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Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:34 am

Ok I'm sure this one gets beat to death alot, but i'm just rying to get opinions on who the best us legacy carrier is. -Ryan
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:37 am

Well, from a worldly perspective CO probably gets the best reviews. They still have pillows and blankets on planes, serves meals, and have a new fleet. Something that most other US airlines have been cutting back on for the past few years now.

However, American and Southwest also have very consistent products. So thats also a huge plus.

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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:38 am

This should be in Aviation Polls and Prefs.

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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:46 am

In order I prefer

1. NW
2. UA
3. DL
4. US
5. AA
6. CO

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 1):
They still have pillows and blankets on planes,

Most carriers still have blankets, the pillows are gone, hardly anyone used them.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 1):
serves meals

Only because they own the catering company, or they would be right there with everyone else.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 1):
and have a new fleet.

So what? New isn't always better.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 1):
Southwest also have very consistent products. So thats also a huge plus.

1. Southwest isn't a legacy carrier.

2. Yes southwest has a consistent product, dry peanuts and a mini-cup of soda with no can. Even NW gives you the freakin can.
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:50 am

There's another Airliners.net forum for these type of polls. Here's the link or use the drop down menu above:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...aviation_polls/index.main?rand=655
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:57 am

I rate CO as one and for LCC I give it to WN. I fly most weeks since 1998 and these two I'm very happy with. I will say that UA has made a major turn around and pleased with them. As has been the case I fly AA just to keep my FF miles and no comment. DL use to be a top notch carrier and not real happy and hope things get better. NW is cool and fly them often but get the feeling they cut it to the minimum but their people are top notch.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:31 am

I guess I'll vote CO. I've only flown them a few times, but they seemed to be on the ball and did a better job than most domestic carriers I've tried.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 1):
However, American and Southwest also have very consistent products.

You used American and consistent in the same sentence? Are we talking about the same airline here?

SRTC becomes MRTC becomes LRTC

free pillows becomes no pillows

free blankets becomes fewer blankets,

free food becomes no food becomes pay for food

full can becomes half a can becomes pay for a can becomes free half a can

Asia destination 1 becomes Asia destination 2 becomes no destination

DFW becomes DAL becomes DFW becomes DAL

I feel like I could just go on and on here. The only thing consistent about American Airlines is the inconsistency.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):

Most carriers still have blankets, the pillows are gone, hardly anyone used them.

Keep the number of pillows necessary for the few folks who used them and everyone would have been happy.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):

Only because they own the catering company, or they would be right there with everyone else.

So did many airlines before they spun them off. Thus, I'm not sure what you're really getting at.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
So what? New isn't always better.

All things being equal, and they certainly seem to be for many coach passengers on domestic US flights, most folks would probably prefer a newer plane to an older plane.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
Yes southwest has a consistent product, dry peanuts and a mini-cup of soda with no can. Even NW gives you the freakin can.

"Mini-cup?" It sure looks like the same size cup everyone else uses. "Dry peanuts?" Well, I'm sure glad they're not moist or soggy. I've flown most domestic carriers and I don't get bent out of shape over a half can vs. a full can. If I want the full can I'll ask for it and get it on any carrier I fly. When I've flown NW the cabin was so empty that I'm not one bit surprised they just handed over the whole can. Outside of NW's fortress hubs, they don't seem to be very popular in my view. If their only claim to fame is an extra half can of soda then I can see why.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:34 am

I'd say CO. I live about 45 miles away from IAH, but usually when we fly from IAH we're on UA. (Something that I am less than happy about.) From the times I have flown CO though, they have been very friendly, professional, and I enjoy their service.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
1. NW



Quoting Scintx (Reply 5):
NW is cool and fly them often but get the feeling they cut it to the minimum but their people are top notch.

I've never flown Northwest and it sounds like you guys fly them quite often. However, I've only heard okay reviews on Northwest. On our next trip, NW has fares that are lower than both CO and UA and we're wondering if we should fly NW. Would you recommend it? How is their overall service?
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 6):
When I've flown NW the cabin was so empty that I'm not one bit surprised they just handed over the whole can. Outside of NW's fortress hubs, they don't seem to be very popular in my view. If their only claim to fame is an extra half can of soda then I can see why.

NW is consistently near the top in load factors. I also don't understand this claim... NW is a hub and spoke carrier, so the vast majority of their flights have one of their "fortress hubs" on one end.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:43 am

Last Friday, NWA hit a record single day load factor of 93.5%. People do choose to fly NW that don't live in a frozen tundra state.  Wink
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 7):
NW has fares that are lower than both CO and UA and we're wondering if we should fly NW. Would you recommend it? How is their overall service?

