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Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She"?

Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:38 pm

A short but vital question!
After reading a large number of posts I still don´t know. Both words are used to refer to an ac.
From my point of vue an ac always has some kind of personality (may it be bad, ugly, beautiful, sleek..... you name it), so using "it" when referring to an ac is terrible.
 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:46 pm

In English language it's traditionally "she", as that descended from ship names, which are always she. Maybe it's because only men operated first ships, then a/cs. Anyway, I am a girl and in my language is Boeing, Airbus atd masculinum, so I usually reffer the planes as "he".
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:47 pm

Its a she.

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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:52 pm

In French they are also referred to as "she". In Turkish we do not have any "he" or "she" or "it". We only have the word "o" which is used for "he" "she" and "it".

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Ben: I
Sen: You
O: He, She,It
Biz: We
Siz: You (Plural as in "Vous" in french)
Onlar: They
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:09 pm

"She" for your aircraft, "He" for anyone elses, and "It" for a target. I think.  biggrin 

"She" is the American English traditional usage, stemming from the incorporation of nautical terminology and custom into aviation operations in the early days of commercial aviation. Pan Am especially comes to mind.


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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:17 pm

I guess it really depends on the language -- l'avion (masculine -- he), das Flugzeug (neuter -- it), el avion (masculine -- he)
 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:24 pm

Though "She" seems to be widely used, I think the the 737, 747(sheer masculinity) and the 757 look more masculine than feminine.

On the other hand the 767 and the 777 have a pleasing, graceful look, and seem to be more feminine IMHO.

All airbus planes have a feminine touch(especially the A330-my favorite), except of course the A380, "the Hulk".

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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:52 pm

If it wasn't here then it was discussed in the German airliners.de. Whereas in German it is - das Flugzeug - but DIE Maschine, it is also DIE Boeing (fem) DER Airbus (masc) or DIE Fokker.

Airbus happens to be masculine because the Bus is. Put an air in front of the bus and it still is masculine. The ship - das Schiff - is always neut. but the ships name is alwys feminine - Die Hanseatic.

A little thing on the side - in some areas of Germany a woman is referred to in the local lingo as DAS Hilde.

When you know all that, it is quite easy......
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:02 pm

It depends.. it the aircraft is working fine and plowing through the sky like it should.. it's a "he"..

If it is broken down, stuck, or generally being a pain in the arse.. it's a "she"..

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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:05 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
It depends.. it the aircraft is working fine and plowing through the sky like it should.. it's a "he"..

If it is broken down, stuck, or generally being a pain in the arse.. it's a "she"..

Oh Gosh, Oh Gosh.. I'm just kidding but that was funny to ME!

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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:08 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
It depends.. it the aircraft is working fine and plowing through the sky like it should.. it's a "he"..

If it is broken down, stuck, or generally being a pain in the arse.. it's a "she"..

rotfl Oh Gosh, Oh Gosh.. I'm just kidding but that was funny to ME!

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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:08 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 3):
In French they are also referred to as "she".

Sorry, I made a mistake. Airplane "l'avion" is masculine in French so a "he".
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:08 pm

She.

747 queen of the skies

shes a lovely aircraft etc

comes from maritime days.
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:15 pm

I thought the 747 was the whale jet? I know if you call an American woman a whale, she is going to kill you. And then cuss you out. And then kill you again.. and she will hit you in your blow-hole.. and win in court! But maybe that's just Americans..  bomb 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:31 pm

Well, are we talking about technically or in the "normal language"? Technically, a language will either define an object, such as an airplane, as being of a specific gender. Some languages, such as Turkish and also Finish don't have gender-specific pronouns. Lots of Finish people find it hard and struggle with getting their pronouns right in English, because the Finish language doesn't have them. On the street, or among normal people in a talking situation, ofcourse language does weird things and you never know.
 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:32 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 13):
I thought the 747 was the whale jet? I know if you call an American woman a whale, she is going to kill you. And then cuss you out. And then kill you again.. and she will hit you in your blow-hole.. and win in court! But maybe that's just Americans..

No the 747 is the Jumbo Jet...
The A380 is known as the large oceangoing mammal...
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:22 pm

SHE, no doubt...  wink 



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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:24 pm

In Hebrew it's "He", even though ships are "she".
 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:35 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 3):
In French they are also referred to as "she"

 no 
In French, it's always "HE". "Plane" = "Avion" is masculin.
it's LE or UN Boeing 7xx, LE Concorde , etc ...

The only "feminin" aircraft in French is "Caravelle".
LA Caravelle ...
 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:23 pm

I was going to make a comment about female planes having cockpits, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it.
 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:45 pm

Although some planes do appear rather masculine, on the whole, I'd say 'she' when referring to an aeroplane.
The Boeing 737 - a 'he' perhaps, but a little 'he'. They're so short and fat - and kind of cute in a weird sort of way.
747 - such a graceful aeroplane, would have to be a she.
If the A380 is a she, it's the most ugly female I have ever encountered :p
I think, in English, notions of gracefulness and elegance, tend to have a feminine overtone. And most of the aeroplanes I see are both - so they're "she". As others have said, it's also descended from the days of ships, which are always she, - and the captain and first officer of an airliner, also from the ships.
The A380 is the ugliest aeroplane since the Armstrong Whitworth Argosy.

