OhBoyIFly
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Turbulence

Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:31 pm

Hi all, Im sure this subject has been touched on here many times, im still new to the forum so excuse me if its an old subject. Anyway here goes.
You guessed it my biggest fear in flying is hitting turbulence. Example earlier this week coming in from NCL to CPH on a small 2 by 2 plane we hit some of the worst turbulence I have had in years. The guy next to me turned as white as I did. We were warned in advanace that it was going to be "bumpy" as we were landing, but this really beat the biscut. The plane seemed to swing wildly from left to right, I almost cra+++ed myself. Question is how dangerous is turbulence ? I read all the time that planes are built to withstand this kind of thing ... when I was sat on that plane (small 2 by 2 Cimber Air flight) it felt very frail like I was in a Lego Built plane. I have to fly alot and usually love it until we hit bad weather. Any imput would be appreciated. Thanks  Smile
 
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RE: Turbulence

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:55 pm

don't worry mate... its all good!!!
I've heard that ABOUT 98% of crashes happen during take off and landing... so don't worry about it to much.

my mum HATES turbulence she grabs onto the armrest and puts all her wait against the back of the seat... she gets mean as scared.

Try to fly on the new 787... new technology, should cut down on turbulence!!  Smile (just watch now I'll have people telling me its not really new technology Wink) but at any rate I wouldn't get to worried about it, I just listen to music and think about other stuff.
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RE: Turbulence

Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:48 pm

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 1):
(just watch now I'll have people telling me its not really new technology Wink)

I'm not gonna tell you it's not new technology, I'm going to tell you that Mr. OhBoyIFly here probably wants to go flying before 2010  Smile

I also think about the wings of the plane, when it hit's turbulence, how they are so flexible. But I think that if you learn how the plane is build up, your fear will go away, cause you will se how strong the aircraft really is.

And also look at some tests, how much they can handle. I don't know that kind of information, but it's nothing that a search on google won't find.
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RE: Turbulence

Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:04 pm

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 2):
but it's nothing that a search on google won't find.

I did so and one of the first hits is:

"Aircraft lost its wings and tail"
http://planenews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3058

Ooops ...  Smile
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RE: Turbulence

Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:15 pm

You really know to post the right things, to get fear to dissappear, don't you  Smile

That's why it's nice to fly aircrafts which you know have been testet through decades, and have had very few mecanical failures.
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RE: Turbulence

Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:21 pm

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 2):
I'm not gonna tell you it's not new technology, I'm going to tell you that Mr. OhBoyIFly here probably wants to go flying before 2010

hehehe, true.

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 2):
I also think about the wings of the plane, when it hits turbulence, how they are so flexible. But I think that if you learn how the plane is build up, your fear will go away, cause you will See how strong the aircraft really is.

Its good if the wings flex!!! and it seems that the A340 wings bounce up and down in turbulence alot.
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RE: Turbulence

Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:31 pm

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 4):
get fear to dissappear

To be honest ...
It's not so easy to find a turbulence-related report that doesn't begin or end up with a plain (unfounded) horror scenario in the internet.
Finally here is a good one:

http://www.blogsouthwest.com/2006/06/08/turbulence/

OhBoyIFly, I hope that you'll enjoy your flights at any time.

 Smile  Smile
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RE: Turbulence

Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:28 pm

i used to be somewhat afraid of it, but flying is so ruitine for me now that bad thoughts dont even cross my mind. i am more worried about the people coming to pick me up, or my car battery being dead in the parking lot than the plane.

and besides, its all out of your hands at that point, whats going to happen is going to happen, weather or not you worry about it or not.
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RE: Turbulence

Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:50 am

Welcome to A.net! My dad, who was a pilot, explained it to me this way when I was a kid. I hope it's a good analogy.

Imagine you're riding in a small sports car with very stiff suspension with your eyes closed. You swear it feels like the driver is off the road or climbing every kerb in sight. Then you open your eyes and see that those bumps are just normal expansion joints and little cracks in the road. Now imagine you're riding on the same road in a lorry. You don't feel all the bumps. The ones you do feel are bearly noticeable.

When you're riding in the sports car and don't have perspective of the size of the bumps, they feel huge. When you're flying in a small airplane, you feel more turbulence and it feels terrible. But, when you're flying in a larger aircraft, like a 737 or A320, the same turbulence doesn't feel as bad. In a 747 or A380, you feel it even less.

As others have said, airplanes are built to be tough. Those 747 wing tips may be flapping up and down 20 feet and you swear they're going to break off. Actually, those wings are designed to safely move an additional 20 feet before failing.

IIRC, you can count on your fingers the total number of times a commercial aircraft has crashed due to turbulence.

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RE: Turbulence

Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:02 am

Turbulence is not dangerous in most situations. It can cause problems if people don't keep their seat belt fasten, especially when they are not following the guidlines of the safety seat belt sign.