NW has very nice hubs.. and they are pretty good at getting you there on time. These days, coach is coach... if paying an extra $50 to fly B6 so you can get blue potato chips and a little Television... then pay more.

However, NW is not significantly better/worse than any other legacy when it comes to in flight service. You'll get a beverage.. a full can.. and a snack box for $3. They will get you there on time (relative to the rest of the industry), and will take care of you on the ground. You'll also connect in a nice, easy to use, hub that has fewer delays when compared to ORD, ATL, NYC etc.

I would not hesitate to try NW, espescially since you've never experienced them. I have flown every legacy carrier more than once, and I've honestly only had a bad experience on UA. These days, coach is coach... it comes down to who gets you there on time, and who takes care of you on the ground.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 10):
I would not hesitate to try NW, espescially since you've never experienced them. I have flown every legacy carrier more than once, and I've honestly only had a bad experience on UA.

I 2nd that motion. I recently flew NW DCA-DTW-YUL-DTW-DCA.. and I got to say, they did one heck of a job. The DC9 was nicer than some airlines aircraft, well maintained, and not as loud & throbbing as some Airbus I have flown in. They offered the full beverage, and they got me to all my locations without falling out the sky. I was thoroughly pleased! And DTW was a hella nice facility. Even though it took me 7 days to taxi from the terminal to the runway in DTW, it was still an overall good experience.. I give it 2 thumbs up.

On the other hand, I too have flown UA 4 times in my 16 years of flying and have had nothing but bad experience. I have been put in the Rosa Parks section everytime I have flown, even though I was booked in the front of the plane. They offered no good service, no help, and loads of assitude.. but hopefully that has changed since they have exited BK.. I hope..
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 8):

NW is consistently near the top in load factors. I also don't understand this claim... NW is a hub and spoke carrier, so the vast majority of their flights have one of their "fortress hubs" on one end.

I'll try to explain it a little better. It's true that I don't fly NW much, but when I did they were nearly empty out of SAT. My view of their popularity doesn't just come from the load factor or total pax though. Rather, it comes mainly from talking to folks who have strong views on who they fly and from reading posts on forums like this one. Of course my view is probably skewed a bit simply because I live in TX and we already have three "hometown" airlines (AA/WN/CO) with much closer hubs.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:53 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 10):
However, NW is not significantly better/worse than any other legacy when it comes to in flight service.

If you're tall then they have the worst legroom I've ever seen. Seriously.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 10):
These days, coach is coach... if paying an extra $50 to fly B6 so you can get blue potato chips and a little Television... then pay more.

I don't agree with you there, bud. When we went to New York back in March, B6 was much cheaper than CO. We can fly out of IAH or AUS, because we live smack dab inbetween Houston and Austin. JetBlue was $189.00 O/W while CO was 712.00 R/T and DL was $312 R/T. It depends which routes (if they have a lot of competition) you fly on a legacy carrier to get decent fares. If you're in a less-saturated market the legacies will try to get as much money out of you as they can. (Like UA IAH-DEN-ASE) Although, this thread isn't about fare wars.

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 10):
However, NW is not significantly better/worse than any other legacy when it comes to in flight service. You'll get a beverage.. a full can.. and a snack box for $3. They will get you there on time (relative to the rest of the industry), and will take care of you on the ground. You'll also connect in a nice, easy to use, hub that has fewer delays when compared to ORD, ATL, NYC etc.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind giving NW a try. They sound like a decent airline. IFE doesn't mean a thing. If an airline with really good IFE had high fares, and then a carrier with little or no IFE had lower fares. I would take the carrier with little or no IFE. Can't wait to try NW.  Wink
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 12):
It's true that I don't fly NW much, but when I did they were nearly empty out of SAT.

While not statistically valid, my four segments between DTW-SAT-DTW were at least 80% full if not higher. I originated the trips at MHT, where they are the only legacy carrier, save for possibly UA, that flies mostly mainline equipment.
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:13 am

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 14):
I don't agree with you there, bud. When we went to New York back in March, B6 was much cheaper than CO. We can fly out of IAH or AUS, because we live smack dab inbetween Houston and Austin. JetBlue was $189.00 O/W while CO was 712.00 R/T and DL was $312 R/T.

