glennpower
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AF Or KLM To GRU/GIG

Sat May 13, 2006 11:32 pm

Please can anybody give advice with regards best buissness to GRU/GIG with either AF or KLM.

I have some flying blue points that i would like to use next december/january,and i woiuld like advice on best C class product available,AF 777s,332s or KL 777s.

Do AF have there new C class product available !.

Any advice greatly appreciated.

Also have the possibility to use AZ award.

Thanks
 
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RE: AF Or KLM To GRU/GIG

Sun May 14, 2006 12:07 am

In Decemeber/January...

GRU - Air France A330-200 & B777-300ER
GRU - KLM B777-200ER
GIG - Air France B747-400

Personaly I would choose AF on the 777-300ER to GRU

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I'm not sure if the new classes will feature on the 744 to GIG, they do on the 77W to GRU

I think that AF provides a better Business class seat than KLM does  Smile

I personaly prefer AF to KL

Rob!

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glennpower
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RE: AF Or KLM To GRU/GIG

Sun May 14, 2006 9:09 pm

Rob,

Thanks for your reply,i was leaning to taking AF 777-300ER,as it has the new seats,i think that the 747 service to gig has the old stlye seats.

Thanks again.

Glenn.
 
nicolasdec
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RE: AF Or KLM To GRU/GIG

Fri May 19, 2006 5:36 am

hey glennpower,eu so do brasil tbm(im also from brazil) and i recnetly flew on all the aircrafts you've asked about.
1st of all the AF flight on a 777 is not a 300 its a 200 which doesnt have the new seats (naum gostei nem um pouco da cadeira)
2nd the af A330 does have the new seats and they are awesome
and i don't suggest you fly KLM because the seats are weird but still comfortble but the service isnt the best.
P.S if u get on Alitalia i liked it the best,and it was the best flight ive ever had to europe (bussiness class of course)
Nicolas
 
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RE: AF Or KLM To GRU/GIG

Fri May 19, 2006 8:59 pm

Quoting Nicolasdec (Reply 3):
1st of all the AF flight on a 777 is not a 300 its a 200 which doesnt have the new seats

Incorrect, he wants to go in December/January!

Paris Charles De Gaulle - Sao Paulo Guarulhos Int'l
AF454
Depart: 23:15
Arrive: 07:55 +1
Days: Daily
Aircraft: 77W

Sao Paulo Guarulhos Int'l - Paris Charles De Gaulle
AF455
Depart: 18:35
Arrive: 08:45 +1
Days: Daily
Aircraft: 77W

Rob!  wave 
 
Checo77
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RE: AF Or KLM To GRU/GIG

Sat May 20, 2006 4:00 am

Take KLM. Those 772s are great. There has been a lot of complains about the seats, but they are very good. Nothing to worry about.
Plus, the service KLM offers is 450% better than AF.
Choose the best and have a wonderfull trip.
Adam
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FlySSC
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RE: AF Or KLM To GRU/GIG

Thu May 25, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting Glennpower (Reply 2):
i think that the 747 service to gig has the old stlye seats.

THEY DO !!! The B744 used by AF on its daily CDG-GIG-CDG is configured with 40J/393Y and the new interior, as well as the A332 and the (soon) B773ER to GRU.
 
Marambio
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RE: AF Or KLM To GRU/GIG

Mon May 29, 2006 11:25 pm

Sorry for my late reply, but it's only today I saw your thread.

I have flown KLM's World Business Class to and from Sao Paulo quite a few times and I'd wholeheartedly recommend it. Especially now they are deploying the 777s on the route. The IFE is just amazing (one of the best I have seen), legroom is very good and the flight attendants do their best to make your flight more enjoyable. Food is neither great nor awful, just plain average, although dessert (especially their cakes!) are delicious. A hint: let the F/A recommend you the dessert. These people really know about sweets. The selection of wines is also pretty nice, yet the champagne they give out, without being bad, is not the best.

Air France I have only flown Economy (Tempo) and out of EZE. It was a really nice flight, but I have a certain suspicion the FAs won't be that nice if you speak English. You know, they're French  Wink. I'm trying Air France's L'Espace Affaires next July. We'll see then.

So, all in all, I think both airlines are great. But, at least for me, KLM is the way to go. Have an enjoyable flight.  Smile

Saludos,
Marambio
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RE: AF Or KLM To GRU/GIG

Mon May 29, 2006 11:32 pm

I haven't tried KLM Business Class, but I have tried their Economy class, quite a while back and I'm ready to say that they are among the best in the world.

I have tried L'Espace Affaires, though. The service is good, crew is attentive. Service gets done, but not with abundance. The seats are old, one of them would not recline - they didn't even cancel it, so I got that seat.
I agree with Marambio that some of the crews will not look happy to you if you speak to them in English, but they'll get their job done. Sometimes, they may treat you like a child.

All in all, Air France is good, catering is excellent - the crew is average (sometimes, my return trip for example - the first leg of the flight was EXCELLENT), the seats are not very good (777-200ER still get the old seats) but they get the job done.

But, I would take KLM anyday, as I have experienced them in cattle... err... sorry, Economy (Y) class.

Cheers! wave 
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LipeGIG
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RE: AF Or KLM To GRU/GIG

Wed May 31, 2006 10:29 am

Glen it depends on your final destination.

KLM is not so good for connections other than GIG and EZE (early night arival)

Considering AF (considering all are NEV):

1) If your final destination is SAO, try the 773 to GRU
2) If your final destination is RIO, try the 744 to GIG
3) In terms of connections: VIX, SSA, CNF, BSB: GIG Ohter: GRU

I never fly on a 744 so my trip to the World Cup will be on the 744 GIG-CDG-GIG.

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