As far as small planes go, I used to be afraid of turbulence. I was nervous at first during my private pilot training in a Cessna 172. My instructor knew this and tried to convince me that the plane wants to fly level and straight and that it will. Yes you will get bounced around, but the plane will correct itself. However it is hard to convince you of that. I'm an engineer, but still I can relate to your feelings that a small plane seems very weak. Afterall it is lighter than even some very small cars at only 2500lbs.

But my instructor finally did something to cure me of my anxiety. We were flying near some ridges on a hot sunny afternoon, so he knew it would be very turbulent. And then he took his hands off the controls. He just sat there while we were getting bounced around and did nothing to prevent or correct it. It must have only been a minute or two, but it felt like an eternity. But we kept flying straight. The plane was fine, and after feeling very uncomfortable, I realized that we were fine. So after that turbulence didn't bother me much. I hate falling and still hate performing stalls even though I am very competent at performing them and recovering, but turbulence isn't very scary. The plane is designed to handle it and it can. Those airplanes can take a whole lot more than your body can. And that is true from everything from a Cessna 152 to a 747.
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RE: Turbulence

Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:51 am

Turbulence used to scare the crap out of me, especially on takeoff and in flight. but i read this book called "Everything you ever wanted to know about Flying" and it really helped, now i love turbulence especially on landing, it is so much fun and makes a long flight less boring.
 
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RE: Turbulence

Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:04 pm

Hello all, thanks for the replies, I think it was just that 1 bad flight I had last week which really make me uneasy, aint felt that for years. Its not (and cant) stop me from flying which i normally really enjoy. - )
 
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RE: Turbulence

Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:05 pm

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 2):

Well it will be good when it arrives, and yep I have a few more flights I need to take before 2010  Wink
 
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RE: Turbulence

Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:08 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 8):

Thats a good way of putting it AsstChiefMark , I should read over that next time we hit the bumps, I think also it is because we kind of fly blind, we cant see whats ahead of us, only whats to the left and right. I remember doing some BA short haul flights that had live video from the front cockpit view, made all the difference. Good one though thanks
 
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RE: Turbulence

Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting StrasserB (Reply 6):

That was a really good read StrasserB, I also imagine that the pilots are sat their fighting with the controls when we hit Turbulence. Cheers  Smile
 
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RE: Turbulence

Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:40 am

Quote:
I should read over that next time we hit the bumps.

I was worried about turbulence until the day I went to see the Eurofighter structural test fuselage in its "torture chamber" at IAGB in Ottobrunn/Munich. The hydraulic pistons were bending the entire airframe and wings to and fro by up to two feet, and had been for a thousand hours. It sounded really horrible: grooooan-taktaktak-grooooan-taktaktak...
Of course a fighter is not an airliner, but the fatigue they can take is similar.

If a plane had to flap its wings to fly, like a bird, it structurally could, so don't worry about turbulence.
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RE: Turbulence

Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:27 am

That is nice to hear!

Although, I'm wondering about how the wings are mounted to the fuselage. Are the wings connected to eachother through the fuselage?
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RE: Turbulence

Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:28 am

I was also scared sh*tless the first few times I flew coz of the turbbulence. The more I flew, the less I became scared and eventually, I don't even think about it anymore now that I fly twice a week. I just think it's something you out-grow eventually.
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RE: Turbulence

Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:28 pm

The wings wont just "pop" off. And even if they do come off in flight, just be satisfied with the idea that you wont be alive much longer to be afraid of that.

Modern jets of today are built to withstand way worse turbulence than you have experienced. If the turbulence level was at even 80% of what the plane can withstand, it would most likely cause alot more harm to your body that it would to the plane.

In most cases, turbulence isnt dangerous at all. But in some cases, it can be very dangerous, like if a plane flys under a strong downdraft. But technology exists today that lets pilots avoid that kind of trouble.
 
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RE: Turbulence

Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:16 am

Quote:
Although, I'm wondering about how the wings are mounted to the fuselage. Are the wings connected to eachother through the fuselage?

No, the usual design is the "wingbox", a structure built of a large number of different parts that sits in the middle of the fuselage. It is a "box" so it is comparatively stiff in all three dimensions and lightweight at the same time. The structural parts that build the wings are extensions of the wingbox. A structural engineer could explain this better, of course.

If you've ever wondered why the "old fashioned" method of assembling parts with rivets is still used for aircraft, it's because they allow the adjacent parts to move a bit in relation to each other, making the airframe flexible.
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RE: Turbulence

Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:48 am

If you're worried about turbulence causing planes to crash, then don't watch a particular scene in the movie "The Day After Tomorrow".