Well, by all means.. pick the cheapest ticket.. espescially if they are that different. I only said that because it sounded like, in this case, NW was the cheapest. If you do indeed choose to buy a ticket with NW.. I would suggest trying to connect in DTW one way, and MEM the other... to get a good sampling of what NW offers.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting N801NW (Reply 15):
Quoting SATX (Reply 12):
It's true that I don't fly NW much, but when I did they were nearly empty out of SAT.

While not statistically valid, my four segments between DTW-SAT-DTW were at least 80% full if not higher. I originated the trips at MHT, where they are the only legacy carrier, save for possibly UA, that flies mostly mainline equipment.

I guess they're doing better then. My few flights on NW were mainline DC-9's with very light loads (below 50%). From what I've seen lately, UA is mainly RJ's in SAT while AA is still mainly MD-80's and CO is the only airline with anything larger than a 737/MD-80 on their scheduled services.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
Only because they own the catering company, or they would be right there with everyone else.

Is this true? I'm not doubting you but its just interesting.

Quoting SATX (Reply 6):
You used American and consistent in the same sentence? Are we talking about the same airline here?

No but understand that they're both consistent in different ways. I should have explained myself because i just got my head chewed off. American is consistent for a legacy carrier, IE: The seats are the same from aircraft to aircraft, the standard snack box is offered, IFE/video programming, Cleanliness of A/C, Terminal drab etc. American offers a very stable and consistent product from plane to plane. Whereas southwest is consistent in the way of an LCC, IE: all 737s, no seat numbers, seat patterns, On-Time Status etc.

Quoting SATX (Reply 6):
I feel like I could just go on and on here. The only thing consistent about American Airlines is the inconsistency.

And I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. I have flown over 15,000 miles on AA this year and thus far I have found very few inconsistent events. Here is one example: New seat covers on 757s. Between LAX-EWR and BOS-LAX on all of my 4 flights there were new seat covers installed. That is consistency of maintenance. Compare that to 2004 when there was hardly any.

Quoting SATX (Reply 6):
SRTC becomes MRTC becomes LRTC

free pillows becomes no pillows

free blankets becomes fewer blankets,

free food becomes no food becomes pay for food

full can becomes half a can becomes pay for a can becomes free half a can

Asia destination 1 becomes Asia destination 2 becomes no destination

DFW becomes DAL becomes DFW becomes DAL

Your talking about different cutbacks overtime. What I think the question was asking is if you were to fly on a few segments of one legacy carrier in the present, which would be the most consistent. This is not consistency as of TODAY. So paying for food on board is second nature nowadays. And AA started service recently to India from O'Hare so what are you talking about no destinations to Asia?

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
Most carriers still have blankets, the pillows are gone, hardly anyone used them.

I don't know about you man, but after 4 hours my back gets sore as hell and I need additional support. Especially on those CO 737s. Those new seats are as hard as rocks.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
So what? New isn't always better.

Well speaking for just the average traveler, who doesn't like a new plane? As for me, I'm not dying to fly on an NW DC-9.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
1. Southwest isn't a legacy carrier.

Yeah, but they're big enough to include into this discussion.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
2. Yes southwest has a consistent product, dry peanuts and a mini-cup of soda with no can. Even NW gives you the freakin can.

And its not a freakin' long way to the back of the plane to ask a F/A for another cuz of Dr. Pepper either   Plus you can stretch you're legs!

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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
Is this true? I'm not doubting you but its just interesting.

Continental does own a catering company. Unless Im dreaming, I think its name is Chelsea.

Anyway I would have to say Delta.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
for me, I'm not dying to fly on an NW DC-9.

Why not? There is nothing wrong with them. Might be one of the last times you get to do that.

I personally like NW, the price is always right, and I've flown exclusively on them or Airlink for the last 8 years. Maybe it's just that I don't know any different.

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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:36 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
Only because they own the catering company, or they would be right there with everyone else.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Yeah, if they didn't own a catering company, they'd be right there with everyone else. However, they do own their own catering company (Chelsea Catering), so your point is moot.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
So what? New isn't always better.

Right - I actually prefer the planes that are old, worn out, and dirty inside. Older is much better in this case. Forget about those modern CO planes with near-perfect condition interiors and IFE. I'll take an AA MD-80 any day over that...  sarcastic 
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 20):
Why not? There is nothing wrong with them. Might be one of the last times you get to do that.

I respect that. I'm really not a fan of the NW seats on the 9ers. NW does take good care of those birds but still I'm for the arguement of a new plane.

