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Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:55 pm

Ok past and present, what airplanes/airlines have had huge first class sections?

Past-
Americans 747-100s 66 First Class Seats

Present-
Concorde 99 First Class Seats.


others?
 
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:57 pm

For narrowbodies, the UA p.s. aircraft have 12F/26C. US Airways A321s and Delta ex-Song 752s have 26F.
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:59 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 1):
For narrowbodies, the UA p.s. aircraft have 12F/26C. US Airways A321s and Delta ex-Song 752s have 26F.

Cool,

AA's DC10s had any where from 34-44 First Class seats. Originally they had 44, then went down to 34, then up to 36.
 
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:07 pm

Delta 747s had 70 F and 300 Y this includes the upper deck seat which could be used during takeoffs and landings. Delta's DC 8 51s had 36F 99Y which also included the 6 seats in the forward "lounge" area which was always sold and assigned. DC 9 14s had 28F and 45Y which for a plane of its size was quite a few.
 
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:12 pm

The question is a little vague. First class can mean a number of things from a deluxe sleeper bed/cabin on some intercontinental flights to seat that is not much more than an economy one on a short haul flight. Also, first class has changed over time, so those 66 seats on a 747 on AA were probably not much more than a premium economy seat today. Concorde had 100 seats, but while they were not first class in dimension, the service was above and beyond.

In terms of proportion of the available cabin space, first class had its peak in the 1950's and 1960's when whole aircraft like Britannias or Constellations could be configured in a 100% first class configuration. The original configurations for the 707/727 often had over half the floor space devoted to first class.

One also has to look at the likes of Maxjet, EOS and the other all premium carriers flying the Atlantic. Who can forget MGM Grand Air either on the glamourous LAX-JFK flights?

Maybe you could refine the question. Are you talking floor space, proportion of passengers or simply over numbers of passengers flying up front?
 
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:24 pm

In the early to mid 70's, Western Airlines had 46 seats in it's DC10 F-Class. Out of YVR, the aircraft was used to LAX and HNL. Later on, they reduced it to 26 seats, with a kind of table in the centre part, with facing chairs to make kind of a lounge. Sorry I can't describe that better, it is soooo long ago. I think, even in the latter years of the L1011, Delta had about 40 F-Class seats.
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:52 pm

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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:53 pm

United had a B747-422 fleet configured in 173C IIRC.
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
Present-
Concorde 99 First Class Seats.

LAst time I saw a concord it was sitting in a museum  Wink so I would put it under past, plus the seats them selves weren't First class sty;e, althuogh the service was. (never got to try it myself, but know some one who did) BA had a deal going when the concord was retiring that you could fly the concord one way and first class on a normal jet the other way.

Virgin Atlantic A340s have up to 48 upper class seats, although these are a "business class seat," not First class.
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:12 pm

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 7):
United had a B747-422 fleet configured in 173C IIRC.

You might be thinking of the current 73C configuration, which still takes up the entire upper deck and a good chunk of the forward lower.
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:21 pm

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 8):
LAst time I saw a concord it was sitting in a museum so I would put it under past, plus the seats them selves weren't First class sty;e, althuogh the service was

Exactly my thoughts when I saw the AF Concorde at Sinsheim ... those seats barely pass for premium economy these days, never mind J or F. Premium "first-class" travel has come a long way since Concorde first flew.
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:29 pm

AC flew 74Es with 63 Executive First/199 Y during certain periods.
 
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:39 pm

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
Concorde 99 First Class Seats.

Concorde, whilst a magnificent aircraft which I flew on a couple of occasions did not have what I would call a "First Class" seat. Comfortable as it was for the short 3hr trip across the pond it was too small to be called a true first class seat. The aircraft, food etc was however first class.
 
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:45 pm

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
Present-
Concorde 99 First Class Seats.

Hardly Present!!!!

The yesteryear and present First Class cannot be compared on even keel as well.
 
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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:05 pm

JAL has 747s that are almost entirely First/Business class. Only the very back of the bus is Economy. I think United and Northwest also had similar configurations.

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RE: Airplanes With Huge First Class

Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:15 am

Well of course you have to first identify what is a true first class product. The problem is that often a business class product is called first class in two class configurations.

US domestic is an obvious area where what is called First is most definitely not First in the true sense of the word. It is exactly the same as what European operators call business class.

On long haul flights, many airlines with only a two class product refer to the premium product as First class when the reality is it is the equivalent of other carriers business class - Air Canada was mentioned above, they have a business class product not a first class product on long haul.

It can even vary within an airline itself. In my old IATA days, Continental used to report their monthly international traffic stats to me. On their Transatlantic routes their premium traffic was reported as business class, yet on their South american routes it was reported as First class, despite the product being identical for both regions !!
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