Economy Class is probably the WORST existing one for long haul flights.

Please don't start a war on why LH (or IB for that matter) doesn't have PTVs in Y.  Yeah sure You want something worse? Fly NM and one of their A332s.

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Quoting Lredlefsen (Reply 17):
Just don't make the mistake BA made in the early to mid 90's, when the tail of each of their jets looked different! It was impossible to identify a BA plane with a simple glance -- each one was unique...

I'm sure LH won't make that mistake and will keep the good old Crane on the tail as it is, if they ever change their livery.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:52 pm

Well I just though about my last years at Lh. They changed a lot but didn't touch their livery. Just wanted to know how the rest of the world thinks about it. I like your comments!

Quoting A3xx900 (Reply 11):
Lufthansa is the precursor in terms of 'eurowhite'.



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 13):
I think LH has the classiest livery of any European carrier.



Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
I personally love the Lufthansa livery,its modern,clean lines & shows the professionallism of the carrier....Its unique!



Quoting B707Stu (Reply 21):
No need to change the livery, it's classic



Quoting OwlEye (Reply 22):
What good is, is good.



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 24):
The LH design is not only classic, it is also aesthetic.



Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 25):
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:06 pm

No need to change the livery just to please some bored spotters.  Wink

It is still clean, modern, no-nonsense and thus perfectly communicates the LH credo.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 33):
It is still clean, modern, no-nonsense and thus perfectly communicates the LH credo.

Indeed I agree. Though their previous colours also looked very neat, especially with the blue cheatline and the coat of arms of the state/city/town the aircraft was named after. That being said, LH should stick to their current colourscheme.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:17 pm

i think there will be a new livery when the A380 enters the fleet. from early pictures and aircraft models, the A380 seems to have white engines (iso grey).

how's that for a change?
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:52 pm

Quoting ReverseThrust (Reply 29):
I agree with LTU932 about the TCX colours - would be nice to see at least a bit of yellow (in the right places) back on the Condor fleet

Guess this isn't the right place  Wink


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Mon May 01, 2006 12:35 am

Kinda boring, but there is nothing bad about it?

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Mon May 01, 2006 12:41 am

They should never, ever, change that livery. It is one of the few liveries in the world that looks equally good on all their aircraft.

It's a s modern today as it was when they first introduced it.
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Mon May 01, 2006 2:48 am

yes they need to get a new scheme. but im hoping a for an original paint scheme. something thats one of a kinda. EX(AA)
 
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Mon May 01, 2006 2:48 am

yes they need to get a new scheme. but im hoping a for an original paint scheme. something thats one of a kind. EX(AA) ups, thai have the same paint scheme pratically but just different colors. thats something i dont want to see.
 
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Mon May 01, 2006 3:33 am

It follows the punchline / motto that works for lots of industries: KISS. For those who don't know, that means Keep It Simple, Stupid. Lufthansa's livery makes each of their planes look similar and there are no differences in the planes. KLM's livery is nice but it looks different on many of the planes.
 
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Mon May 01, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Lufthansi (Thread starter):
Isn't Lufthansa In Need Of A New Livery?

There is certain changes Lufthansa needs far more desperately than a new livery...

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RE: Isn't Lufthansa In Need Of A New Livery?

Mon May 01, 2006 7:15 am

LH is a very conservative, somehow boring airline. I doubt that they will change their livery in a longer turn. Along with changing their image, they would also have to upgrade their ecomomy product. which will not happen
shortly.

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Mon May 01, 2006 5:14 pm

Quoting DALelite (Reply 44):
they would also have to upgrade their ecomomy product. which will not happen
shortly.

which is exactly what LH will do with the introduction of the A380.
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Mon May 01, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting Aifos (Reply 16):
More than a change of livery they need to spend money on PTVs in Y.
Their Economy Class is probably the WORST existing one for long haul flights.
Following many complaints, my company has stopped selling Y seats on LH. As simple as that. Even with a free ticket, I wouldn't seat in a 340 or 747 for 11 hours from the West Coast to Europe in LH Y!!!! Did it once and these screens remimded me of my first ever Pan Am flight when I was a kid...(not even talking about the seat comfort, that's another story)



Quoting DALelite (Reply 44):
LH is a very conservative, somehow boring airline. I doubt that they will change their livery in a longer turn. Along with changing their image, they would also have to upgrade their ecomomy product. which will not happen
shortly.

Flew LH to Germany last week, I actually had a pretty good impression of them. While they are certainly not SQ, they offer a pretty decent product. I found their cabin crew professional on the whole (especially compared to VS, whose crews while generally good, sometimes do have a bit of an attitude, with LH, there is a greater level of consistency in service levels) and despite some complaints on their seats, I found them comfortable enough. I have always liked their image though, very clean cut and modern and very consistent (I think they put in a lot of thought into the design of their product, even though some may find their image sterile and boring), feels very LH and German all throughout.
 
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RE: Isn't Lufthansa In Need Of A New Livery?

Tue May 02, 2006 1:02 am

LH current livery is similar to AC 1994-2005 livery - all white fuselage with logo or design on tail.

Maybe LH should follow AC by painting the fuselage light or turqoise blue.  scratchchin 
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RE: Isn't Lufthansa In Need Of A New Livery?

Tue May 02, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 47):
LH current livery is similar to AC 1994-2005 livery - all white fuselage with logo or design on tail.

It isn't all white, you should look again.

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 47):
Maybe LH should follow AC by painting the fuselage light or turqoise blue.

Because that connotes "Germany" or "Lufthansa" how?
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RE: Isn't Lufthansa In Need Of A New Livery?

Thu May 11, 2006 6:16 am

Study I found on the internet (www.liladesign.com):

http://www.liladesign.com/afbeeldingen/Lufthansa-re-design.gif

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