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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
The seats are the same from aircraft to aircraft

You must only fly short haul flights? Try going from a 777 to an MD-80 to an A300.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
the standard snack box is offered

This was only on certain flights when I last flew AA. I started giving up on them when MRTC became LRTC.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
IFE/video programming

777 = PTV

MD-80 = nothing

767 = some PTV, some not

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
American offers a very stable and consistent product from plane to plane.

I feel I can say with some authority that they are not very consistent at all.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
I have flown over 15,000 miles on AA this year and thus far I have found very few inconsistent events. Here is one example: New seat covers on 757s. Between LAX-EWR and BOS-LAX on all of my 4 flights there were new seat covers installed. That is consistency of maintenance. Compare that to 2004 when there was hardly any.

I've been flying AA on and off for over two decades and added 60,000 miles to my AAdvantage account in the last 18 months before I finally gave up on them in 2004.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
Your talking about different cutbacks overtime. What I think the question was asking is if you were to fly on a few segments of one legacy carrier in the present, which would be the most consistent. This is not consistency as of TODAY.

The most consistent US carrier in my view is WN. Of the legacy carriers only, it's probably CO.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
So paying for food on board is second nature nowadays.

Not on WN or CO.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
And AA started service recently to India from O'Hare so what are you talking about no destinations to Asia?

I keep hearing that they are dropping routes to Asia, like ORD/NGO and SJC/NRT for instance. India and China will probably pay off for AA, but if they don't AA just might drop them as quickly as they started them.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
Only because they own the catering company, or they would be right there with everyone else.

Is this true? I'm not doubting you but its just interesting.

It's true that CO owns Chelsea Food Services, but so does LH own LSG Sky Chefs. Other airlines once owned their catering operations as well before spinning them off.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 21):
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
Only because they own the catering company, or they would be right there with everyone else.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Yeah, if they didn't own a catering company, they'd be right there with everyone else. However, they do own their own catering company (Chelsea Catering), so your point is moot.

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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:56 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 23):
777 = PTV

MD-80 = nothing

767 = some PTV, some not

Again i see your point but its consistentcy between aircraft in the fleet. A Super 80 might have not have IFE but the seat design, panneling, and signage is the same on many. And on AA there are no PTVs on the 767s. BUT: They have the same consistentcy between seats. Then again you can't compare IFE between 5 year-old 777s and 20 year-old MD-80s.


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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 25):
And on AA there are no PTVs on the 767s.

That's odd. I guess they just wired some of them and then left the screens off?

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 25):
Then again you can't compare IFE between 5 year-old 777s and 20 year-old MD-80s.

You can when you're comparing AA to WN and CO, who tend to have a younger fleet.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:29 pm

my opinion is AA they have treated me the best.
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting AAden (Reply 27):
my opinion is AA they have treated me the best.

Who else have you flown?
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:43 pm

I recently flew CO from SEA to ANC in a nice new 738.
And get this, they served FREE food!
Not only that--it was hot!!
But wait, there's more--it tasted good!!!

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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:00 pm



No question, no comparison . . . .

No other US Legacy carrier can come close . . .

Not AA with their Less Room Throughout Coach.

Not NW with their NO Room Throughout Coach, oh and lousy cabin service.

Not UA with inconsitent cabin service.

Not DL with it's All Plastic F Cabin  sarcastic 

Not the old US with their ratty 767s.

Not HP, although, believe it or not . . . a close runner up.

The NEW US is too young to judge.

As far as I'm concerned - that's it for Legacy Carriers. WN doesn't count. AS doesn't count. F9, B6, AQ, HA: none of those count.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 2):
P.S. It's Delta Airlines for me, and always will be that way.

Yeah man! Delta all the way! DL, CO, and UA are the only legacies I'll fly anymore. I used to fly on NW sometimes, but the last four times I have, the service was horrible and the price was high. See ya NW. Hopefully they improve so I can fly them again.
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:28 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 13):
If you're tall then they have the worst legroom I've ever seen. Seriously.

Really? I'm 6'3'' and other than the Deisel 9s being a little cramped, I don't notice a real difference between then and other carriers. Their Airbuses are a little more comfortable.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
Well speaking for just the average traveler, who doesn't like a new plane? As for me, I'm not dying to fly on an NW DC-9.

Oh come on, the dc-9s aren't ANY worse than any 737 I've been on. Loud in the back, yeah. But that's why I love them! If the spool up of those old engines doesn't get your adrenaline flowing, I don't know what does. Although they average 35 years old, their interiors were completely redone a decade ago.