On the other hand, my car, named "Tank" is most definitely a he, far too beaten up (from crashes) and too chunky in shape, to be a female.
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:29 pm

I think it depends on the type
747s definitely a she - gracefully pregnant
A3 anything - definitely a he
Except for the A380 - that will have to be an it
 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:39 pm

In Spanish, airplane (avión) is refered to as "HE", but ship (nave) is a "SHE". However, a ship -boat in this case- can also be a "HE" (barco), but aircraft (aeronave) is a "SHE". Please, English speakers correct non-english speakers.
Confused enough!?
So it depends in which word you are using at the time.

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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:53 pm

Very interesting topic, especially with Raggi ad ERJ170 replies  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Well, being a french native speaker I'll say "he", and I keep the "he" when I speak english...
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):

In French, it's always "HE". "Plane" = "Avion" is masculin.
it's LE or UN Boeing 7xx, LE Concorde , etc ...

Excusez moi monsieur but I corrected myself later  Wink
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 24):
Excusez moi monsieur

No problem ... I wish just I could also speak Turkish ...  Wink
 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:40 am

I heard this explanation a long time ago: In English ships were called "she" as in the old times they used to be unreliable, unpredictable and lovable as the women. As we know, many aviation terms come from the history of maritime.
 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:10 am

looking at the shape of all aircrafts in general, i think theres no doubt that it should be a "HE".
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:28 am

Okay, I'm not addressing the correct usage in (any) language -- just personal taste here. When I was learning to spot jets as a kid, 727s, DC9s, and F28s were quite common. For me it was as simple as: T-tails are she's, and the upside-down T are he's. No specific reason. The 727 was the ultimate feminine for me. Obviously this system doesn't make for a very interesting world these days (in my child's mind world back then there had to be both).

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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:57 am

I think all people carrying machines are "she". Seems they are feminine in that they carry you around inside them and are hard working, just like women.
 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):
The only "feminin" aircraft in French is "Caravelle".
LA Caravelle ...

Correct. But it is linked to the name. "L'avion Caravelle" is masculin, while "La Caravelle" is feminine.
Similarly, the helicopter "Alouette" is feminine, while the "Dauphin" is masculin.
Purely linked to the name gender.
In those days, it was sounding a bit like "The Lady and the tramp", la Caravelle and le B707. Many Frenchmen were in love with the slender plane. Caravelle had to be feminine.
 
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting Zruda (Reply 1):
In English language it's traditionally "she", as that descended from ship names, which are always she.



Quoting Broocy (Reply 29):
I think all people carrying machines are "she". Seems they are feminine in that they carry you around inside them and are hard working, just like women.

That was my first instinct also, but if you read CVR and ATC transcripts, other aircraft are almost always referred to as "he"

A quick search on ASN provides examples of actual ATC transcripts ...

"06:08:34 Unknown No
06:08:35 LC2 Okay, we just had a seven thirty-seven land and blow up, he went up in flame, he's off the runway right now, two four left is closed
06:08:41 Unknown Is the right still open?
06:08:42 LC2 Yeah the right's still open"
from: http://aviation-safety.net/investiga...ion/cvr/transcripts/atc_us1493.php

"09.00:38 TWR PSA one eighty-two, Lindbergh tower, ah, traffic twelve o'clock one mile a Cessna
09.00:41 CAM-2 Flaps five
09.00:43 CAM-1 Is that the one we're looking at.
09.00:43 CAM-2 Yeah, but I don't see him now.
09.00:44 RDO-1 Okay, we had it there a minute ago.
09.00:47 TWR One eighty-two, roger.
09.00:50 RDO-1 I think he's pass(sed) off to our right.
09.00:51 TWR Yeah.
09.00:52 CAM-1 He was right over here a minute ago."
from: http://aviation-safety.net/investigation/cvr/transcripts/cvr_ps182.php

"2131:27 APPR: TWA eight zero one heavy, you're eight miles behind a heavy jet. Contact Kennedy Tower, one one niner point one. Thanks for the help.
2131:33 TWA 801: Okay, eight oh one roger and what's his ground... what's his airspeed, do you know?
2131:36 APPR: Ah, he's indicating ten knots slower, eight miles."
from: http://aviation-safety.net/investigation/cvr/transcripts/cvr_av052.php


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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 31):
That was my first instinct also, but if you read CVR and ATC transcripts, other aircraft are almost always referred to as "he"

Interesting, yet, isn't it possible that what the ATC and pilots are referring to as "he" is the other pilot inside the a/c?

Analogy: A male inside a automobile discussing a traffic light encounter: "I was stopped at the light, when he [another automobile] sped by me."

Historically, more males were pilots (although of course this is no longer true), and so this style of communication may have stuck?
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RE: Is An Aircraft "He" Or "She&quo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:25 am

Given the history, I'd say it's she.

I never really use gender pronouns on aircraft.
Most of the time, I will just use it.
My Dad uses she to refer to aircraft, boats, and the like.
That's what I grew up hearing, so that's what comes to mind.

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ERJ170, you are so dead.

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