But as everyone else has said, its not a problem for the airplane. My first flight was in a Cessna 172 along the beach and the turbulence there was horrible, much more pronounced then in a large airliner. It was like being in an aluminum can being kicked and tossed around, but it didn't bother me, so airline sized planes and turbulence, I don't really even notice it.
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RE: Turbulence

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:00 am

On a related note, it's not a great day to be flying over North Dakota, Montana or the southern tip of Louisiana:

http://adds.aviationweather.gov/data/pireps/pireps_US_TB.gif


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RE: Turbulence

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:11 pm

I`ve bounced around pretty good flying out of MCO and TPA over the years, especially during those great summer months. I enjoy the feel of flying, grew up with tail-draggers. Smooth flights bore me.
 
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RE: Turbulence

Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:33 pm

Hi!

On the 7th. July 2006 when I was on my way from EWR to BOG and close to BOG our captain said that we needed to "buckle up" because we were going to pass a heavy turbulence area...soon our 737-700 started to "shake" all over, every screw and bolt "shaked" I'm sure, then I looked outside it was a very dark night but suddenly the lightnings were so big that for a 1 or 2 seconds it was day like I was in a desert.....pretty interesting. A young colombian lady that was by my side was speechless until we landed. Then I asked if she was ok and she said that after we had to be grounded at EWR due to a problem in one of the engines and after that heavy thunderstorm she was affraid that our plane was gonna crash!!!!
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RE: Turbulence

Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:01 am

The only things I'm afraid of in an airplane are spinning and stalling with the autopilot on. (Those who use FS2004 know what I mean...)
Turbulence is really fun though! It's like riding on a rollercoaster, more or less.
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RE: Turbulence

Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:30 am

I'm not scared of turbulance at all. I've flown on aircraft my entire life, so I'm used to it. Well as long as I don't see pieces of the aircraft trailing behind us during turbulance (or ever for that matter) I'm fine.  Wink
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RE: Turbulence

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:33 am

May I suggest the search button? Anyways, a good tip when you are going through turbulence is to not sit back on your seat or hold the armrests. This will just cause your body to go in sync with the turbulence. The only thing that should be in contact with the seat is your butt. This will eliminate your body from going with the turbulence because your body naturaly wants to stay erect, this will eliminate some of the turbulence your body feels. Just bring both your hands forward and hold the bottom of your seat at crotch area.
 
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RE: Turbulence

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:01 am

Most funny I have seen whas when some chield were laughing during a big turbulense, then the grown up men and girls just relaxed
 
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RE: Turbulence

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:30 am

Have any of those posters saying "I love turbulence...", "...it's a laugh...", "...turb is great fun.." etc really ever experienced severe turbulence?? I doubt it. I have and it's neither fun nor a great laugh.
Baggage bins flying open, bags ricocheting around the cabin, people not strapped in hitting the ceiling like ragdolls, altitude uncontrollable to within +/- 800ft and IAS varying by 40 or 50 kts. All this at night over the Pacific and hours from land.

I'm happy enough to admit that I hate turbulence, especially in larger aircraft.

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RE: Turbulence

Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:41 am

Turbulence is a part of flying. The only big danger that turbulence presents is Clear Air Turbulence (CAT). This turbulence cannot be picked up on radar. A quick search on google should give you more information about this phanomenon. My cousin , who used to work for CE (Nationwide , South Africa) as an F/A , experienced CAT while flying between CPT and DUR. The 737-200 dropped 3000ft from FL320 to FL290. The pilots recovered the aircraft safely but unfortunately , my cousin who was working in the aisle , suffered a neck injury. This injury has prevented her from continuing as an F/A and had to take early retirement.

So , turbulence mostly ins't threatening to the state of the aircraft , but as someone mentioned , it will probably cause more harm to you than the aircraft. Whenever I travel , I always keep my seatbelt fastened throughout the flight. And no , I'm not afraid of turbulence and have no fear of flying at all.  Wink

So , buckle up and enjoy the ride  Smile

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RE: Turbulence

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 28):
I'm happy enough to admit that I hate turbulence, especially in larger aircraft

i agree i like turbulence in small A/C way better, give me a dash 8 or a 737 and bring 'er on!!!! and yes i have been in severe turbulence twice, once in flight and once on approach(s).
 
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RE: Turbulence

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 30):
i have been in severe turbulence twice, once in flight and once on approach(s).

See, I don't know what severe turbulence is. Maybe what I think is bad, really isn't so bad, or maybe what I feel is bad, really is bad. I think the worst for me was on approach into Ohare. It wasn't, bumpy, like going over a rough road, it was airplane swaying in every which direction. Then on my next flight, I heard the ATC man caution the pilot for heavy turbulance, which I did not feel was too bad, although it was on a 777, which might have reduced the turbulance.
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RE: Turbulence

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:38 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 31):

the only reason i knew was because in both instances the pilot told us

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