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 21):
Right - I actually prefer the planes that are old, worn out, and dirty inside. Older is much better in this case. Forget about those modern CO planes with near-perfect condition interiors and IFE. I'll take an AA MD-80 any day over that...

Rediculous, incorrect statement. The only valid point it carries is about the IFE. The condition of the interior is whatever the airline makes it. I've flown on a 1 hour flight in a Dc-9 that was in better condition than the subsequent 4 hour A320 flight.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 30):
See ya NW. Hopefully they improve so I can fly them again

Sorry to hear that. My advice: don't write them off yet. I've flown NW every summer for about five years and they've always been great. I also had a HORRIBLE experience with Delta where the gate agent was a big time B---- and the FAs were rude. I won't say I'll never fly them again though, bad experiences happen on every airline.


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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:31 pm

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 32):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 30):
See ya NW. Hopefully they improve so I can fly them again

Sorry to hear that. My advice: don't write them off yet. I've flown NW every summer for about five years and they've always been great. I also had a HORRIBLE experience with Delta where the gate agent was a big time B---- and the FAs were rude. I won't say I'll never fly them again though, bad experiences happen on every airline.

A-Nets infamous quote malfunction strikes again . . . .

I didn't say that Ward86IND . . . SkyMileMan did, in Reply #31.

I do concur with his assessment however . . . NW cabin service is lacking . . .
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:40 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
A-Nets infamous quote malfunction strikes again . . . .

Dammit!! Always happens to me! Wait, did it work...
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N801NW
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:51 pm

ANC: Is your complaint about NW cabin service about what (little?) is offered of how it's offered? My personal experience with them, ground and air, has been fine. I will admit to being nervous the first time I flew them as they do have a certain reputation. I can't comment on CO as I have not flown them, yet.
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:22 pm

As I was reading the thread, and thinking about what everyone has said, it seems to me that "best" has a lot to do with the carriers' service to your local airport. Since I live in Tucson, service level is important.
For legacy carriers-American has frequent, all mainline service to DFW and Chicago. I chose them for a summer trip SMF-ORD-TUS based on the evening non-stop from ORD to TUS.
 
ANCFlyer
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:41 pm

Quoting N801NW (Reply 35):
ANC: Is your complaint about NW cabin service about what (little?) is offered of how it's offered?

Yes . . . to both.

I will however, compliment them on the way they take care of my daughter . . . she flies up here 2-3 times a year as a UM and with a single exception (BHM) never, ever had a problem with their UM program.

As to your question: I find the F/As generally indifferent, the menu selection to be non-descript and wanting in quality and quantity (and I'm talking about F from ANC-MSP or visa versa), the F cabin to be generally substandard compared to UA or CO domestic.
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:42 am

United, of course.

1. Free audio on all flights, free video on flights over three hours. (And the movies are shown on United before they hit video.

2. Cobranding. I can depend on United to offer all my favorite products. Pepsi, Starbucks, and NBC Inflight.

3. Always get the whole can. Always. No questions asked. They never even open it, they just hand it to me with a cup of ice.

4. United's exclusive "From The Flightdeck" audio.

5. A United Snackbox, if I'm hungry. They're shelf-stable so if I can't finish it I can take it to my hotel. Can't do that with a sandwich. And what other airline offers *four* selections?

6. No automatic upgrading of elite members. This means I can buy a First Class seat within 72 hours of departure. Members have to pick and choose how they want to use their E-upgrades, meaning there are more F seats available for those who really want them.

7. A priority tag on a First Class bag actually means something.

8. Hemispheres Magazine is actually worth reading.

9. Clean Pillow and blanket on flights. On overnight flights new, clean blanket in plastic wrap provided.

10. Flight attendants take union break after first service and then actually go back to work walking through with water/juice/coffee.

11. Only carrier other than HP/US out of ANC that isn't in bed with Alaska Airlines. Go anti-trust!

12. United Economy Plus. Legroom even when I can't upgrade.

[Edited 2006-06-03 23:43:06]
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:11 am

I kind of have 2 favorite legacies, for 2 different criteria, and this agrees with a lot of what was said above:

1. CO for their modern fleet, cabin service that's a cut above the rest, food and generally-friendly FA's.

2. NW for their reliability (in my experience and at the airports I use) and user-friendly hubs. Yes, their cabin service is, I think, weaker than CO or DL, but at the end of the day the most important factor for me is getting there ON TIME. Also, their first-class product, although in my opinion weaker than CO or DL, is a heck of a lot cheaper, and I'm usually up there for the space, not the food.
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:08 pm

Quoting ForeverUnited (Reply 38):
7. A priority tag on a First Class bag actually means something.

Bull.

I fly UA - and I fly F - paid F, not upgraded . . . and the last three trips on UA my bags were properly marked (although I had to remind the agent once) and it wouldn't have mattered if the damn things were gold plated . . . . once they came off last! Priority tag my ass.

Quoting ForeverUnited (Reply 38):
5. A United Snackbox, if I'm hungry.

Still haven't seen on of those . . . on the last two trips I've taken (within the last 6 months), they were conveniently "forgotten" by the caterers in DEN. So, tell me what do they look like? What's in them? How does one come to obtain the elusive "Snack Box"? Is there a picture I can see to have a reference in case one comes my way one day???

Quoting ForeverUnited (Reply 38):

4. United's exclusive "From The Flightdeck" audio.

BIG Plus . . . if the seat you're in isn't broken. Please see me trip report from January. No Ch 9 for the return trip. Broken 1A seat DEN-SEA and broken 1E seat SEA-ANC.

Quoting ForeverUnited (Reply 38):
11. Only carrier other than HP/US out of ANC that isn't in bed with Alaska Airlines.

Is F9 sleeping with AS now?????
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:37 pm

My order goes

1. AA
2. NW
3 CO
4. US
5. DL
6. UA
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:15 am

Of the legacy airlines I've flown:

1. DL (Terrific service and it was a domestic red-eye! Nice new interior as well)
2. CO (Friendly crew and a terrific aircraft, but the flight was too short for meal service, which could have put CO on top in my book, but it didn't happen)
3. The new US (In my opinion, the service is similar to NW, but F/As are slightly happier and the flight had IFE)
4. NW (I still like NW and fly them the most often, but nothing special really. But no complaints either.)
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 13):
If you're tall then they have the worst legroom I've ever seen. Seriously.

Seems to be the same as everyone else 31-32", you would never make it Europe with a standard 28" so everyone complaining about US carriers leg room, get over it.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
Well speaking for just the average traveler, who doesn't like a new plane? As for me, I'm not dying to fly on an NW DC-9.

Most people dont know how old the plane is, one time in Atlanta, some guy was telling some co workers that he saw the plane was built in 1994 (this was in 2000).

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 21):
Right - I actually prefer the planes that are old, worn out, and dirty inside. Older is much better in this case. Forget about those modern CO planes with near-perfect condition interiors and IFE

Just because a plane is old doesn't mean that its "worn out" the NW DC-9 interiors look just as good as a brand new 717.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 30):
Not NW with their NO Room Throughout Coach,

BS:

CO 752 FC= 38" seat with 20.75" NW FC= 37" with 21" width

CO 752 Coach= 31" with 17.2" width NW Coach= 31-33" with 17.2" Width

CO 753 FC (24 seater)= 38" with 20.75" width NW FC=37" with 21" width

CO 753 EC= 32" with 17.2" width NW=30-32" with 17.2" Width

I used those two as an example because its the only similar plane in each fleet and the both come to ANC with those.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 37):
As to your question: I find the F/As generally indifferent, the menu selection to be non-descript and wanting in quality and quantity (and I'm talking about F from ANC-MSP or visa versa), the F cabin to be generally substandard compared to UA or CO domestic.

I got a lot more food as a "snack" on NW FC from MSP-DEN, then what I got on UA in Biz as a "dinner" DEN-SFO.

Quoting ForeverUnited (Reply 38):
5. A United Snackbox, if I'm hungry. They're shelf-stable so if I can't finish it I can take it to my hotel. Can't do that with a sandwich. And what other airline offers *four* selections?

So are NW's shelf stable. NW also has four different snack boxes.
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:52 am

1. CO
2. UA
3. AA
4. NW
5. DL
6. US (Had a very bad experience with HP)
Uhhh What?
 
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RE: Best Us Legacy Carrier

Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 32):
Oh come on, the dc-9s aren't ANY worse than any 737 I've been on. Loud in the back, yeah. But that's why I love them! If the spool up of those old engines doesn't get your adrenaline flowing, I don't know what does. Although they average 35 years old, their interiors were completely redone a decade ago.

I like how your loyal to them. I admit I have a soft spot for the AA Super 80s too. But in all honesty, what is up with those seats on those 9ers?

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